Opinion Collingwood Almanac 2016

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Have they been linked?

Na but both teams seem to end up with tjese type of players....just a gut feel

 

[MagpieBat]

Thoughts on Mihocek, Knightmare?

 

[Knightmare]

Thoughts on Mihocek, Knightmare?

Ok backman.

Something like a slightly worse Scharenberg.

Lacks athleticism but is an able intercepter who can play either as a general defender or undersized key defender.

Wouldn't take myself, but could be in the rookie mix.

 

[Knightmare]

Peter Wright only signed a 1 year contract extension this year to take him until the end of the 2017 season.

He'd have to be someone on our radar come next year.

Would love to have Wright at Collingwood!

He's as good as Moore.

Ideally offseason target for 2017 and ideal compliment to Moore.

 

[TradeDraft]

30 Willem Drew 188cm, 78kg inside mid
46 Ben Ronke 181cm, 75kg forward /inside mid
52 Lachlan Tiziani 189cm, 82kg forward
65 Brodie Romensky 189cm, 88kg Inside midfield/general defence
70 Brett Eddy193cm, 93kg forward

I'd take that result in the real draft. Really would like Eddy.

I'm semi- romantic about the father sons, I'd like to see the boys at Collingwood but think if taken it will most likely be at the expense of getting the best players. Both could be up against it to male their AFL careers.

Don't you Rate our Inside Mids with Drafting so Many you Picked

 

[TradeDraft]

Would love to have Wright at Collingwood!

He's as good as Moore.

Ideally offseason target for 2017 and ideal compliment to Moore.

Would love him too and De Goey is Good Looking Prospect but I think Hine made a Mistake passing on Wright

 

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Would love him too and De Goey is Good Looking Prospect but I think Hine made a Mistake passing on Wright

Been discussed to death however i agree and i still think wright was pretty obvious at the time

 

[Knightmare]

Don't you Rate our Inside Mids with Drafting so Many you Picked

Our inside mids are middle of the range in my view as a group.

In saying that, statistics suggest our midfield is near bottom with the club 14th in centre clearances and clearances this season. Pendlebury attracts a hard tag, then our other mids don't have the power through the midfield to make those numbers better. As Grundy develops as a ruckman that will help, but Treloar, Sidebottom, Adams, those guys aren't big guys. We need next level standard contested ball winners.

We have substantial depth of inside midfielders but the stats are very clear and with Drew and Ronke particularly on a high level for winning the contested ball and clearances by junior standards, they may become good enough to push some others out onto wings or flanks.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Lot's are upset about my non-selection of the father sons, but at the end of the day I could't justify players who I rated outside my top 45 where there were players available still inside my top 30. It's just common sense recruiting with a view towards getting the best available players and ensuring I secure the players I rate.

Fortunately in the drafting community and clubland each of my first four selections others don't rate as highly as I do which just means I could get the players I wanted.

Brown is small and a not a good kick and Daicos is small and also allergic to allergic to the contest, so neither are players I would prioritise even if they do each have their respective. Daicos' skills also while silky at times can also be on/off. So while f/s selections often are successful and outperform their draft position, neither inspire me with great confidence.

The Collingwood recruiters rate both more highly than I do. But that's their call.



Clubs are usually very reasonable and generally very conservative with regards to bidding on players. Teams don't do it unnecessarily and haven't just to force a club to take them earlier than they should.

It just comes back to with the pick that will be used to secure either, are they the best available player or not? If not, then take the guy who is. If they're the best there? Welcome to Collingwood.



In the above draft I took fairly immediate and ready to go players. Ronke and Tiziani are both top agers. Drew and Romensky are very advanced for their ages (Drew was in bests 14/15 games for North Ballarat Rebels, Romensky 12/15 games).

None of them look likely to struggle as Sier, our first selection from last year has.



Adams' kicking is better and now acceptable.

I can't agree on Adams winning the Copeland.

Pendlebury and Treloar were both clearly better with others debatably better.



There is quite a bit of interest this year in Eddy.

Port Adelaide are expected to take him if no one else does before them, either late draft or as a rookie. There is believed to be another 1-2 clubs considering him.

In Port's situation Eddy is something like a better Schulz.

For Collingwood, if Moore misses a game, Eddy is very clearly in my mind the replacement and able to replace his impact comfortably.

Eddy also is very suitable to have playing alongside Moore in the front half, and mobile enough along with Moore to allow a Cox to be accommodated in the same front half without feeling too tall.

