Coach Clarkson has left the building

[KermitJagger]

Can't blame Lyon for that. His teams were known for their dour desperate defending. That's on Milne and he will never live that moment down.

Can blame Lyon for having a guy who got 22 disposals, laid 8 tackles and won 5 frees for his team over the first 3 quarters and "forgetting" he was on the bench the entire 4th quarter, then having him leave to the side you drew with the next year. Not a great people manager.

 

[CHUBBSS]

Can blame Lyon for having a guy who got 22 disposals, laid 8 tackles and won 5 frees for his team over the first 3 quarters and "forgetting" he was on the bench the entire 4th quarter, then having him leave to the side you drew with the next year. Not a great people manager.

The single worst coaching move of all time! ALL TIME

 

[deanc]

Can blame Lyon for having a guy who got 22 disposals, laid 8 tackles and won 5 frees for his team over the first 3 quarters and "forgetting" he was on the bench the entire 4th quarter, then having him leave to the side you drew with the next year. Not a great people manager.

Fondly remember that 2008 PF vs Saints. It was cracking free flowing game up until just after half time when Lyon, fearing the Hawks were getting on top, then switched to his back-line zone/flooding tactics. Thereafter, with no-one ahead of the ball the Saints created turnovers and the Hawks just smashed em'..!!!

It was also Robert Harvey's last match and a life-long Saints member mate just couldn't believe how the match had unfolded (thanks mainly to Lyon's tactics) and was nearly in tears...!!!

 

[Pessimistic]

Can't imagine Poppy or Cyril letting that ball get passed them, it's a GF and no desperation from Milne at all - that comes from the coach

contrast the desperation the pies had in the last few seconds clearing from defence. All time classic GF especially if there had been a winner on the day

 

[Pessimistic]

Fondly remember that 2008 PF vs Saints. It was cracking free flowing game up until just after half time when Lyon, fearing the Hawks were getting on top, then switched to his back-line zone/flooding tactics. Thereafter, with no-one ahead of the ball the Saints created turnovers and the Hawks just smashed em'..!!!

It was also Robert Harvey's last match and a life-long Saints member mate just couldn't believe how the match had unfolded (thanks mainly to Lyon's tactics) and was nearly in tears...!!!

Gibbo used to make Riewoldt his bitch. So fun to watch

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Can blame Lyon for having a guy who got 22 disposals, laid 8 tackles and won 5 frees for his team over the first 3 quarters and "forgetting" he was on the bench the entire 4th quarter, then having him leave to the side you drew with the next year. Not a great people manager.

Haha, completely forgot about that. Was that just an honest mistake of his or was he being petty. Surely not not latter.

 

[Pessimistic]

Just remembering the ‘world record pressure’ form freo in their prelim. But it turns out a team can’t do that two weeks in a row.

plus abysmal coaching by Lyon in 2013 GF,when everyone said the wet weather would suit a pressure side, not one playing ‘dinky football’

Cant find the footage but Fyfe admitted they didn’t do any goal kicking practice in the conditions before the game. Game entertainment got in the way. Surely the coaches insist that has to happen. Very swirly conditions.

 

[theiaofseed]

One of carltons pretty reliable itk's has posted on their bored that clarkson is definitely interested in coaching them.

More fools gold for Carlton, you think they would learn by now.

 

[Flukey!]

If Clarko still wants to coach and he ends up at Carlton, well good luck to him.
In my eyes he is entitled to any job he wants.
And he would go with my sincere thanks and best wishes.

 

[Milkshaker]

Carlton...

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lets not visit other boards to report back what they've posted. It just ends in a mess of trolls running back and forth.

Chances are he’ll coach someone else and we’ll be $900k better off for it.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Carltons list isn’t half bad. I think Clarko could have them humming fairly quickly, the big unknown is their club heirachy and culture, which has schtunk up many a coaching career…

 

[hawkman]

Fondly remember that 2008 PF vs Saints. It was cracking free flowing game up until just after half time when Lyon, fearing the Hawks were getting on top, then switched to his back-line zone/flooding tactics. Thereafter, with no-one ahead of the ball the Saints created turnovers and the Hawks just smashed em'..!!!

It was also Robert Harvey's last match and a life-long Saints member mate just couldn't believe how the match had unfolded (thanks mainly to Lyon's tactics) and was nearly in tears...!!!

The 2008 PF was over at HT and probably even 10 minutes before HT

 

[The hands of stone]

Carltons list isn’t half bad. I think Clarko could have them humming fairly quickly, the big unknown is their club heirachy and culture, which has schtunk up many a coaching career…

To be fair I think quite a few coaches out there would have them playing a lot better

 

[daniel23]

If he does take the carlton job I'm assuming that's best case scenario for us and 900k better off? .

 

[deanc]

The 2008 PF was over at HT and probably even 10 minutes before HT

Fair call, but the Hawks had just kicked 7 goals to 1 in the 2nd quarter and Lyon had seen enough. To him losing by 'just' 8 or 9 goals was/is far better than losing by 20...?
Remember this is a man on record once stating; 'Look, you only have to win a match by 1 point, if your total score is 31, 61 or 101, it's irrelevant!'.

As I posted last year, Lyon would probably have been masturbating furiously over some results in 2020, with teams winning after only kicking 4 or 5 goals...

 

[Lickmesocks]

If he does take the carlton job I'm assuming that's best case scenario for us and 900k better off? .

