List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

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[Westcoast88]

Would we trade multiple second rounders to get up to 10-15 to snag Hewett? Or even 15-20 if he really slides?

I think theres a real chance Ginbey or Hewett are still there at 20 so I wouldnt want to trade out our second rounders to get them - happy to take either one of them as a slider at 20. The draft is pretty even from 12-30 odd they say so probably no point, we are in a good position already with 20 and 26.

 

[dinnaz]

How much midfield time does Sheezle play?

I’m assuming it’s significant, some of his numbers are way too high for a flanker.

As far as I can tell it was only a few weeks in the guts
Sandringham:
-R1,R2,R3,R4,R8 Forward, kicked buckets of goals and looked a star.
-R9, R10 Midfield and looked good as first receiver at stoppages farming it out.
Apparently players were involved with school footy which opened spots? However Ashcroft, was still there both weeks, Mackenzie in R10.
-R13-Finals: Back to full time fwd (pretty sure as I didn't see every game in this period)

Champs:
Almost exclusively fwd but leading high up to the wings in a lot of cases.

As a midfielder is fine and would be good for bursts (Collingwood 2010) but is so dangerous forward why move him. Like Lecras why rob your forward line of 2 goals a game for just another midfielder.

 

[CountryLad]

I really wouldn't want us trading up for Hewitt or Ginbey. Just have one of them act like massive campaigners at their combine interview.

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I thought the draft combine was on the 7-9th of October? Do you do the interviews before hand?

 

[Westcoast88]

My top picks currently I think Eagles should consider:

1. Ashcroft to Brisbane
2. North
3.
* If Sheezel not picked by North take Sheezel as first option
** If Sheezel gone and Wardlaw hammies ok pick Wardlaw (trust the club to define what constitutes hammies being ok)
*** If Sheezel gone and Wardlaw hammies are not ok pick Cadman

I would not pick Tsatas at this point, just did not impress me enough in the metro vs country game and if we split picks I doubt he will be available so I dont consider him likely in any of my scenarios.

I think we need to be open to a pick split also but its difficult to predict what we would get in return for pick 2 and what players would be left available, I like Busslinger, Hustwaithe, Clark, Humphrey, Hollands.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

I thought the draft combine was on the 7-9th of October? Do you do the interviews before hand?

 

[dinnaz]

Presumably because it's all based on potential, and potential has a habit of not being reached very often.

Fyfe rather than Bont.
Bont has the ability to sidestep where I can see Phillipou becoming more of a bulldozer. However he is so clean with positioning and pickups that he's always had his arms free to dish off. Plus being a good fwd outright as a bonus.

Killed it in the SANFL U18s in the first half of the year, played a few reserves games and vs Allies at the champs was best on, played solely as a fwd in the 2nd game and impacted by injury since then we think.

Would rather him over most other mids this year but for what he's shown most years #2 is too high. This year however there's no obvious top end which sucks

 

[CountryLad]

I thought the draft combine was on the 7-9th of October? Do you do the interviews before hand?

No matter I read your post wrong all good

 

[mehow2g]

I hope we get Sheezel, he could be something very special at worst serviceable.

 

[Westcoast88]

I hope we get Sheezel, he could be something very special at worst serviceable.

I agree, could you imagine the damage he could do averaging 20 disposals in the midfield, he makes something out of half chances. In a high pressure game (such as finals footy) his 1 touch would be so valuable where there is little time and space, he needs barely any to do damage, just watch some of his highlights, he is already very advanced for a small forward skill wise that he can work on getting more of the ball. I dont know why people somehow see him as some common forward flanker, he is anything but common. True he could end up being only so so but many are in that boat, his ceiling is very high with that 1 touch high footy iq of his. Part of the excitement with Sheezel is what he could be. He could be Stevie J. I like that he seems of good character and work ethic because that is often where highly skilled players like him are lacking, they are ill disciplined or wont work hard enough or are injury prone, he has showed none of those traits as yet. If Sheezel can work to his potential I think he can be the best player in the draft but its a big if at this stage, he must be willing to sacrifice, work hard and have a bit of luck with injury, I believe his skills are there.

 

[mehow2g]

I agree, could you imagine the damage he could do averaging 20 disposals in the midfield, he makes something out of half chances. In a high pressure game (such as finals footy) his 1 touch would be so valuable where there is little time and space, he needs barely any to do damage, just watch some of his highlights, he is already very advanced for a small forward skill wise that he can work on getting more of the ball. I dont know why people somehow see him as some common forward flanker, he is anything but common. True he could end up being only so so but many are in that boat, his ceiling is very high with that 1 touch high footy iq of his. Part of the excitement with Sheezel is what he could be. He could be Stevie J. I like that he seems of good character and work ethic because that is often where highly skilled players like him are lacking, they are ill disciplined or wont work hard enough or are injury prone, he has showed none of those traits as yet. If Sheezel can work to his potential I think he can be the best player in the draft but its a big if at this stage, he must be willing to sacrifice, work hard and have a bit of luck with injury, I believe his skills are there.

Spot on, I don't see him staying in the FWD line all his career he looks pretty damn strong already.

Yes his IQ is large and as you mentioned he consistently gets clean in situations he shouldn't, that skill is what separates a very good player to an elite player.

 

[WCE_phil]

Still hoping to downtrade 2 + adding something if needed for something along the lines of 6 + 9.

Mackenzie
Phillipou (if back is fine) or if not then im really not sure. But if we're going to go for second touch run and burst then Hewett imo.