Losing Cloke, Eddy in our situation is the best possible replacement.

I'm loving the way you go about explaining your positions.
Agree or disagree is up to the reader.
But the logic you espouse is there to place your position, I like that.

I'm coming around to the feeling that maybe both the father sons are better to pass on if there is clearly better stock. It's that simple.

I'd prefer to have a solid to excellent ten year player like say James Clement or Steele Sidebottom than wait ten years for junior Picken to have a break out few games or season.

But I'll trust in the recruiters on our f/s true value. Be interesting.

Re: Sier he is an example of waiting a few years to know if he delivers on the promise the recruiters saw or it's a bust.

Win some, lose some.
I'm very pragmatic about these things.

 

[Knightmare]

I'm loving the way you go about explaining your positions.
Agree or disagree is up to the reader.
But the logic you espouse is there to place your position, I like that.

I'm coming around to the feeling that maybe both the father sons are better to pass on if there is clearly better stock. It's that simple.

I'd prefer to have a solid to excellent ten year player like say James Clement or Steele Sidebottom than wait ten years for junior Picken to have a break out few games or season.

But I'll trust in the recruiters on our f/s true value. Be interesting.

Re: Sier he is an example of waiting a few years to know if he delivers on the promise the recruiters saw or it's a bust.

Win some, lose some.
I'm very pragmatic about these things.

Completing a business degree previously my writing as a result has very much become - gather relevant evidence and examples to express your perspective or your perspective is invalid.

The club just as I did in the bigfooty phantom draft will make their own decisions and back themselves in.

We'll have to wait and see what they do.

 

[doodles98]

Our inside mids are middle of the range in my view as a group.

In saying that, statistics suggest our midfield is near bottom with the club 14th in centre clearances and clearances this season. Pendlebury attracts a hard tag, then our other mids don't have the power through the midfield to make those numbers better. As Grundy develops as a ruckman that will help, but Treloar, Sidebottom, Adams, those guys aren't big guys. We need next level standard contested ball winners.

We have substantial depth of inside midfielders but the stats are very clear and with Drew and Ronke particularly on a high level for winning the contested ball and clearances by junior standards, they may become good enough to push some others out onto wings or flanks.

You are right as usual.. Given our recruiting being heavily focused on midfielders and contested footy grunters; together with our gameplan style of trying to outnumber at the contest.. I find it very worrying that we are only 8th in contested disposals, 15th in overall clearances and centre clearances. These are the stats we should be doing ok in. I think we have the players to be doing better than this so it makes me question the set ups we are using. I don't know enough about it but what do you think of our stoppage/ centre clearance sets ups?

 

[doodles98]

I'm loving the way you go about explaining your positions.
Agree or disagree is up to the reader.
But the logic you espouse is there to place your position, I like that.

I'm coming around to the feeling that maybe both the father sons are better to pass on if there is clearly better stock. It's that simple.

I'd prefer to have a solid to excellent ten year player like say James Clement or Steele Sidebottom than wait ten years for junior Picken to have a break out few games or season.

But I'll trust in the recruiters on our f/s true value. Be interesting.

Re: Sier he is an example of waiting a few years to know if he delivers on the promise the recruiters saw or it's a bust.

Win some, lose some.
I'm very pragmatic about these things.

Totally agree with the bolded sentiments above but for the fact that KM stays firmly on safe ground in his own thread and never ventures out into the murky dirty world of the wider board with it's discussions of cats and politics and drugs and dolphins. I take my gloves off and slap you on the face Knightmare and challenge you to come into the other threads and discussions and maintain your calm measured and logical communication approach.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Totally agree with the bolded sentiments above but for the fact that KM stays firmly on safe ground in his own thread and never ventures out into the murky dirty world of the wider board with it's discussions of cats and politics and drugs and dolphins. I take my gloves off and slap you on the face Knightmare and challenge you to come into the other threads and discussions and maintain your calm measured and logical communication approach.

