List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

[Keys]

Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Increasingly keen on Hewett, less enthused by Ginbey as a midfielder. At #8 there is potentially so much talent (McKenzie, Phillipou, Humphrey) that we shouldn't be taking a punt on Ginbey being able to suddenly add 10 extra disposals to his output at the elite level (+50% on his current production).

In the 20s I'm also not too keen to be grabbing kids who didn't even get an invite to the national draft combine(like Kaleb Smith as per knightmare's mock draft). 67 kids got invited to the national combine, we have 2 x picks in the 20s, and we're going for a kid outside of those 67? Come on!

It's not a West Coast draft if we don't pluck a random from nowhere with a ? as their profile picture on the draft tracker website!

 

[DanWCE]

Ginbey can't be that shit if he won WA MVP being thrown into a new position. And that's rating his performance against the other best mids in the country.

He also turned 18 last month, so he's a bit younger than others he would've been up against.

I haven't seen any footage but there's a reason he's bolting up the ranks and I'm sure the analysis runs deeper than counting his possessions on a stat sheet.

 

[DanWCE]

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Gin bee or Gee bin?

 

[Keys]

Gin bee or Gee bin?

Bingee

 

[Keys]

Ginbey can't be that s**t if he won WA MVP being thrown into a new position. And that's rating his performance against the other best mids in the country.

He also turned 18 last month, so he's a bit younger than others he would've been up against.

I haven't seen any footage but there's a reason he's bolting up the ranks and I'm sure the analysis runs deeper than counting his possessions on a stat sheet.

I’d be more worried if he was only getting linked to us. Admittedly, it is mostly us but there’s often a qualifier on if he lasts to our pick 8 or the clubs immediately after our pick 8 are raised as a possibility

Doesn’t necessarily make him the best choice but it wouldn’t be a howler if we did take him. Assuming we take Hewett, a legitimate mid, at 12 then that’s a good pairing of picks worth taking the risk of trading down for

 

[DanWCE]

I’d be more worried if he was only getting linked to us. Admittedly, it is mostly us but there’s often a qualifier on if he lasts to our pick 8 or the clubs immediately after our pick 8 are raised as a possibility

Doesn’t necessarily make him the best choice but it wouldn’t be a howler if we did take him. Assuming we take Hewett, a legitimate mid, at 12 then that’s a good pairing of picks worth taking the risk of trading down for

Theres been some chatter Ginners might be off the board by 8 so absolutely it's not like we'd be reaching based on general consensus.

And given how he performed when moved into the middle, I suspect there's a consideration of untapped potential and high ceiling much like there is with Poo. WA plugged a HBF into the midfield and he won the MVP. That's Yeo-like trajectory which seems to be getting people excited.

I'm not going to melt as hard as others if we take him, but I'd definitely want more of a sure thing at 12. Hewetts got a good body of work, he's a safe pick there.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I just love that all the talk is of a HBF with midfield potential with our first pick, when there will be legitimate midfield options still available.

 

[dinnaz]

Wait, i just googled Ginbey's stats.

Is he seriously a proposed midfielder based on the following stats? If you can't find the ball consistently pre-draft, you're not going to all of a sudden become a prolific ball winner at AFL level. Unless i'm missing some games where racked it up this is absolutely yuck, do not want, no matter what his athletic profile is.

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His colts game whee he kicked 2 goals was handy enough. However you are spot on that he just doesn't do enough. Is like SPP where he is strong to break tackles but thats hardly a reason to draft someone with so many flaws in their game.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I think a lot of us on here are weary after the whole "HBF with midfield potential" strategy we've often employed. When we've got pick 8 at a point in the draft where there is still a lot of genuine midfielders, it scares us posters that ROB may be trying to be a bit too clever.

 

[dinnaz]

Ginbey can't be that s**t if he won WA MVP being thrown into a new position. And that's rating his performance against the other best mids in the country.

He also turned 18 last month, so he's a bit younger than others he would've been up against.

I haven't seen any footage but there's a reason he's bolting up the ranks and I'm sure the analysis runs deeper than counting his possessions on a stat sheet.

WA were shit. On par with the Allies team who only realistically get 3-4 players drafted all to the Northern Academies mid to late draft

 

[dinnaz]

I’d be more worried if he was only getting linked to us. Admittedly, it is mostly us but there’s often a qualifier on if he lasts to our pick 8 or the clubs immediately after our pick 8 are raised as a possibility

Doesn’t necessarily make him the best choice but it wouldn’t be a howler if we did take him. Assuming we take Hewett, a legitimate mid, at 12 then that’s a good pairing of picks worth taking the risk of trading down for

Honestly though, it looks like we might make moves on Ed Allan at 8/12. Such a West Coast pick.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Theres been some chatter Ginners might be off the board by 8 so absolutely it's not like we'd be reaching based on general consensus.

And given how he performed when moved into the middle, I suspect there's a consideration of untapped potential and high ceiling much like there is with Poo. WA plugged a HBF into the midfield and he won the MVP. That's Yeo-like trajectory which seems to be getting people excited.

I'm not going to melt as hard as others if we take him, but I'd definitely want more of a sure thing at 12. Hewetts got a good body of work, he's a safe pick there.

Poo isn't untapped though, he has delivered.

Weren't WA a bit crap overall? Not sure being MVP of a weak group is all it's made out to be. Only averaged 21 touches at that level as well.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

1. Ashcroft (Brisbane)
2. Cadman (GWS)
3. Wardlaw (Norf)
4. Sheezel (Norf)
5. Tsatas (Essendon)
6. Hollands (GC)
7. McKenzie (Hawthorn) - McKenzie feels like a Mitchell type with good disposal
8. Clark (Geelong)
9. ?? (WCE)

Leaves us with Humphrey and Phillipou available here, both with proven ball winning and goal kicking ability.

