Coach Clarkson has left the building

[Strapping Young Lad]

This is what I'll never understand, it's not a Collingwood situation of moving a coach on from the back of a grand final. It's genuinely frustrating that so many people see Hawthorn's performance when good to be purely Clarkson, and when poor to be purely the quality of the list.

I love Clarkson for all that he’s done, always will, but you’re spot on.

In a Foxsports article today.

“Maybe Clarkson has never been more determined to stick a virtual middle finger up, specially at a certain president on his club’s board. Maybe he’s treating this as an audition for a future coaching role. Maybe he’s giving the club he’s already given so much to just a little more love.

Maybe it’s all three.”


Maybe give some credit to the players and the list, or perhaps question why it’s taken until now for Clarkson to be so driven?

I mean we lost to North and the Crows, it must be remembered, with a healthier list.

 

[MrPremiership]

Hawks win - "Clarko is a genius"

Hawks lose - "Hawk's list is rubbish"

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Hopefully he can finish his tenure at the Hawks with 4 straight wins.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hopefully he can finish his tenure at the Hawks with 4 straight wins.

Absolutely.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Fun fact. Clarkson currently has a 10-11 coaching record vs the Tigers, if we win this weekend and he levels that up the only club he has a losing record against after his 390 game tenure at the Hawks is the Cats.

 

[HairyO]

If it took getting sacked to change the gameplan to a running, modern style, then the right call was made.

What did we do differently in the Swans game vs the Dogs game? Or the GWS game or the Melbourne game vs the Dogs game?

 

[JoondalupJ]

I think the change in game plan was more about the long run of injuries mandating a change. I get your point though.

Clarko stole the corridor from The Dogs, that's him no one else, and this modern game as you say is not real football to the extent that all we see is whack it on the boot hope for the best defending ball generally comes back, kick to kick, up and down the boundary for unending ball ups and horrid looking locked down packs and the packs and the flooding from Eade's and Roosy's days was a menace brought in for winning at all costs, and the AFL allowed it then pumped it up with rukle fiddling until we get umpires picking frees from deliberate out of bound reading players minds, free 50 metre penalties for straying inside a kickers "space" for crying out loud. Because of non flowing the AFL decide to bring in the statue "stand" rule did open up the game at times but 50 metre penalties for running inside a space you are not even aware of is a joke, a free kick against you because under pressure you kick it and it rolls out of bounds bingo free kick, how many people in footbal;l circles of memeberships and following this game cannot see the stop start innihilation of this unique supposedly open running sport like no one else on the planet plays, yes we still see a handful of brilliant high marks, we used to see chamopions swap high marks once upon a time, now you've all heard me whine about the game and the time frame, since early 2000's the AFL began to crucify the rules to eventually help as they knew they were diluting the competition and lowering the standard , with two new clubs in a 25 million people population, SO HERE'S THE CLARKO PRAISE FOR THIS ERA, OF GAME DESTRUCTION.
Here was a bloke who demanded good people around him who demanded good character from his men and boys , who invented a teamship unlike any other by the Kokoda track pre season stuff, here is a bloke that trained and trained and trained his men so they could not just read their opponents they read each other like well worn books, they knew exactly what to do where to go and they got instilled into them by this man the need for the flag in 2008 and you know what in ROUND17 V Cats that year I said to my sons when we lost by around a goal to Geelong "we can win the flag, we just proved it today" I bet thats what Clarko said to himself we can get this mob! Then the relentlessness of that Grand Final victory.
After that Alastair Clarkson simply improved the knowledge of each player with another team mate and those blokes looked unbelievable because they were untouchable 95% of the time in a game, "keepings off" was Hawthorn speciality, thats how they got away with 5 grand finals and four premierships 3 in a row!!!! And dodged the rule murdering!
Other clubs tried but couldn't match them , then when the older ones began to slow up in their near past peak, Clarko started moving them on you know who?
He began a new rebuild when Sam went to the Eagles, this year HE has by the last game set up with depth another group with something different to anyone else, a Clarko platoon.hope Sam can keep it up. We beat a top side and draw another and beat another , we avoided being free kicked out of games because no one could get the ball off us in important parts of the game, they looked like they just knew where the team mate was, some have tried to equal that in other clubs , well , no one will ever ever equal it for ten years or moreover his career at Hawthorn, no other club will ever in this mashed up misture of a game ever win 3 peats, and WE HAVE GIVEN THE MIND MACHINE AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who is happy about this, on top of it Sam has a hell of a proving job to do when he should have waited 3 more years for what he was always going to get! Hawthorn Coaching Job CLARKO should have had another chance and I will never forgive my club for this, but I won't desert them either. GO HAWKS!

