List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

[Keys]

Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[WCE_phil]

I'm in a position now where i cant comment on where i think players will go due to a vested interest however there is 2 players people are mentioning for 10-20 that may go top 10.

GC if they are genuinely only taking one pick are 50/50 on two players.

Hawks i have no knowledge of as it stands their top 2 targets from a couple of weeks ago are almost certainly gone.

One team and i cant comment on but a surprise people don't expect may be coming.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Buslinger is pretty much the one and only top end talent i'd probably melt if we drafted with our first. Unless they're a generational talent, i genuinely don't like the idea of taking KPD's that early in the draft as i think the hit rate is less.


Not that Buslinger is bad, i just don't think a KPD is required enough to warrant such a high selection, which we RARELY have. The midfield is clearly the most area of need, and a KPF (Cadman) to replace Kennedy would also make sense. Mids and forwards win games.

McGovern (rookie pick) is still around, Barrass (pick 43) too, Edwards (rookie) they seem keen on, then there's Bazzo (pick 37).




Has Grainger Barrass justified his high selection? Hawks took him at pick 6, 2 years ago.

What about Fisher Mcasey for Adelaide? Pick 6 KPD, played 10 games in 3 years.

 

[Lach72]

Buslinger is pretty much the one and only top end talent i'd probably melt if we drafted with our first. Unless they're a generational talent, i genuinely don't like the idea of taking KPD's that early in the draft as i think the hit rate is less.


Not that Buslinger is bad, i just don't think a KPD is required enough to warrant such a high selection, which we RARELY have. The midfield is clearly the most area of need, and a KPF (Cadman) to replace Kennedy would also make sense. Mids and forwards win games.

McGovern (rookie pick) is still around, Barrass (pick 43) too, Edwards (rookie) they seem keen on, then there's Bazzo (pick 37).




Has Grainger Barrass justified his high selection? Hawks took him at pick 6, 2 years ago.

What about Fisher Mcasey for Adelaide? Pick 6 KPD, played 10 games in 3 years.

Who has justified those tops picks.
Weitering, Lever but he wasn’t a top ten. Back in the day McPharlin did.
the kid who went to Richmond last year looks pretty good…whatshisface?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Gibcus, Lever are both reasonable.

Wietering is "ok".


We've built our KPP size defense on bargain basement picks.

 

[Keys]

Also if we do split picks we have 5 sub 30 picks this year coming in to join Chesser, Hough, Bazzo, JWilliams and Culley from last year.

That would make 10 players 20 and under on our list going into 2023 all but one (Williams) of which will have been taken under pick 37 in their respective drafts

You can then see why we’ve kept some of the older heads like Naitanui, Hurn and Shuey around to help these kids through

 

[NSLK]

Gibcus, Lever are both reasonable.

Wietering is "ok".


We've built our KPP size defense on bargain basement picks.

Severely underrating Weitering

 

[Bender_]

Time is a flat circle, back to discussing picking KPP at the pointy end of the draft. Looking forward to discussing balanced bulls and their letter gradings next.

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

Three of those are highly rated WA kids. Two could be better of equal to Wardlaw.

Why does George Wardlaw, the bull with the largest quads in the draft, simply not eat the smaller draftees with inferior quads?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Um pick 8 and 12 are not picks in the teens.

 

[tigger_ferret]

I'm in a position now where i cant comment on where i think players will go due to a vested interest however there is 2 players people are mentioning for 10-20 that may go top 10.

GC if they are genuinely only taking one pick are 50/50 on two players.

Hawks i have no knowledge of as it stands their top 2 targets from a couple of weeks ago are almost certainly gone.

One team and i cant comment on but a surprise people don't expect may be coming.

Do you also do horoscopes??

I actually understand you have a level of inside info, but genuinely can’t share

 

[TerryFilk]

If we don’t split pick 2, we have

2,20,26,40, whatever we get for Rioli

Possible result if we do split pick 2

8,12,15,20,26

Choice between

- one of Cadman, Wardlaw, Tsatas, Sheezel plus what we can get in the lottery with 40 and the Rioli pick

- three of Hewett, Hotton, Hollands, Ginbey, Busslinger, Phillipou (or one of McKenzie, Clarke or Humphrey could slide)

I don’t know enough of the draftees to say if one of that first group is that far superior to those in the second group to go all in on one pick rather than spreading out across 3 players

Let’s just say I can see why the club is considering the option

I’d definitely prefer the latter but I haven’t seen it reported anywhere yet we’re getting another 1st, so I’m holding my breath until that’s mentioned.

The thing I’m concerned about is if they go Hewett and Ginbey at 8/12, I think we absolutely must get Phillipou, Humphries or McKenzie at 8 personally, then one of Hewett / Ginbey at 12.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I'm in a position now where i cant comment on where i think players will go due to a vested interest however there is 2 players people are mentioning for 10-20 that may go top 10.

GC if they are genuinely only taking one pick are 50/50 on two players.

Hawks i have no knowledge of as it stands their top 2 targets from a couple of weeks ago are almost certainly gone.

One team and i cant comment on but a surprise people don't expect may be coming.

