Opinion Coach: James Hird

Essendon supporters only - Should James Hird be sacked?

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Mr Mojo Risin said:
*sigh*

I'm not saying there aren't other issues aside from ASADA and they would magically disappear with a non-guilty CAS verdict, but right now it's near on impossible to tell the forest from the trees because of it all.

Now is the time for careful decisions that are based on all the information, not just game results and bits 'n' pieces. Not just on whether an individual is under performing but why. That goes from the board to the rookie list.

You can't just say regardless of the ASADA situation a certain level must be reached and if it's not then that person needs to go. It's far too complex. If a person is to be determined to be under performing to a level warranting either delisting, trading, firing etc then the determination must be made with ASADA saga in mind, not regardless of it. Do you see the difference?

I'm grateful Neale Daniher is reviewing our club, I think it's an inspired choice.
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Things like the selection. That has nought to do with ASADA and it's been horrendous all year. That doesn't give people a lot of faith that a lot of things will get better if we're in the clear.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Selection has nothing to do with ASADA? Surely you're not that naive.
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So the continued non-selection of Kavanagh whilst Steinberg and Gleeson seem undroppable is somehow related to ASADA?

The continued selection of Jake Melksham and David Zaharakis in the absence of any form, ASADA?

The non-placement of Myers on the LTI list, forcing us to play an injured Bellchambers instead of McKernan

The non-selection of Giles

The blatant different standards in selection among different players

All ASADA?
 

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Thread grows by 8 pages after a loss while the autopsy thread is up to page four :rolleyes:
 
MarkG said:
There are young top draft picks such as Bontompelli and Stringer and young pick 37's. Bulldogs have the former. You also have top up players, but your nucleus is the top guys.

Bombers have been deprived of draft picks.

Who are your 2014 picks? Laverde and Langford are coming along well.

You guys did well to off load Cooney.
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Fair enough...I was simply curious as to whether this board believed it was a legitimate excuse or simply a convenient one.

Our 2014 draft picks were McLean (looked pretty good until he injured his shoulder), Bailey Dale (slightly framed midfielder who hasn't looked out of his depth in seniors), Lucas Webb (poised left footer), Zaine Cordy (well rated but been injured most of year), Caleb Daniel (been a surprise packet) and Declan Hamilton (developing quite well at Footscray). Beveridge has managed to instil a gameplan that enables young blokes to come in and play a meaningful role. Really happy with our 2014 group but it seems everything has clicked for us this year. Been a far more difficult environment for your young blokes to come into I imagine.
 
Big Wilbur said:
Serious question. In light of the bulldog's performance this year how do you feel about Hird regularly throwing up the excuse you have a very young side?
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In all seriousness I think it is a real lesson for what can be achieved but it's not about being young it's about respecting the attributes required to play really good footy in this era (and we given hundreds of games to players who ultimately do not have what it takes purely because they are senior) and selecting players on merit rather than persisting with seniority.

Necessity is the mother of invention and I think that you'd not be in the position you are if it wasn't for the 'exodus' last year so I'm not sure there isn't a fair bit of luck involved, but I don't really care because fortune often favours the brave.

We did not need to let this situation turn so bad before acting. We should have been including players like Edwards, McKernan, Dalgleish, Laverde and Browne into the team before it fell into the hole it is currently in.
 
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Big Wilbur said:
Fair enough...I was simply curious as to whether this board believed it was a legitimate excuse or simply a convenient one.

Our 2014 draft picks were McLean (looked pretty good until he injured his shoulder), Bailey Dale (slightly framed midfielder who hasn't looked out of his depth in seniors), Lucas Webb (poised left footer), Zaine Cordy (well rated but been injured most of year), Caleb Daniel (been a surprise packet) and Declan Hamilton (developing quite well at Footscray). Beveridge has managed to instil a gameplan that enables young blokes to come in and play a meaningful role. Really happy with our 2014 group but it seems everything has clicked for us this year. Been a far more difficult environment for your young blokes to come into I imagine.
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A family member of mine was seated next to Cooney at an EFC function earlier this year.

He had a good chat to him, Cooney said he wasn't surprised at all by the progress of the Dogs as he said they're really, really talented.

Also said he thought the change in coach would be good, reckoned McCartney knew his stuff but was a very poor communicator particularly with the young players.

Also thought the departure of Griffen wouldn't be an altogether bad thing, Murphy is a far better leader and always should have been captain.
 
ManWithNoName said:
So the continued non-selection of Kavanagh whilst Steinberg and Gleeson seem undroppable is somehow related to ASADA?

The continued selection of Jake Melksham and David Zaharakis in the absence of any form, ASADA?

The non-placement of Myers on the LTI list, forcing us to play an injured Bellchambers instead of McKernan

The non-selection of Giles

The blatant different standards in selection among different players

All ASADA?
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Did I say it was all ASADA? You said it had nothing to do with ASADA. Do you imagine there isn't consideration and more patience shown for some senior players who have previous form like Zaharakis, Bellchambers and Melksham?

Do you think the club may not be wary of not doing so with players that have already been mistreated by the club? Do you think consideration to player game based contracts or keeping the core group happy in the aim of preventing an exodus from required players isn't occurring?

How do you think our core senior list would respond to club ignoring the saga when it came to performance and selection?

To mention Myers in the Hird thread is disingenuous. That was a list management error. For that matter to consider selection in the Hird thread isn't a great deal different being that Hird is only one of several responsible for selection and from what I understand doesn't even have the most say.

Mentioning Giles is silly too. Came back from preseason over weight and under prepared. As far as I'm concerned I'm pleased with the fact they kept him waiting and working.

Kavanagh...a player who asked to leave last year, had no takers, remains uncontracted with underwhelming performance in the AFL. Couldn't imagine any reasons he may not be being played more. Personally I'd like to see him given more of a chance but I can see many reasons why he legitimately may not be.

Steinberg...a player who hasn't been given much of a chance prior to this year who cannot be re-rookied after this year. A player who wasn't given a chance until we were out of contention and had injuries to Carlisle then Hurley. He hasn't been up to scratch but given the situation can understand the selection even if I might have another preference.

Gleeson...I'm glad he is in the team. Very promising IMO and definitely worth the effort and development.
 
kelvin_sheedy said:
I'll see you guys next week. Same time, same bat channel.
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Kelvin, with your history as a poster going back many years, you're the last person who should be calling others drama queens mate.
 
yodellinhank said:
Ok, nobody else call anyone a drama queen.
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DapperJong said:
what was it?
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Journalist-"how did you pull up injury wise james?"
JH-"me? I pulled up fine. Made it up and down the stairs a few times alright"

"No im not sure looks at this stage gwilts has a sore groin bla bla bla"
 
Mercurial89 said:
Journalist-"how did you pull up injury wise james?"
JH-"me? I pulled up fine. Made it up and down the stairs a few times alright"

"No im not sure looks at this stage gwilts has a sore groin bla bla bla"
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Clearly not taking shit seriously...
 
Doss said:
How dare Hird have a joke?

Sack him.
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That son of a bitch is just not morose enough for my liking! He should be! I said he should be sacked!

- Caroline Wilson
 
scezza said:
Clearly not taking shit seriously...
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I really liked it. We all know he is pretty vanilla when it comes to media work. But this just shows he is trying to lighten the mood, Bomber did it last year and everyone loved it.

Its a game, we need to get back to enjoying it instead of this thread becoming a warzone after every loss. Just as Hird and the players need to learn to love the game and industry again so do we as supporters.

Makes everything so much better if we can all have a laugh about stuff.
 
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