 

[Stratton24]

Clarko stole the corridor from The Dogs, that's him no one else, and this modern game as you say is not real football to the extent that all we see is whack it on the boot hope for the best defending ball generally comes back, kick to kick, up and down the boundary for unending ball ups and horrid looking locked down packs and the packs and the flooding from Eade's and Roosy's days was a menace brought in for winning at all costs, and the AFL allowed it then pumped it up with rukle fiddling until we get umpires picking frees from deliberate out of bound reading players minds, free 50 metre penalties for straying inside a kickers "space" for crying out loud. Because of non flowing the AFL decide to bring in the statue "stand" rule did open up the game at times but 50 metre penalties for running inside a space you are not even aware of is a joke, a free kick against you because under pressure you kick it and it rolls out of bounds bingo free kick, how many people in footbal;l circles of memeberships and following this game cannot see the stop start innihilation of this unique supposedly open running sport like no one else on the planet plays, yes we still see a handful of brilliant high marks, we used to see chamopions swap high marks once upon a time, now you've all heard me whine about the game and the time frame, since early 2000's the AFL began to crucify the rules to eventually help as they knew they were diluting the competition and lowering the standard , with two new clubs in a 25 million people population, SO HERE'S THE CLARKO PRAISE FOR THIS ERA, OF GAME DESTRUCTION.
Here was a bloke who demanded good people around him who demanded good character from his men and boys , who invented a teamship unlike any other by the Kokoda track pre season stuff, here is a bloke that trained and trained and trained his men so they could not just read their opponents they read each other like well worn books, they knew exactly what to do where to go and they got instilled into them by this man the need for the flag in 2008 and you know what in ROUND17 V Cats that year I said to my sons when we lost by around a goal to Geelong "we can win the flag, we just proved it today" I bet thats what Clarko said to himself we can get this mob! Then the relentlessness of that Grand Final victory.
After that Alastair Clarkson simply improved the knowledge of each player with another team mate and those blokes looked unbelievable because they were untouchable 95% of the time in a game, "keepings off" was Hawthorn speciality, thats how they got away with 5 grand finals and four premierships 3 in a row!!!! And dodged the rule murdering!
Other clubs tried but couldn't match them , then when the older ones began to slow up in their near past peak, Clarko started moving them on you know who?
He began a new rebuild when Sam went to the Eagles, this year HE has by the last game set up with depth another group with something different to anyone else, a Clarko platoon.hope Sam can keep it up. We beat a top side and draw another and beat another , we avoided being free kicked out of games because no one could get the ball off us in important parts of the game, they looked like they just knew where the team mate was, some have tried to equal that in other clubs , well , no one will ever ever equal it for ten years or moreover his career at Hawthorn, no other club will ever in this mashed up misture of a game ever win 3 peats, and WE HAVE GIVEN THE MIND MACHINE AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who is happy about this, on top of it Sam has a hell of a proving job to do when he should have waited 3 more years for what he was always going to get! Hawthorn Coaching Job CLARKO should have had another chance and I will never forgive my club for this, but I won't desert them either. GO HAWKS!

we have a coaching panel - what if our midfield coach finally got to play how he wanted?

 

[play2win]

I think it is reasonable to say that Sam is currently driving the bus for team selection and positioning of players.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

we have a coaching panel - what if our midfield coach finally got to play how he wanted?

you would hope he's always been able to implement his ideas otherwise what's the point of having line coaches

although given its been Bolton this year, maybe its better if he didn't..

 

[Pessimistic]

We have never leaked like this before! And I would still love to see the whole thing turned around, I am heartbroken that the man that has been instrumental this year of settling and turning our team into another group with massive potential, they stole the corridor off The Dogs , and we will give Richmond a run too, so for me I will not be celebrasting , nor will I be involved in any fancy pants send off that Reeves talks about "appropriate recognition????" for Alastair he doesn't need appropriate recognition he already has it, he is still the best there is, and WE ARE THROWING HIM INTO THE RUBBISH TIP, WITH IDIOTS ON THE BOARD TELLING THE PEOPLE THAT HE DOESN'T FIT AFTER 2022 THEN AN UNTRIED YOUNG FELLOW GETS TO SAY I 'D RATHER COACH WITHOUT HAVING ALASTAIR WATCHING OVER HIM????
What does that say about how this panned out, Mr Reeves sends out platitides to members even personal explanations , but really says nothing at all except how great Alastair has been for our club HE IS THE CLUB right now,

The truth is inside the mess with the Mitchell Collingwood leak. A SEND OFF ?????????????????????????????????????????
He will coach against us next time he is in football, what kind of absolute nonsense went on at Hawthorn.