Ah doodles, you are a true big footy patriot.
I likes

 

[doodles98]

Ah doodles, you are a true big footy patriot.
I likes

The other threads need some Knightmare. I want to know Nightmare's position on cats and Trump for instance!
btw.. I liked your question to Jmac about the number 36. It aroused my curiosity and I was going to ask it myself but was afraid of looking stupid.. thanks for taking one there

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The other threads need some Knightmare. I want to know Nightmare's position on cats and Trump for instance!
btw.. I liked your question to Jmac about the number 36. It aroused my curiosity and I was going to ask it myself but was afraid of looking stupid.. thanks for taking one there

I'm prepared to take one for the team

 

[Knightmare]

You are right as usual.. Given our recruiting being heavily focused on midfielders and contested footy grunters; together with our gameplan style of trying to outnumber at the contest.. I find it very worrying that we are only 8th in contested disposals, 15th in overall clearances and centre clearances. These are the stats we should be doing ok in. I think we have the players to be doing better than this so it makes me question the set ups we are using. I don't know enough about it but what do you think of our stoppage/ centre clearance sets ups?

It's difficult to say what the answer is. Particularly from a distance watching all the Pies games on tv - attending junior footy and focusing on that and watching AFL games on tv around that when possible. That makes assessing the structures difficult.

It seems the midfielders find it difficult to read the ruck taps - there seems a lack of chemistry between Grundy and the clubs midfielders which hopefully with time develops. And that's something that comes over time when ruckman and midfielders understand what the other will be doing.

From a midfielders perspective, they're not winning first possession. In midfielders I look for first possession winners. Drew does it, he gets to the right spots inside to distribute. We don't have that guy who can get to the right spots. Perhaps it's a lack of strength from our mids, poor positioning at stoppages or poor structure. That's something for the club to decide and assess having not focused on structures or having had that luxury watching the games on tv.

 

[TradeDraft]

Our inside mids are middle of the range in my view as a group.

In saying that, statistics suggest our midfield is near bottom with the club 14th in centre clearances and clearances this season. Pendlebury attracts a hard tag, then our other mids don't have the power through the midfield to make those numbers better. As Grundy develops as a ruckman that will help, but Treloar, Sidebottom, Adams, those guys aren't big guys. We need next level standard contested ball winners.

We have substantial depth of inside midfielders but the stats are very clear and with Drew and Ronke particularly on a high level for winning the contested ball and clearances by junior standards, they may become good enough to push some others out onto wings or flanks.

Well IF True with Brining in these inside Mids mean there be a lot looking to be up for Trade at the End of Next Season as supposedly these Kids go past them.

Players you think are the NEW Inside Mids is someone like Wills who is around 190cm's with a Big Body?

 

[Knightmare]

Well IF True with Brining in these inside Mids mean there be a lot looking to be up for Trade at the End of Next Season as supposedly these Kids go past them.

Players you think are the NEW Inside Mids is someone like Wills who is around 190cm's with a Big Body?

As I've stated before.

I'd be very open to trading several of our present inside mids.

Greenwood certainly, maybe Crisp depending on whether we like him enough as a wing/flanker, possibly Wills unless he becomes more a first possession winner at stoppages who wins a higher volume of contested ball.

Sier may be delisted if he doesn't improve, he's a long way back at the moment and needs to improve significantly to maintain his list position. J.Thomas is probably gone at the end of next year and feels for me too far back in the depth charts.

Not all mids have to be 190cm. Some of the mids I like in this draft are. Drew is 188cm and may grow another cm or two.

Romensky who I picked in the bigfooty phantom is 189cm and also could grow another cm or two.

It's mostly just about picking the highest quality midfielders - production, contested ball winning and points of difference with as well rounded games as possible. Then you've found some.

 

[TradeDraft]

As I've stated before.

I'd be very open to trading several of our present inside mids.

Greenwood certainly, maybe Crisp depending on whether we like him enough as a wing/flanker, possibly Wills unless he becomes more a first possession winner at stoppages who wins a higher volume of contested ball.

Sier may be delisted if he doesn't improve, he's a long way back at the moment and needs to improve significantly to maintain his list position. J.Thomas is probably gone at the end of next year and feels for me too far back in the depth charts.

Not all mids have to be 190cm. Some of the mids I like in this draft are. Drew is 188cm and may grow another cm or two.

Romensky who I picked in the bigfooty phantom is 189cm and also could grow another cm or two.

It's mostly just about picking the highest quality midfielders - production, contested ball winning and points of difference with as well rounded games as possible. Then you've found some.

Well outside of Pick 28 we are not getting any real High Quality Players

 

[Knightmare]

Well outside of Pick 28 we are not getting any real High Quality Players

It's not out of the question.

The best midfielders often come from the top 10.

In saying that. Sam Mitchell was taken with pick 36. Rory Sloane pick 44. Swan was pick 58. Tom Rockliff was taken in the preseason draft. Matthew Boyd as a rookie. Priddis was taken as a rookie.