If Hawks grab Humphrey, GC go Busslinger (they don't need more mids), or there's a genuine surprise selection as per WCE_phil hints, the potential slider to our pick makes it even harder to justify Duggan Jr Ginbey.

 

[dajesmac]

It's not a West Coast draft if we don't pluck a random from nowhere with a ? as their profile picture on the draft tracker website!

If they’re as good as Hough I’m happy with it every year

 

[Keys]

I just love that all the talk is of a HBF with midfield potential with our first pick, when there will be legitimate midfield options still available.

I think a lot of us on here are weary after the whole "HBF with midfield potential" strategy we've often employed. When we've got pick 8 at a point in the draft where there is still a lot of genuine midfielders, it scares us posters that ROB may be trying to be a bit too clever.

Of the players talked of being available at our pick I think Clark and Mackenzie, maybe Hollands also, are the genuine mids. Clark and Mackenzie are likely to go before 8 with Hollands a chance to be taken by Gold Coast

Now if it falls that way the choices other than Ginbey are :
• Humphrey - more a high half forward and has questions on his disposal
• Busslinger - KPD
• Phillipou - more a mid than Ginbey but I’ve still read doubts on whether he’s a mid or a forward

Ginbey is a risk in that he hasn’t proven a capacity to be a high production mid but he does have a big body and pace. Handy attributes that we lack. Also seems to have a genuine competitive streak/bit of campaigner to him as well

 

[Keys]

Honestly though, it looks like we might make moves on Ed Allan at 8/12. Such a West Coast pick.

Thought we were considering Allan at 20, not as early as 12

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Sydney apparently very keen on Humphrey.
If he was available at our pick 9, and Sydney offered 15 + 17, would we do it? Maybe a ports F2 going back to Sydney or something just to make it more realistic.

Go to the draft with 12 (Hewett), 15 (Hustwaite), 17 (Hotton), 20 (Ed Allan), 26 (Keeler)?

 

[FKASC]

Still 39 sleeps worth of this shit

 

[Hook461123]

Sydney apparently very keen on Humphrey.
If he was available at our pick 9, and Sydney offered 15 + 17, would we do it? Maybe a ports F2 going back to Sydney or something just to make it more realistic.

Go to the draft with 12 (Hewett), 15 (Hustwaite), 17 (Hotton), 20 (Ed Allan), 26 (Keeler)?

God I hope not.
Imagine finishing 2nd last with 2 wins and not picking until 13 in the draft

 

[WCErevival]

Still 39 sleeps worth of this s**t

Only 3 sleeps for De Goey

 

[Keys]

Still 39 sleeps worth of this s**t

*38

Might run a poll on how many posts this thread gets to by draft day

 

[dinnaz]

Thought we were considering Allan at 20, not as early as 12

You don't know if O'Briens hard on will last that long

 

[DanWCE]

I think a lot of us on here are weary after the whole "HBF with midfield potential" strategy we've often employed. When we've got pick 8 at a point in the draft where there is still a lot of genuine midfielders, it scares us posters that ROB may be trying to be a bit too clever.

None of this directly relates to ROB (yet). This speculation is all the impartials suggesting we'll take Ginbey at 8. Are they all wrong as well? Just doesn't make sense they'd all project him to go top 10 (and some were suggesting he'd go earlier than 8) if he's a spud.

 

[dinnaz]

Of the players talked of being available at our pick I think Clark and Mackenzie, maybe Hollands also, are the genuine mids. Clark and Mackenzie are likely to go before 8 with Hollands a chance to be taken by Gold Coast

Now if it falls that way the choices other than Ginbey are :
• Humphrey - more a high half forward and has questions on his disposal
• Busslinger - KPD
• Phillipou - more a mid than Ginbey but I’ve still read doubts on whether he’s a mid or a forward

Ginbey is a risk in that he hasn’t proven a capacity to be a high production mid but he does have a big body and pace. Handy attributes that we lack. Also seems to have a genuine competitive streak/bit of campaigner to him as well

To me it's a no brainer. Ginbey, McKenzie, Hotton, can be part of a good midfield. Where as a few others can be the best player in your midfield and also have goal kicking ability.

Phillipou- Fyfe like. SA's best midfielder and also elite overhead. A handful when playing fwd.
Humphrey- Petracca like. Powerful unit, kicks goals, great one on one, haphazard disposal but is often under pressure.
Clark- Selwood like, not too many frills but gets the job done violently.


Busslinger- Barrass Mk-2. Intercepts everything, good disposal. Just needs to tighten up his lockdown skills which aren't terrible.
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Ginbey- SPP like. Poor disposal even in open space , quick and strong. Might only get 16 disposals but will bust through a few tackles and make something out of nothing.
Mackenzie- Tidy disposal balanced mid and has no major weaknesses but is just not dominant in any areas.
Szybkowski - Composed and makes really good decisions with the footy. Just doesn't get it enough or do a lot else.

 

[dewcefault]

None of this directly relates to ROB (yet). This speculation is all the impartials suggesting we'll take Ginbey at 8. Are they all wrong as well? Just doesn't make sense they'd all project him to go top 10 (and some were suggesting he'd go earlier than 8) if he's a spud.

Plenty of spuds have been drafted in the top 10. Plenty of them were concensus top 10 picks as well.
It's all part of the dark art that is drafting