I think Mackenzie is now the first mid in line after the ashcroft,wardlaw,tsatas run.

Mackenzie is a riskier pick but his ball use and burst is too much for me to not draft at that point. Hewett again is in a similar boat but hasn't had the chance against kids his own age to show more of it. With their skills and burst all you're looking to do is up production levels which they aren't slouches at anyway.

Then I would look at talls with our seconds and then hopefully Gilbey with our third rounder.

Next year has a huge amount of Forward and ruck talent.

I'd also like Hagan as a late pick. He may prove to be a tweener but we'll see, i think there's value there and if anything he has been hugely overexposed but I see a really solid 100 game player there at least.

 

[Obeanie1]

Phillipou is not rated as highly as Sheezel mostly because he does not have as much exposed form against high level competition (only 1 quarter against vic metro and 1 full game against a lowly allies side). Sheezel has much more exposed form (similar to other players ahead of Phillipou) against high level competition and is largely considered the best 1 touch player in the draft. You might say half forward flankers are common but one touch players like Sheezel are very rare. Phillipou has displayed 1 touch ability too but it has came against mostly lower competition and as the levels go up its harder to remain 1 touch with the added pressure.

Sheezel is also one of the best kicks in the draft and has a good side step and mark. He also doesnt seem to be lazy like a lot of small forwards and his high work rate may allow him to push up the field. Phillipou is a bit of a darling on these boards as people obsess over tall mids quite a bit, they are the flavour of the month, again this is not to downgrade phillipou's abilities but more to add perspective into why he is rated higher on these forums than outside. Club fans drool over the prospect of the next Dangerfield, bont and Martyn and Phillipou fits their dimensions physically but whether he can match even half their ability remains to be seen and so Phillipou is more of an unproven commodity than the top 5/6.

And that's why he won't go top 5. More like 6-10.

5 days younger and he would be in next year's draft. So an under age player who has done pretty well, is a good size and a multi role player.

 

[wadistance]

The next pendelbury. Sign him


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[Westcoast88]

The next pendelbury. Sign him


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Good pick up. This is what I like about Sheezel highly skilled but so far without the undesirable traits of being lazy, having a bad attitude or being injury prone. So often the highly skilled come with that baggage - hello Rioli and De Goey.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Would we trade multiple second rounders to get up to 10-15 to snag Hewett? Or even 15-20 if he really slides?

Just tell him to say he doesn't want to leave WA

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Whoever gets Elijah Hewett is going to get a bargain by the looks of things. Chad Warner 2.0 if he develops some consistency, I’d be trying to get in that pick 10 range somehow to grab him.

Again, take this as you will.

His cousin said he has a feeling Saints are dead keen and that is where he will be going. I have no idea where Saints sit in terms of picks etc but adds to the suspense in any case.

 

[Monocle]

Again, take this as you will.

His cousin said he has a feeling Saints are dead keen and that is where he will be going. I have no idea where Saints sit in terms of picks etc but adds to the suspense in any case.

Saints have pick # 9 , so thats a very plausible landing spot.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Still hoping to downtrade 2 + adding something if needed for something along the lines of 6 + 9.

Mackenzie
Phillipou (if back is fine) or if not then im really not sure. But if we're going to go for second touch run and burst then Hewett imo.

I think Mackenzie is now the first mid in line after the ashcroft,wardlaw,tsatas run.

Mackenzie is a riskier pick but his ball use and burst is too much for me to not draft at that point. Hewett again is in a similar boat but hasn't had the chance against kids his own age to show more of it. With their skills and burst all you're looking to do is up production levels which they aren't slouches at anyway.

Then I would look at talls with our seconds and then hopefully Gilbey with our third rounder.

Next year has a huge amount of Forward and ruck talent.

I'd also like Hagan as a late pick. He may prove to be a tweener but we'll see, i think there's value there and if anything he has been hugely overexposed but I see a really solid 100 game player there at least.

Between yourself, Monocle and AsterixTheGaul - I have no idea who it is or the strategy we want to go with. Can you collectively get together and make a call?

Wardlaw/Sheezel or downgrade for Phillipou, Mackenzie or Clark?

Otherwise any chance to get picks 3-7 and get all five kids in.

 

[Monocle]

Wardlaw/Sheezel or downgrade for Phillipou, Mackenzie or Clark?

IMO I would prefer the downgrade and get two for the price of one.

Two of those three would be a good haul.

I am a big MacKenzie fan.... very good user of the ball, needs to work on his tank.
Depending just how far down the draft the second pick was ... assuming top 12 and concentrating on midfielders, I would add Hotton and Hollands to that list.

 

[TerryFilk]

Again, take this as you will.

His cousin said he has a feeling Saints are dead keen and that is where he will be going. I have no idea where Saints sit in terms of picks etc but adds to the suspense in any case.

I’d be very surprised if the Saints choose Hewett over their academy kid McKenzie

 

[MaxHunt]

I’d be very surprised if the Saints choose Hewett over their academy kid McKenzie

Correct. They are on the McKenzie train.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Correct. They are on the McKenzie train.

Mackenzie won't be there at 9, does makes perfect sense they're into Hewett

 

[ArdentEagle]

Anyone else get the feeling Hotton may go higher than most expect? Has a lot of desirable attributes.

 

[Monocle]

Anyone else get the feeling Hotton may go higher than most expect? Has a lot of desirable attributes. That he certainly does.

I don't think he gets past Carlton at pick 10.

 

[FKASC]

this thread would be so much more fun if there was an obvious top 2-3 players in the draft