With correct talent identification good midfielders can definitely be had after pick 28.

This being a midfielders draft with excellent depth of midfielders. I'm optimistic that after pick 28 there will be good midfielders selection.

 

[watt price tully]

As I've stated before.

I'd be very open to trading several of our present inside mids.

Greenwood certainly, maybe Crisp depending on whether we like him enough as a wing/flanker, possibly Wills unless he becomes more a first possession winner at stoppages who wins a higher volume of contested ball.

Sier may be delisted if he doesn't improve, he's a long way back at the moment and needs to improve significantly to maintain his list position. J.Thomas is probably gone at the end of next year and feels for me too far back in the depth charts.

Not all mids have to be 190cm. Some of the mids I like in this draft are. Drew is 188cm and may grow another cm or two.

Romensky who I picked in the bigfooty phantom is 189cm and also could grow another cm or two.

It's mostly just about picking the highest quality midfielders - production, contested ball winning and points of difference with as well rounded games as possible. Then you've found some.

Hi Knightmare, & thanks for your efforts throughout.

With resect to Sier, in my view he was drafted as a project player & wan't able to play o a consistent basis due to injury. I'd be giving him a bit of leniency given he was our first pick so to speak last year notwithstanding the fact that he needs to get a bit of a wriggle on this year.

With respect to Thomas, I thought he really showed a a fair bit in his last season with us he could emerge as a surprise packet. He is not a known known but a known unknown given his 2 yr absence.

 

[Knightmare]

Hi Knightmare, & thanks for your efforts throughout.

With resect to Sier, in my view he was drafted as a project player & wan't able to play o a consistent basis due to injury. I'd be giving him a bit of leniency given he was our first pick so to speak last year notwithstanding the fact that he needs to get a bit of a wriggle on this year.

With respect to Thomas, I thought he really showed a a fair bit in his last season with us he could emerge as a surprise packet. He is not a known known but a known unknown given his 2 yr absence.

With Sier it's a wait and see situation and it depends on what he brings to the table this year. I'd judge him based on improvement in 2017. If that improvement is strong, he can be retained for another season. Season one signs have left me skeptical with all eight of his VFL games very quiet and unobtrusive. The midfield really struggled with him in there, then after he was out for the season the VFL side really lifted.

Thomas is a strong contested ball winner. Can distribute by hand. He's just slow, has poor endurance, poor footskills and is not a factor forward of centre. It's going to be a challenge for him to develop in those areas to become a better rounded player, which he will need to do to push into the midfield mix in 2017. He's a 25 year old now, so the expectation is he performs to a best 22 standard, which I feel is highly unlikely given our midfield depth.

It would be nice with both to be proven wrong though. Would lead to a terrific midfield situation if both significantly exceed expectations. My optimisms with both is low, with Thomas out the two years, and only being mediocre before that, and Sier looking an unbelievably long way off, just not finding or winning enough of the footy.

 

[ClaytonM]

At least at a minimum we should remember draft players take a few seasons to make it, or bomb.

No it is possible if not mandatory to make a judgement on a kid within six months and declare them either a future Collingwood champion or absolute spud. What is this few seasons crap you talk of.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

No it is possible if not mandatory to make a judgement on a kid within six months and declare them either a future Collingwood champion or absolute spud. What is this few seasons crap you talk of.

I don't have twitter.
If I did, I could make instant gratification calls.
Spud this, spud that.

I know not what I do, this thing called patience....

 

[watt price tully]

With Sier it's a wait and see situation and it depends on what he brings to the table this year. I'd judge him based on improvement in 2017. If that improvement is strong, he can be retained for another season. Season one signs have left me skeptical with all eight of his VFL games very quiet and unobtrusive. The midfield really struggled with him in there, then after he was out for the season the VFL side really lifted.

Thomas is a strong contested ball winner. Can distribute by hand. He's just slow, has poor endurance, poor footskills and is not a factor forward of centre. It's going to be a challenge for him to develop in those areas to become a better rounded player, which he will need to do to push into the midfield mix in 2017. He's a 25 year old now, so the expectation is he performs to a best 22 standard, which I feel is highly unlikely given our midfield depth.

It would be nice with both to be proven wrong though. Would lead to a terrific midfield situation if both significantly exceed expectations. My optimisms with both is low, with Thomas out the two years, and only being mediocre before that, and Sier looking an unbelievably long way off, just not finding or winning enough of the footy.

Cheers Nightmare