List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[magpies42]

The likelyhood is that Henry will ask to be traded to Geelong.
I hope i am wrong.
I have heard we are getting pick 40 or 43!
We hold the aces, if there is no deal done he can nominate for the preseason draft and i am not mistaken he lives in Geelong?
He will save 14 minutes 23 seconds travelling time going to Arden st rather then the lexus centre or whatever we call it these days.
The bottom line he aint going to Geelong if we do not strike a deal.
If they offer us scraps pick 40 and etc they can shove it were the sun dont shine! let him leave for nothing.
If Geelong offer us there present first rounder pick 18 or 19 he is worth more then that i wouldnt take it if i was wright.
There first rounder and future second rounder yes.
Pick 10 to 14 yes

If we take pick 40, we should burn the place to the ground and start again.

 

[ThePhantom777]

I don't really care what they do either but it always seems to come back and bite the club. To me, the club is bigger than the individual. It's up to JDG to do what he wants to do but obviously the club don't trust him so whatever happens, happens

There's so many stories of Hawthorn protecting their wilder players during the premiership years. Not everyone on your list will be squeaky clean like Pendles or Naicos.

Any club in the country would have welcomed Dusty despite the controversies.

 

[Quicky]

and honestly, if you are a 20 year old kid and you arent interested in moving to the city where you can actually encounter a diversity of people, experiences and viewpoints, and actually learn something beyond the local pub, then good luck to you

Collingwood is a bigger club with bigger people than that

I remember moving to Melbourne for uni and being amazed at how many people from Melbourne had barely left their suburb before. They shared a similar attitude. It seemed ironically closed minded to me. I remember thinking maybe they'd learn something living regionally.

 

[3rdMan]

We need to recruit to fix our age profile?

Nick Daicos was 1 of our best players this year as a 19 year old.

Ginnivan was 1 of our best as a 19 year old.

McCreery had a great year as a 21 year old.

IQ and Murphy had fantastic seasons as 22 year olds.

Cat's just won a GF with the oldest ever GF side. Have 14 players 30 or older on their list. Sydney have 18 players on their list aged 23-28 (we have 13, same as Geelong). How'd they go? How did all the other sides with perfect age profiles go this season?

How about we nurture the kids we've got instead of trading a NQR player a club is trying to offload as a salary dump because they're not good enough. If he was, they'd have been playing him and they'd want to retain him. I don't see them putting Touk Miller of the table. Just Bowes and Fiorini. At least Bowes comes with a pick 7 as a sweetener.

I have faith in our kids. I think barring injury, Carmichael, McInnes and Macrae will be senior regulars. Disappointing there are supporters who don't.

And yet not even Nick Daicos, one of the best first year players we've ever seen was playing centre square. You seem to have missed that part of my post.

It takes time for young players to develop into inside mids. As I mentioned, the only players outside of our team that will possibly be ready to play there next year are Macrae and Carmichael. And neither is a certainty to do it at a level expected for a finals or top 4 team, if that's what we're aiming for. That's thin depth.

If they do, great. They could get games ahead of Fiorini and he becomes depth. Refusing to bring in other players so that our young players can play before they are ready isn't a great idea. If Fiorini is really a dud as you believe, then our young players will keep him out of the team.

We've delisted some players and need to bring in replacements. Fiorini as a Cal Brown replacement works for me and is a clear upgrade. He's played quite a few games for the Suns (14 in 2022), but hasn't been able to hold down a centre square spot in recent years due to players like Rowell and Miller. And yes, they are better than Fiorini, they're some of the best or prospective best inside mids around. Hence his opportunity is going to be better at the Pies, again exactly like Lipinski. Will Brodie another example from the Suns. He was getting far less games than Fiorini, and has just had a successful season at the Dockers as an inside mid (averaging 27 disposals and 5.7 clearances). Given opportunity on a good team, he was able to perform. Even though the Suns are not as good as the Dockers, the opportunity to play inside mid wasn't there.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

The likelyhood is that Henry will ask to be traded to Geelong.
I hope i am wrong.
I have heard we are getting pick 40 or 43!

 

[live fast pieyoung]

I remember moving to Melbourne for uni and being amazed at how many people from Melbourne had barely left their suburb before. They shared a similar attitude. It seemed ironically closed minded to me. I remember thinking maybe they'd learn something living regionally.

fair call
happy to extend the critique to melbourne people!
point is, not a time in your life to stay in your comfort zone

 

[Matt_352]

There’s no way Geelong will give up a 1st round pick for Ollie a player they are not overly keen on anyway

Easy they can GAGF then. Simples

 

[WakeUpPies]

Why c

Am I the only one who doesn't gaf what players do on their annual leave? As long as it's not criminal who cares. If you train hard, buy in to culture and play well It's the media who make mountains out of molehills.

