Club song: send us or send up?

[lukep_86]

I'm mid 30s and I've always thought/known it was us.

 

[Rosscoe]

I have always believed it to be send up.


send up

phrasal verb of send

1. 1.
   give an exaggerated imitation of someone or something in order to ridicule them.
   "we used to send him up something rotten"

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Up.

Deal with it.

 

[ianh]

Surely "UP" to make it rhyme.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I've always gone with us. The opposition are sending their champions to play us.

Unless we were the most Northerly team in those days or had the highest altitude, does up really make that much sense?

Also, ending consecutive lines with the same word ... grrr

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Dude, they rhyme well enough.

I've always thought it was "us" and I've been singing it for over 50 years. At no time did I think it didn't make sense, because of the reason I'm suggesting. Personally, I prefer the more nuanced and subtle use of "us".

But, there's obviously confusion and it has changed over different generations. So it will remain as a question to which there is no longer one "right" answer.

I'm with you all the way.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Up.

Deal with it.

Meh ... Adelaide water ....

 

[OldBlueFan]

This really is quite a silly debate, but ... strangely compelling.

At the end of the day, there are so many mondegreens that become common usage, that there really is no right or wrong answer. There are probably as many fans who sing "up" as there are who sing "us", so common usage rules dictate that either is "acceptable".

But having said that, they're singing about opposition clubs sending their champions to challenge the navy blues. Warriors are sent "in" to battle, they aren't sent "up" to battle. But you can say that their champions are being sent "to us" or "at us" for a battle. So I reckon the original author probably penned it as "With all the champions they like to send us, we'll keep our end up". Especially considering the times in which the song was originally written.

After all is said and done though, I think this one fits firmly in the "whatever seems right to you" category. So the ultimate answer to the OP question?

Q: Club song: send us or send up?
A: Yes

 

[JustaBattler]

send UP makes the most sense - because it refers to the the notion of opponents challenging with their champions
and
Carltons response is "we'll keep our end UP
followed by the ending
and they will know they have been playing the etc etc..

whilst send us makes no sense what so ever- who sends us champions --?

 

[KohPhi]

It's always been 'us' as I know.

Having said that, I'd be happy to accept 'up' if I have to read/listen to the song another 14 odd times this season.

 

[OldBlueFan]

send UP makes the most sense - because it refers to the the notion of opponents challenging with their champions
and
Carltons response is "we'll keep our end UP
followed by the ending
and they will know they have been playing the etc etc..

whilst send us makes no sense what so ever- who sends us champions --?

JAB, look at my post above yours. Think about the times in which the song was written. To suggest "us" makes "no sense whatsoever", is just plain wrong when there is a perfectly good explanation as to why it might have been used.

Also, if it makes no sense, why is it painted that way on the change room walls? Surely with all the very smart people who've been involved with the club over the years, one of them would have said "hang on folks, THAT MAKES NO SENSE", and convinced others to have it corrected.

 

[GinTonic]

This really is quite a silly debate, but ... strangely compelling.

At the end of the day, there are so many mondegreens that become common usage, that there really is no right or wrong answer. There are probably as many fans who sing "up" as there are who sing "us", so common usage rules dictate that either is "acceptable".

But having said that, they're singing about opposition clubs sending their champions to challenge the navy blues. Warriors are sent "in" to battle, they aren't sent "up" to battle. But you can say that their champions are being sent "to us" or "at us" for a battle. So I reckon the original author probably penned it as "With all the champions they like to send us, we'll keep our end up". Especially considering the times in which the song was originally written.

After all is said and done though, I think this one fits firmly in the "whatever seems right to you" category. So the ultimate answer to the OP question?

Q: Club song: send us or send up?
A: Yes

I've emailed the club OldBlueFan to get to the bottom of this. If 'us' is written on the change room walls I'm a bit perplexed why we have changed it to read as "up" during our games.

The reason I asked this question was because it reminded me of Richmond a few years ago and their song with "skin" v "shin", where they ended up rerecording the song to sound like "shin". I thought that maybe our club is doing something similar but instead of rerecording, they are simply going with what the song sounds like which is the word "up".

 

[Bletch]

This really is quite a silly debate, but ... strangely compelling.

At the end of the day, there are so many mondegreens that become common usage, that there really is no right or wrong answer. There are probably as many fans who sing "up" as there are who sing "us", so common usage rules dictate that either is "acceptable".

But having said that, they're singing about opposition clubs sending their champions to challenge the navy blues. Warriors are sent "in" to battle, they aren't sent "up" to battle. But you can say that their champions are being sent "to us" or "at us" for a battle. So I reckon the original author probably penned it as "With all the champions they like to send us, we'll keep our end up". Especially considering the times in which the song was originally written.

After all is said and done though, I think this one fits firmly in the "whatever seems right to you" category. So the ultimate answer to the OP question?

