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GC gave up pick 2 for Weller because he wanted to go there. They recognise they have a talent retention challenge and paid a premium to bring someone in who wanted to be there.
Hollands at their first pick is a no brainer to pair with his brother. I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen, they will prioritise it.
Hollands at their first pick is a no brainer to pair with his brother. I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen, they will prioritise it.
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Averaging 25 disposals 6 marks with speed to burn and an outside game/potential scope for inside as well...is it really that much of a disaster if we take Allan with pick 20 or beyond?
Provided say, Hotton or Hewett is gone by then of course. To me seems no less speculative a pick at that point than say, Ginbey at 8...although definitely more speculative than the Poo at 12.
To those more in the know than myself, is it the lack of exposed form that's a turn off? The back injuries? Or is it just the fear of reaching for him with a pick inside 20? (Which I can understand).
I could get used to a 194cm unit taking marks and bolting up and down the wing at Optus. Who was the last genuine tall winger we've had? Embley? (Don't say Brander kents)
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Provided say, Hotton or Hewett is gone by then of course. To me seems no less speculative a pick at that point than say, Ginbey at 8...although definitely more speculative than the Poo at 12.
To those more in the know than myself, is it the lack of exposed form that's a turn off? The back injuries? Or is it just the fear of reaching for him with a pick inside 20? (Which I can understand).
I could get used to a 194cm unit taking marks and bolting up and down the wing at Optus. Who was the last genuine tall winger we've had? Embley? (Don't say Brander kents)
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Did the speed show on the field?
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From what I've read, no. However...
He is young, willing to learn and should have the ability to work it into his game with the right development and coaching, at least you'd expect that is on recruiters minds if he has indeed risen so sharply up the board.
One thing I often wonder and something I rarely see considered on this board, is how great an effect the draftee interviews can have on a particular players stocks rising. For example, you interview say...Phillipou for arguments sake. He's done a lot right on the field, has a lot of scope for improvement physically but interviews poorly, or perhaps you come to the conclusion that he has the tools but not the application to put them together and make them work at your club, or perhaps he isn't even the right personality type to give himself the best chance to succeed there.
Then consider you've interviewed Allan (once again for arguments sake), and everything just clicks and feels right. Like a good job interview, you come away feeling confident he will apply himself fully, and is the right fit for your club environment. How closely then do you consider letting Phillipou slip, despite his physical advantages, in favour of another player with lesser physical attributes, but enough mental fortitude and the right attitude to overcome them?
Just something I've considered while trying to work out why Allan is suddenly a smokey for top 15. I don't buy into his combine stats being the cause to be honest.
I have no evidence but I strongly suspect draftee interviews have played a very large part in our drafting decisions in recent years. It's the reason why my gut feeling is we are targeting Jhye Clarke, he just seems like a West Coast personality to me and exactly what the team needs early in the rebuild. I also suspect we only take Hewett if he makes it to 20 for the same reason. Not supporting a footy team would raise my eyebrows, not because its that inportant but I simply don't believe it. Just a strange thing to say. No idea about Ginbey, smoke and mirrors perhaps but Gold Coast are welcome to develop him until he wants to come home.
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And finally since I can't sleep and I usually just shitpost on this board, I'll have a crack at your quiz Eastcoasteagle
* What positions on the list do you want to see filled via the draft?
Balanced mid or any mid that can hit the scoreboard / outside mid with pace and accumulation / small forward / ruck / kpf
* Who is your ideal top 4 picks (be reasonable)?
Clarke, Phillipou, Burgiel, Barnett .
Or
Mackenzie, Hewett, Keeler, Konstanty
* Who do you want late in the draft?
Jones (wishful thinking perhaps) or Broadbent
* Rookie draft or rerookie Winder & Trew?
I don't think Trew has done enough, Winder maybe off the back of some good late WAFL form but I don't like his odds either. Rookie draft for me.
* Where does Darcy Jones go pick wise?
Instinct tells me 25-35 but...hoping he slides far enough we can make a late pick swap and grab him.
* Tsatas slips to our first pick along with Busslinger and Phillipou, who do you take?
Buss boy will be a good player I'm sure, but I'd be taking Tsatas at 8 as best available that is most suited to our needs. There is at least a chance Phillipou would be there at the next pick too.
* What would make you melt/fold the club?
A poorly balanced and unexciting draft haul. At the end of the day, I back the club to make the right calls as they seem to have done last year. I just don't want to head into 2023 with nothing to look forward to but a couple of random project talls, a defender and a defender with midfield potential.
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* What positions on the list do you want to see filled via the draft?
Balanced mid or any mid that can hit the scoreboard / outside mid with pace and accumulation / small forward / ruck / kpf
* Who is your ideal top 4 picks (be reasonable)?
Clarke, Phillipou, Burgiel, Barnett .
Or
Mackenzie, Hewett, Keeler, Konstanty
* Who do you want late in the draft?
Jones (wishful thinking perhaps) or Broadbent
* Rookie draft or rerookie Winder & Trew?
I don't think Trew has done enough, Winder maybe off the back of some good late WAFL form but I don't like his odds either. Rookie draft for me.
* Where does Darcy Jones go pick wise?
Instinct tells me 25-35 but...hoping he slides far enough we can make a late pick swap and grab him.
* Tsatas slips to our first pick along with Busslinger and Phillipou, who do you take?
Buss boy will be a good player I'm sure, but I'd be taking Tsatas at 8 as best available that is most suited to our needs. There is at least a chance Phillipou would be there at the next pick too.
* What would make you melt/fold the club?
A poorly balanced and unexciting draft haul. At the end of the day, I back the club to make the right calls as they seem to have done last year. I just don't want to head into 2023 with nothing to look forward to but a couple of random project talls, a defender and a defender with midfield potential.
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Absolutely. Even if it for a seemingly 'token pick' - i.e. F3rd or so - they may as well do it.
It would be insane to take Holands at 5 rather than trading back for at least a small bump in 2022 or future draft capital.
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Bit of a different mock.
Ginbey / Hewett for us with Humphrey being the big slider outside the top 20
Bit of a different mock.
Ginbey / Hewett for us with Humphrey being the big slider outside the top 20
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Makes giving away pick 7 even more ridiculous as they could have kept it and gotten Hollands + someone else
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I think this is an interesting take and if a club has a good history of making the right calls with these kind of things it makes sense to use the interview as a key input.
The thing with interviews in the context of the draft is you have to turn what is a qualitative gut feel on an individual in to something measurable over many drafts to see how well your gut has done both in terms of who you drafted and who you chose to overlook.
Human nature being the way it is, they probably don't do that and if they really like a kid then they'll move things around on their board to try and get him.
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Id be surprised if GWS bid on Ashcroft. If he was going to a Vic club it would be different.
They did bid on Darcy but not Daicos, but that’s probably more to do with getting the pick from the pies in the first place
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Important axion imho - if you haven't seen it happen in juniors, it's folly to expect it in the seniors.
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But negative this. He showed clear development. For example had never had a season ending ankle injury before he made the big time...Like Chesser. Didn't play juniors, hasn't played seniors
And of those 10-14 games how did we go in them?
That would also be an interesting stat.
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If GC are looking to take Hollands, is there any chance we give them 12 and a second rounder (either this year’s or future) for their pick 5?
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Probably not because a team like Carlton would offer 10 and a future 1st.
Not really great for us when looked at in totality.
we traded 2 + 40 for 8, 12 and a F3rd
Rioli for a F2nd
So then we give up 8 and a F2nd for 5.
Meaning our total cost is 2, Rioli and 40 for 5, 8 and a F3rd....
I'd prefer to just keep what we have. If we rated anyone (Ginbey) that highly we should have kept 2. The reality is outside of Cadman we don't - so take one of the group of players we rate the same at 8 and another at 12 (who that is will depend on other clubs to an extent - but we clearly rate quite a number of players as very even).
I am parochially West Australian, and always take more pride in the local product in preference, unless there's a standout prospect, ie ... Judd.
I also believe that with the 1st pick, we must take the best prospect regardless of need, for me that is Busslinger.
2nd pick Hewitt/Ginbey
3rd - Ed Allan, Darcy Jones, Hotton, Cowan
4th - Kalib Smith, there are a number of pacy half-backs here.
5th - our NGA prospect - Dewar
I would focus on talls next draft, with Edwards and Curtin being who we should focus on.
I also believe that with the 1st pick, we must take the best prospect regardless of need, for me that is Busslinger.
2nd pick Hewitt/Ginbey
3rd - Ed Allan, Darcy Jones, Hotton, Cowan
4th - Kalib Smith, there are a number of pacy half-backs here.
5th - our NGA prospect - Dewar
I would focus on talls next draft, with Edwards and Curtin being who we should focus on.
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I don’t think that trade suits us and trading back to 12 is a bit risky for the Suns - good chance Carlton would take him at their pick 10
Suns are better dealing with Saints or Carlton if they want to trade back
Could get 9 and a F2 from St Kilda or 10 and a F1 from Carlton with maybe a F2 going back
If they did trade back to get Hollands, it becomes a good chance Ginbey drops back to us at 8 rather than GC at 5. I’ll leave it for others to decide if they think that’s a good or bad thing
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