The worst thing is the real truth is not yet being told, we might all be wrong, he might have wanted out who cares, he might have wanted more money, EASY give it to him, point being he's going and I will never be happy about it until someone tells the truth from Hawthorn and that is my problem it feels like excuse making and lying!
And the best coach in 40 yeatrs is gone, anyone see us play on Saturday, hah, not bad hey?

AGM should be interesting this year, if the cowards are brave enough to hold one

(I’m reminded of the time Jeff announced the closure of the glenferrie social club a week after the AGM. He is not the fearless leader myth tells us)

 

[Pessimistic]

I think it is reasonable to say that Sam is currently driving the bus for team selection and positioning of players.

then why isn’t the club saying this openly?

 

[Pessimistic]

I like to say thanks to people for admitting they have a bias. it is a sign of a healthy emotional development. There are 133 cogitative biases. He admitted to one. I would suggest you are guilty of at least one.

Clarko is gone.
Jeff is not ( yet ).
Have a sook.

mitchell was also stripped of the hawthorn captaincy. Can we have endless posts explaining that one?

 

[Pessimistic]

I think the change in game plan was more about the long run of injuries mandating a change. I get your point though.

‘or the player improving handball and spread within the game plan. The doggies win was still about defence, and the disposal inside 50 was still way off

 

[Stratton24]

mitchell was also stripped of the hawthorn captaincy. Can we have endless posts explaining that one?

Sam handed over to Hodge, it was his decision

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Was it ever just one of them driving the bus?

Clarko is now one game away from his retirment from hawthorn coach.

Less pressure on him after the season was dead cooked.
Less pressure on the players
More certainty on the future
Players performing for their next contract (and next senior coach)
Positional moves (that happen every year at this time when we're in dead rubber season)
Players giving Clarko a send off

There's 6 reasons we might be performing better.
Why does it have to be directly attributable to the decision making of Clarkson or Mitchell?

 

[hawkman]

What did we do differently in the Swans game vs the Dogs game? Or the GWS game or the Melbourne game vs the Dogs game?

Biggest difference is our wins is having a hard nut in the middle (either Newcombe or Nash) since the bye. Only in the Melbourne draw were both of them missing. Of our 3 poorest performances since the bye 2 of them had neither of them in the middle.

 

[HairyO]

Biggest difference is our wins is having a hard nut in the middle (either Newcombe or Nash) since the bye. Only in the Melbourne draw were both of them missing. Of our 3 poorest performances since the bye 2 of them had neither of them in the middle.

We won the centre clearances against the Swans. Mostly by Ceglar (and also around the ground).

We lost the centre clearances against the Giants with Worpel JOM and Ceglar getting the vast majority of our clearances.

Clearly it wasnt just "throw Nash in the middle". Our game plan has evolved as different players have been used.

 

[MinerBoy]

Fun fact. Clarkson currently has a 10-11 coaching record vs the Tigers, if we win this weekend and he levels that up the only club he has a losing record against after his 390 game tenure at the Hawks is the Cats.

That fact isn't all that fun lol

 

[bris tarangau]

When I think of the Hawthorn legendary winning values and who drove these, I think of Kennedy, Jeans, and Clarko.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

That fact isn't all that fun lol

Does the fact Clarko is 3-2 in Finals and 2-0 in knockout finals vs the Cats make you feel better ?

 

[Kanga Commando]

mitchell was also stripped of the hawthorn captaincy. Can we have endless posts explaining that one?

I didnt make the first post FFS.

I said thanks to them for not being ******ed by their own personal biases.

 

[Kanga Commando]

‘or the player improving handball and spread within the game plan. The doggies win was still about defence, and the disposal inside 50 was still way off

Whatever

 

[Accipiter]

Or perhaps your coaches thought you needed the fill out a bit so they were asking you to; 'Go And Get a Feed', so you could then help the team to 'Go And Get a Flag'....

I thought GAGF meant:- 'Give Andrew Gaze a Flogging' ... Could never understand it because he always talks the Hawks up on 'Bounce', turns out that I was wrong.

 

[Pessimistic]

Biggest difference is our wins is having a hard nut in the middle (either Newcombe or Nash) since the bye. Only in the Melbourne draw were both of them missing. Of our 3 poorest performances since the bye 2 of them had neither of them in the middle.

Clarko spoke at length about the midfield mix issue early in the season did he not?