Q: Club song: send us or send up?
A: Yes

Makes you wonder if 'champions' in this context was used then as we often use 'champ' now - to alpha someone.

 

[JustaBattler]

JAB, look at my post above yours. Think about the times in which the song was written. To suggest "us" makes "no sense whatsoever", is just plain wrong when there is a perfectly good explanation as to why it might have been used.

Also, if it makes no sense, why is it painted that way on the change room walls? Surely with all the very smart people who've been involved with the club over the years, one of them would have said "hang on folks, THAT MAKES NO SENSE", and convinced others to have it corrected.

I dont think there is a grammatical rule that can be cited no is there a common usage rule more can there be reference to the actual melody for any insight - but there are historical pointers that suggest that send us is a more modern change....

I guess I try and deconstruct the whole thing with reference to the internal flow and logic and typical nature of 'refrain' and I come up with send up -

Now as for send in versus send up as per your example - I think either could and has been used so there is conclusive evidence there either.

I must admit to having spent some time ruminating on the matter because the phrase "send us" ( for reasons previously posted) has always been a bit NQR to my ears.

I love the melody and the whole spirit of the song and stopped really caring about either use - and I suspect no one really does. It expresses an easy going feeling of confidence to me - in the vein of 'we don't care who or what you bring to play' ' you will know you've been playing the Blues etc.." - love that.

 

[forever blue 1]

I’ve only ever know it to be Us
How odd
Lyrically you don’t normally have the same word in two sentences
But hey
Is it train or plane with cold chiesel’s Khe Sanh?
That I’ve never known amd never googled not being a big fan

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I have always sung “us” but “up” does make far more sense.

As long as we’re singing I don’t mind.

 

[forever blue 1]

I have always sung “us” but “up” does make far more sense.

As long as we’re singing I don’t mind.

You shall sing more
And you shall like it !

 

[agro]

My contention, and I have no evidence for this is, that it’s “send up” - purely because of the era that the lyrics were written, being post The Great War/First World War.

Your sending your troops UP to the front to fight.

So “with all the champions they like to send up we’ll keep our end up” refers to all the players that come to our club (that is being recruited to our club) are being sent up to “the front” - “we’ll keep our end up”.

 

[forever blue 1]

I’m just so over the moon
It’s funny how a team you love can start winning and show genuine signs of success can change one's entire outlook on simple life
Wisdom should allow that individual to be see the general life the same even if losing
But gee
I ain’t confusius

 

[SBYM]

WTF is wrong with you sheeple?!?!?!

They're the BerenSTEIN Bears!!!!

Anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand!

 

[Baggers]

My head hurts now
I'm mid 50's and it has always been up.
Singing it loud & proud after the siren last night, and the teenagers in front of us were singing us.

 

[forever blue 1]

My contention, and I have no evidence for this is, that it’s “send up” - purely because of the era that the lyrics were written, being post The Great War/First World War.

Your sending your troops UP to the front to fight.

So “with all the champions they like to send up we’ll keep our end up” refers to all the players that come to our club (that is being recruited to our club) are being sent up to “the front” - “we’ll keep our end up”.

Send would me us
Not up
Surely

My head hurts now
I'm mid 50's and it has always been up.
Singing it loud & proud after the siren last night, and the teenagers in front of us were singing us.

Everythings feels right to me now
Not the results
But I watch the individual players, the way they are treating each other
We have turned a massive corner now
It gives me shivers
We are a TEAM now and it’s took 20 years but we now are a team
Wow
Buckle up
This could mean long term success guys !
I’m over the moon !!!!!
Understatement

 

[gab213]

Have never known it as anything other than 'us' in more than 50 years of singing the song.

 

[forever blue 1]

Have never known it as anything other than 'us' in more than 50 years of singing the song.

Gab
You amd I
Let’s just keep singing Us

 

[OldBlueFan]

I dont think there is a grammatical rule that can be cited no is there a common usage rule more can there be reference to the actual melody for any insight - but there are historical pointers that suggest that send us is a more modern change....

I guess I try and deconstruct the whole thing with reference to the internal flow and logic and typical nature of 'refrain' and I come up with send up -

Now as for send in versus send up as per your example - I think either could and has been used so there is conclusive evidence there either.

I must admit to having spent some time ruminating on the matter because the phrase "send us" ( for reasons previously posted) has always been a bit NQR to my ears.

I love the melody and the whole spirit of the song and stopped really caring about either use - and I suspect no one really does. It expresses an easy going feeling of confidence to me - in the vein of 'we don't care who or what you bring to play' ' you will know you've been playing the Blues etc.." - love that.

Yeah, totally. And in that context, it doesn't matter which it is, it's just 2 ways of saying the same thing. When you consider the mood/frame of mind folks are in when it gets sung, I doubt anyone is caring about up versus us, they're just rapt that they're getting to sing it at all. Especially given recent times (can you still say "recent" when it's been 20+ years?).