No one GAF what 99% of players do on their annual leave because they don't repeatedly get themselves into dumb shit. Honestly, baffles me why Jordy can't have fun like a normal young adult without needing to be held back.

 

[NMBB]

Ollie went to St Joseph's so did I.
That place ...should be bulldozed.

Or bought by St Kevin's?

 

[Bramax]

How many former first round picks perform well enough in their first two years to justify the pick they were taken with? At this point clubs are still paying on potential, and Ollie has that in spades. The fact he’s played the third most games of any of the first rounders in his draft should speak volumes at this point.

Except it likely does. It’s not like clubs feel any differently to supporters in this. Even the vast majority of Cats supporters on the trade board will concede that they’ll cough up this and next years firsts for Bruhn and Ollie. We just have to hope that it’s next years for Ollie.

You make valid points but I don’t agree that Ollie has put a body of work together over his first two seasons to justify a pick in the top 15.

For sure we’ve seen glimpses of his potential but he hasn’t shown this consistently.

I also don’t think we have to “hope” for a first rounder next year. Instead I think we need to hope that Wright says it’s either a first rounder or he stays or he goes to the PSD.

 

[Matt_352]

The likelyhood is that Henry will ask to be traded to Geelong.
I hope i am wrong.
I have heard we are getting pick 40 or 43!
We hold the aces, if there is no deal done he can nominate for the preseason draft and i am not mistaken he lives in Geelong?
He will save 14 minutes 23 seconds travelling time going to Arden st rather then the lexus centre or whatever we call it these days.
The bottom line he aint going to Geelong if we do not strike a deal.
If they offer us scraps pick 40 and etc they can shove it were the sun dont shine! let him leave for nothing.
If Geelong offer us there present first rounder pick 18 or 19 he is worth more then that i wouldnt take it if i was wright.
There first rounder and future second rounder yes.
Pick 10 to 14 yes

If we accept anything less than a 1st rounder then we are obligated to burn the football club to the ground

 

[satanshoof101]

And yet not even Nick Daicos, one of the best first year players we've ever seen was playing centre square. You seem to have missed that part of my post.

It takes time for young players to develop into inside mids. As I mentioned, the only players outside of our team that will possibly be ready to play there next year are Macrae and Carmichael. And neither is a certainty to do it at a level expected for a finals or top 4 team, if that's what we're aiming for. That's thin depth.

If they do, great. They could get games ahead of Fiorini and he becomes depth. Refusing to bring in other players so that our young players can play before they are ready isn't a great idea. If Fiorini is really a dud as you believe, then our young players will keep him out of the team.

We've delisted some players and need to bring in replacements. Fiorini as a Cal Brown replacement works for me and is a clear upgrade. He's played quite a few games for the Suns (14 in 2022), but hasn't been able to hold down a centre square spot in recent years due to players like Rowell and Miller. And yes, they are better than Fiorini, they're some of the best or prospective best inside mids around. Hence his opportunity is going to be better at the Pies, again exactly like Lipinski. Will Brodie another example from the Suns. He was getting far less games than Fiorini, and has just had a successful season at the Dockers as an inside mid (averaging 27 disposals and 5.7 clearances). Given opportunity on a good team, he was able to perform. Even though the Suns are not as good as the Dockers, the opportunity to play inside mid wasn't there.

I think Hunter Clark would be another option and good age profile. He is 23 and is actually a midfielder not half back.

 

[Countrypie]

Or bought by St Kevin's?

An unholy alliance

 

[Apex36]

You make valid points but I do T agree that Ollie has put a body of work together over his first two seasons to justify a pick in the top 15.

For sure we’ve seen glimpses of his potential but he hasn’t shown this consistently.

I also don’t think we have to “hope” for a first rounder next year. Instead I think we need to hope that Wright says it’s either a first rounder or he stays or he goes to the PSD.

You misunderstand me. I’m working on the assumption Geelong will cough up a first round pick. I’m hoping it’s next years.

 

[WakeUpPies]

Agree with letting Henry walk rather than gift him to another 2023 premiership contender. We can't have the reputation of being the team that continues to let others bend us over. Set an example here.

Let him go to North. They still use bricks down there instead of footys don't they? Maybe it will help Henry harden up.

 

[Bramax]

He has performed every bit as well as Tanner Bruhn.

What’s Tanner worth?


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Copy and paste from my Ollie post.

GWS are in the same position as us. