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I don’t see a team taking him before then
North - Sheezel
WC - Wardlaw
GWS - Cadman
ESS - Tsatas
Suns - Busslinger
HAW - Clark
Whoever gets Pick 7 - (could be anyone)
Port - Phillipou
Saints - McKenzie
That’s roughly how I’d expect it to play out, whoever gets pick 7 is the one that could take McKenzie I suppose but even then I’d expect most teams to prefer Humphries and a couple others.
I'd definitely take Mackenzie over Clark. Tsatas too, despite many rating him top 3.
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I wouldn't have a clue who saints pick.
I am just passing information that his cousin said, and the gut feel from last week he said he would be drafted by Saints. I will preface this with the following again, his family a HUGE eagle fans, and he does not want to go to Freo but he just wants to play.
I like MCKenzie more than Clark too but I think Hawks would prefer Clark
Tsatas is 110% going before McKenzie though regardless of how you feel about him
McKenzie could go at 6-7 I guess but I still think he gets through to the Saints
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Loads to play out still in terms of trade period, so based on rankings he's top 6 and I can't see him going past there.
Best kick in the draft and has speed.
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How so?
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Here is some vomit inducing stuff from Knightmare. Tsatas over Cadman, Sheezel or an inside mid. Darcy Jones in the second round over the likes of Jakob Ryan. Boy o boy wowee.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...t-espn-early-two-round-breakdown-************
I'm not a fan of GCS trading pick 7 with Bowes.
If they didn't trade that then we could have gone pick 5 (from Crows for Rankine) and 7 for pick 2 and second rounder next year for 5 and 7. They can take Sheezel and replace Rankine, we can get Poo and Clarke.
They can even throw in Bowes and we'll give them a port second rounder next year that we can try get for Rioli.
Pick 2, future second, Rioli for Pick 5 (Clarke), Pick 7 (Poo) and Bowes would be a win for us.
Sadly will never happen.
If they didn't trade that then we could have gone pick 5 (from Crows for Rankine) and 7 for pick 2 and second rounder next year for 5 and 7. They can take Sheezel and replace Rankine, we can get Poo and Clarke.
They can even throw in Bowes and we'll give them a port second rounder next year that we can try get for Rioli.
Pick 2, future second, Rioli for Pick 5 (Clarke), Pick 7 (Poo) and Bowes would be a win for us.
Sadly will never happen.
Last year jumped on a similar type in Wanganeen-Milera at #11 as a hard to catch, skillfull winger.
Went at the top of his range and was a slight reach IMO.
So they either have a type or they're looking to diversify.
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Also the goss is that Hill wants out to join North.
And yes Clubs have types and over the years, I have noticed trends, there are players from particular drafts that scream a certain Club.
Example last year I thought Sheldrick was a prototype typical Sydney player …. they ended up drafting him.
I see two Sydney type players this year: Ginbey and Hustwaite, I will keep an eye out and see it either go there.
There was an era when the Doggies never drafted any player over 192 cm.
Geelong scour the minor leagues and seem to continually pluck nuggets from obscurity.
And god bless them, Fremantle just can’t resist a good small over a good tall.
We have our type …. lol… either flankers or talls……. We don’t draft mids …. We prefer to pay excessive draft capital and poach them…. only caveat is that they must be originally from WA and expensive.
I am sure the Saints would like Mackenzie but are just covering the bases with a due diligence on all players that could be avail around their slot.
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God I hope we dont pick Tsatas.
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FFS George over Hotten …. no thanks .
Kelly and ???
2018 side:
Shuey = Drafted
Gaff = Drafted
Redden = SA
Yeo = Second Rounder
Masten = Drafted
Hutchings = Drafted
Sheed = Drafted
Plus current spuds and/or kids:
SPS: A packet of chips
Edwards = Drafted
Chesser = Drafted
Hough = Drafted
O'Neill = Drafted
Trew = Drafted
West = Drafted
Clark = Drafted
Naish = Drafted
Culley = Drafted
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So remind me again who was the last quality midfielder that we drafted in the last decade ?
Sheed in 2013 ???? Maybe
Long time between drinks Pal.
But if your happy with our haul, each to their own.
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So we do draft mids? And Redden isn't from WA? And only Kelly cost a lot?
Argh I should have stipulated quality mids, that might have been easier for you to get your head around.
It's a roundabout argument as always, but who did we miss out on with the picks we had?
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Can’t be bother listing them again in detail it’s been done before, as you say it’s a roundabout argument.
But Zac Bailey comes to mind.
I get the feeling you won’t be convinced so I won’t waste my time or yours.
Can’t be bother listing them again in detail it’s been done before.
But Zac Bailey comes to mind.
I get the feeling you won’t be convinced so I won’t waste my time or yours.
Because I defend the Brander call all the time
And have been begging for the club to draft Cadman, the key forward who (allegedly) can't kick But OK 
I've said multiple times an Allen/Kelly combination would have been the better outcome, and I don't think anyone would disagree.
Two and a wingman in 2022So remind me again who was the last quality midfielder that we drafted in the last decade ?
Sheed in 2013 ???? Maybe
Long time between drinks Pal.
But if your happy with our haul, each to their own.
Yeah got to agree with AB on this.
The fact that there is only one mid on our list who we poached for big capital and from WA cant be considered a pattern.
The fact we have had **** all high end draft picks in the past 5 or 6 years means we were pretty unlikely to draft any real quality midfielders. We may have some in Hough and Chesser but that is yet to be realised.
The statement doesnt stand up.
The fact that there is only one mid on our list who we poached for big capital and from WA cant be considered a pattern.
The fact we have had **** all high end draft picks in the past 5 or 6 years means we were pretty unlikely to draft any real quality midfielders. We may have some in Hough and Chesser but that is yet to be realised.
The statement doesnt stand up.
Monocle Eastcoasteagle and I had our AGM at the Limerick Arms South Melbourne three weeks ago (Monocle was with homework submitted and attended virtually) and since then, we have seen the Metro v Country game and the Dragons v Stingrays GF. Not much has changed for us in list order and we are reasonably aligned as to what we would do. We had a alignment session over the weekend. That said, none of us have any idea what the Pieman will do this year or in many years hat we have witnessed. We can tell you what are Pieman traditional picks but not his strategy. He rightfully holds his cards close.
If this is the usual Pieman approach, we see a real possibility of him taking Cadman with 2 and then going for a balanced midfielder at 20 and a utility or outside type at 26. Plenty of options at 38 but do not discount Broadbent. He would also be rather enamoured by Sheezel at 2 and there will be a temptation. Many won't like this but we sense he also likes Tsatas.
In his recap speech post draft, we feel the Pieman will discuss that he prioritised the midfield starting last year with Hough, Chesser and Culley and he added to it this year. Hence his desire to add a KPF in Cadman that would partner Oscar (having got a KPD in Bazzo who will partner Barrass).
What we would collectively do is a different thing. I got hammered some 2 months ago saying we should slide back. Clumpy Chap then gave us 40 pages of why you should never do that because you have a better chance of finding elite players at pick 1 or 2. That derailed interest and was time I will never get back.
All 3 of us are fine with a slide back but there are limits.
The top 4 feel pretty even for me. Taking one of Sheezel, Cadman, Wardlaw or Busslinger are good picks. They are just not the standouts of prior years like Petracca, Walsh, King etc.
There is a group of really good 5 midfielders at the next level - MacKenzie, Phillippou, Clark, Hollands and Tsatas. After that there is a next level of 5 mids/utility in Hustwaite, Hotton, Hewett, Ginbey and Fletcher. Mixed in that order would be three talls in Hayes, Jefferies and Keeler and people will differ greatly as to whether they are rated at 10 or through to 20.
Personally, I am OK sliding back to the 5 to 8 level and would do so without demanding a huge premium. I would want more to go to a pick from 10 on wards.
One thing you will hear all three of us saying is that 2023 has an exciting first round. It would need to be absolutely hugely in our favour to trade out of the first round next year. In fact we should be looking to double up in the first round next year or getting enough picks so as to buy the Suns R1 as they will be sellers. No need to respond by saying we hear that each year. You have rarely heard this from all three of us and we watch a load of U18 football.
The problem I see is who will want to trade up and want pick 2?
1. GWS - they love the top end and we see Cadman as a player they both like and need. They will also have multiple first rounders with Hopper, Taranto and Bruhn leaving. Problem is that will likely be a future R1, plus 12 from Richmond and 18 from Cats. I had really hoped Hawks or Dons would have got Taranto or Hopper meaning the Giants would have something more in their range I want. Is our interest in Cadman there to up the interest in GWS trading up to 2 from 3? I hope GWS act. I would take 3 and 18 for 2 and 26. Problem is if they are that keen, Norf need Cadman and Clarkson loves his KPF picks early in tenure. GWS may wait until Norf have picked before they offer up. Sorry folks, but it will give us interest to watch the start of the draft for a change. No need to trade up for Busslinger if they see Hayes as suitable with one of their other R1 picks. One scenario is that of trading 2 and say 26 for 12 and 19 this year and Richmond's future R1. I would probably take that. We take 12 (Ginbey, Hustwaite/Hotton or Hewett), 19 being pick 1 on day 2 it might get a seriously good deal or do 2 of Keeler/Szybowski/George/J Ryan/Weddle or maybe even Hewett. The real attraction is that of a decent mid at 12 plus double dipping in 2023. GWS would love taking 2 and 3 to the draft.
2. Suns - they have so many picks that they are happy throwing away pick 7 this year (after pick 19 last year) to tidy up their salary cap. Crazy. I would have thought that 7 (turns into 8) would be a perfect spot to pick up Hollands to join his brother and make life easier for them going forward. Will they be wanting to replace Rankine with 5? If so, then Sheezel is the man. Pick 5 (becomes 6) from Crows will not cut the mustard. A move from 5 to 2 will probably cost them pick 25. I can see the Suns also getting the Crows 2023 first rounder in the Rankine deal. It solves a big issue in gathering academy points for 2023 and the AFL do not seem to be able to stop them postponing their picks. Besides, Adelaide may be very keen on Phillipou at 5 as their midfielders are on the lighter side.
3. Essendon - is it Cadman or is it Sheezel? They need both and would be ideal for their build. At 4, they run the risk of missing both. They hold 4 and 22 and will need points for Davy jnr. I would do 4 and 22 for 2 and 38. They in theory will have enough points with 38 and 40 to get Davy and get their main target. Sticking point - Dodoro. A good point - they do not need pick 1 as either Cadman or Sheezel will be there at 2 so their deal is not dependant on who Norf take.
4. Port - this is more about Port sliding back from pick 8. We have a pawn in play with Rioli. It is being reported that they are prepared to slide back with Freo. There are so many computations as to how and who else gets involved so I will leave it as a possibility. If we can get Lions pick 15, then 8 and Rioli for 15 values Rioli at pick 40. I'd probably need their pick 53 which we can use to get 15.
5. Fremantle - do they offer up pick 2 for Jackson and say that is it. It is a spot higher than they drafted him and some might say that is enough. They might need to add a later pick. What would we cant from Freo? Simple answer is Erasmus and 13. That would value Erasmus at pick 12 and he was taken at pick 10 so I am sure we could do a later pick swap. Alternatively we ask for pick 13, next year's first and some sweetener (they will be getting plenty of R2 picks with Logue and Lobb). Do I feel unclean in helping the unwashed get Jackson. No. Business is business.
Then there is the Lions pick. Now that it is 15, it feels like it on the edge of the next level. Yes, Ginbey and Hewett may still be there but it is a couple of spots later than I really want. So it does not come with such a big premium for me.
The issue who is wanted at pick 2 is twofold - of there not being a clear number 1 and Norf have such a screwed up record in who they pick at the pointy end.
Clear as mud?
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Bailey Humphrey will be a bolter should go between 5 and 10.
Think the Eagles will take a good look at him explosive goal kicking mid....
Think the Eagles will take a good look at him explosive goal kicking mid....
Mids still on our list drafted over a decade ago
1. Shuey
2. Gaff
Mids still on our list drafted over 5 years ago
1. Sheed (and that was 9 years ago)
Mids on our list drafted in the last 5 years
1. Clark (2021 pick 62)
2. O'Neill (2018 pick 28)
3. Edwards (2020 pick 52)
4. Culley (mid season rookie pick)
5. Hough (2021 pick 31)
6. Chesser (2021 pick 14)
Hough is the only one of the above taken in the last 5 years that is confidently looking like being in our best 22.
Mids that we have traded for in the last 10 years with first round picks
2012 - Wellingham - R1 seems too high for what we go in a back pocket
2015 - Redden - worked well
2019 - Kelly - the price was wrong as is his salary but he is serviceable but not worth 2 firsts and 2 seconds
Mids that we have traded for with less than a first round
2013 - Yeo brilliant pick (and some complained that we bent over at the trade table with pick 28)
We have had a bunch of rookie mids in a hit and hope scenario, hardly giving it priority
The midfield is called the engine room for a reason. Our lack of investment in the engine room means that we have a great chassis but not enough grunt under the bonnet.
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