I am not looking for a response as I do not need you to disclose anything

1. Suns - I suspect they will be considering both Hollands and Busslinger at 5. Busslinger is in many top 8 lists so not much of a reach but Hollands is but with his brother, cheap insurance

2. Saints could go Jefferson at 9 as he alongside King would match up well

3. Blues could be pulling the trigger for Hotton at 10. I really rate him as he is a genuine mid and can also do damage on hff

4. Hayes could also get picked inside the top 10. Not far off Busslinger

5. Geelong at 7 look a lock for Clark but if he is gone, who knows what they do.

This is why positioned with 4 picks in the 8 to 20 range feels great

 

[Jed Clampet]

Yeah I’m not happy about punting on Wardlaw, he did have some comments the other day about it’d be a dream to get to Essendon though, so maybe there’s more to it behind the scenes? At least that is what I’m preparing to convince my self so it doesn’t hurt when he dominates at whatever club he does go to…

Yes saw that, said it would be great to be available at pick 4. Think he might be a flight risk. Have to go for Vic Country, SA or home grown.

A mate and I saw EF vs EP Ginbey played in the guts, was impressive, named in midfield for u18 all Australian team. I don’t think he will make it further than pick 10. But my wife tells me I have been wrong a lot.

 

[TerryFilk]

Buslinger is pretty much the one and only top end talent i'd probably melt if we drafted with our first. Unless they're a generational talent, i genuinely don't like the idea of taking KPD's that early in the draft as i think the hit rate is less.


Not that Buslinger is bad, i just don't think a KPD is required enough to warrant such a high selection, which we RARELY have. The midfield is clearly the most area of need, and a KPF (Cadman) to replace Kennedy would also make sense. Mids and forwards win games.

McGovern (rookie pick) is still around, Barrass (pick 43) too, Edwards (rookie) they seem keen on, then there's Bazzo (pick 37).




Has Grainger Barrass justified his high selection? Hawks took him at pick 6, 2 years ago.

What about Fisher Mcasey for Adelaide? Pick 6 KPD, played 10 games in 3 years.

I think taking key forwards earlier RECENTLY is a lot better than taking key defenders personally, so I agree with this take

I would not hate if we took Busslinger at 12 as that’s great value and he is the perfect Gov replacement, but I don’t want him chosen at 8 if Phillipou, Humphries or McKenzie are there.

 

[random260]

I'd go Buss he is deserved that pick 8.

 

[bh90210fan]

I think my first preference would be to just trade our pick 2 with GWS on draft night

Doubt North trade out pick 1 without getting our pick 2 this trade period, no way are they losing 2 pick 1’s (JHF) in the one offseason without a couple of top 5 picks coming back. They don’t need to stock up on kids.

If North take Sheezel as was suggested earlier in the thread and GWS trade us pick 3 + 12 for Cadman, we could get Wardlaw + another great kid with 12 and I think that would be the way to go.

If we go ahead with the ultra mega super special trade, we need to get hold of a future 1st to compensate for whatever we might be (realistically) leaving on the table had we held off.

 

[dkalphy]

Look if we do this trade, i'd only like 8 and 12 if we get a future first round pick.

Alternatively, if GWS take Cadman if we hold off we get Wardlaw, win-win.

 

[Tas]

The reality is when JHF left Wardlaw became a pipe dream since that's where norf he is going

I am not sure, if we trade 1 to GWS, they will likely use it on Cadman, so that will leave Wardlaw at 2.

 

[TerryFilk]

Look if we do this trade, i'd only like 8 and 12 if we get a future first round pick.

Alternatively, if GWS take Cadman if we hold off we get Wardlaw, win-win.

Yep, I’m only doing the suggested 4 team deal or whatever it is if we’re betting 3 1sts and keeping 20 and our future 2nd. Otherwise I’m cool with any one of Wardlaw of Cadman

 

[new breed]

Busslinger could go to Geelong ( pick 7 )
if not its Jhye Clark .

 

[random260]

I am not sure, if we trade 1 to GWS, they will likely use it on Cadman, so that will leave Wardlaw at 2.

I think a like for like is going to happen. Your bigfooty board has been pushing for Wardlaw and ever since JHF left there is a unanimous view

Also we have a greater chance of trading out pick then you. Your pick one only goes if ours goes.

 

[Campaigner for good]

I am not sure, if we trade 1 to GWS, they will likely use it on Cadman, so that will leave Wardlaw at 2.

Keep pick 1. Make Port pay a lot for a highly regarded pick 1 from last year. It's not your problem how they get that capital, their the ones poaching a contracted and wanted player.

 

[Tas]

Don't they have another small-ish inside mid waiting in the wings in Will Phillips?

For the life of me, what stands out is the lack of second option in attack next to Larkey.

Phillips is a balanced midfielder, more inside than outside more suited to a centre role. He played in the same team as Rowell and Anderson, a year younger.

We definitely need more KPF, my own personal take is that I am reluctant to take a KPP very early in the first round, prefer mid to later first round, or later rounds. Larkey was a 3rd round pick from memory, Brown second I think. We have Comben who we took as a second rounder and Edwards who was pick 1 in the MSD, both seem to be a long way off.

I was okay with us going after McDonald a couple of years back, or Cadman this year, it is pretty obvious from McDonald's performance in the Swans with Reid and Buddy also there to help that it isn't easy for KPP to make the transition, a lot of key forwards are complete busts. You can get shit mids too from early picks but it is a lot less common.

 

[Tas]

I think a like for like is going to happen. Your bigfooty board has been pushing for Wardlaw and ever since JHF left there is a unanimous view

Also we have a greater chance of trading out pick then you. Your pick one only goes if ours goes.

Oh, I'd take Wardlaw with pick 1 if it was up to me, he was ahead of Ashcroft before he got hurt. He is aggressive, quick, great athleticism, good skills, I expect him to have a great career wherever he goes.

 

[dajesmac]

8: Cam Mackenzie
12: Elijah Hewett
15: Brayden George
21: Jakob Ryan
26: Harry Barnett