BINGO. Best case scenario.

 

[Davo23]

Fair call, but the Hawks had just kicked 7 goals to 1 in the 2nd quarter and Lyon had seen enough. To him losing by 'just' 8 or 9 goals was/is far better than losing by 20...?
Remember this is man on record once stating; 'Look, you only have to win a match by 1 point, if your total score is 31, 61 or 101, it's irrelevant!'.

As I posted last year, Lyon would probably have been masturbating furiously over some results in 2020, with teams winning after only kicking 4 or 5 goals...

Lyon: a specialist in losing big games, particularly Grand Finals.

He would have been good at Collingwood, would have added to their Grand Final loss record …


.

 

[Kil Phearns]

Lyon and Sheedy - the only coaches to lose a Grand Final against Collingwood since 1958.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

Clarko called it real early!!

 

[Big Hotdog]

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[deanc]

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Along the same lines, over the past six weeks or so there is more than enough interesting narratives, various storylines, antagonists and protagonists, other role players and/or related organizations for a decent TV mini-series.
From the time HFC announced a coaching succession plan, the media driven circus thereafter has included:

HFC tell Clarko to GAGF!
Clarko's manager tells HFC to GAGF!
Kennett tells Clarko to GAGF!
HFC board tells Kennett to GAGF!
Clarko tells HFC board to GAGF!
Mitchell tells Clarko to GAGF!
Kennett tells media to GAGF!
Media claim Mitchell appointment is risky?
Media claim Mitchell has great potential?
Clarko announces he is staying?
CEO/Kennett/Mitchell supports Clarko staying!
Clarko announces he is going?
CEO/Kennett/Mitchell supports Clarko going!
Media claim senior players wanted change?
Kennett tells Media to GAGF again!
HFC CEO also tells media to GAGF!
Numerous Former Hawks coach/players tell HFC to GAGF!
Kennett tells former Hawks coach/players to GAGF!
Media announce HFC has worst list in the AFL?
Media announce HFC list is underrated?

Can someone contact Ricky Gervais to ascertain interest, could be bigger than The Office..?

 

[Cyclops]

May I post in your forum?

I'm an outsider (who knows a few older Hawthorn people, but I'm hardly in the inner circle) with a strong bias against Kennett.

Its very hard to get this right. We famously botched the Malthouse succession plan because McGuire wanted to present supporters with a clean transition and no bad guys. Buckley was tailor made for bad press (I think he's just misunderstood myself, but I see why he's disliked) and Malthouse is even more emotional than he is smart (and he was fairly smart). Whatever the reasoning it was always going to look bad.

I think something similar happened here too. I pay out on Jeff any chance I get, but there's not much more he could do. His presentation was smug (and he's a smug *****, lets agree on that) but the principle was keeping both the master and the apprentice.

Very hard to sack Clarckson, he's a difficult ***** but also the best coach of the 21st century. Do you let him stay until he rots as Brisbane (and to an extent Collingwood) did with Lethal? Arguably he's earned that, but Collingwood and Brisbane bumped along the bottom for a fair stretch before they recovered from that indulgence. There's loyalty and then there's having a brain.

The flip side is going full Carlton and sacking coaches 11 months after a flag (yes kids, Carlton used to win flags-don't ask against who). NEVER GO FULL CARLTON. Maybe its a Collingwood thing to be stupidly loyal, it has its own problems in the salary cap era as we learned recently, but never be like Carlton is a rule for the ages.

You don't want to see a club favourite like Mitchell, who certainly presents as a decent coaching prospect (and done a proper apprenticeship around the league), to fall into the lap of another club: that said he's still just a beginner. Clarckson's success (and his rough personality) and Mitchell's popularity meant the club would be under insane pressure no matter what they did. Sack one too early? let the other slip? There's bad headlines whichever way you go.

Personally I'd be happy to jag either bloke as a coach for the Pies but that's the subject of another thread on another board.

Clarckson has been a great: he was at his best with a quieter president and very sweet assistant (how nice is Fagan? A beauty) and his time was coming: those who argue his time has come may be right. Passionate blokes say silly things and no doubt he's said some silly things recently but hopefully that blows over.

I guess the sting in the tail is Clarckson may have 10 year left in him, enough time to win a flag elsewhere. Mitchell may not be a great or even a good coach, but those are the risks you take: as a prospect other clubs were very hot for him, so no one can say Hawthorn has blundered in grabbing him.

As an aside I hope Kennet gets tarred and feathered, but this situation isn't really a huge blunder by him: there was no way to move the chess pieces you have at Hawthorn without the board flipping.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Wanted man: 10 clubs make contact with Clarko

Since his services became potentially available, Clarkson has been the subject of interest from no fewer than 10 of the 17 rival clubs.

Not all of those inquiries were about a senior coaching role, some being as a mentor, others as a director of football.

 

[TP86]

Media's going to spin this as: Hawthorn damaging their draft pick, sacked a great coach, young players aren't that good etc etc.

Instead of acknowledging there's a new lease of life because of the difficult decision that had to be made.

The future is bright and Jeff deserves credit for persisting to make the right call.

I hope Clarkson does boil piss and stick it to the media by taking the year off. Pay the mil just for that alone. Look at what a year out of footy has done to Ross Lyon's stocks. For all Clarkson knows, Hardwick might be on the market this time next year to destroy his leverage the same way he's destroyed Lyons'. There are no guarantees in this game.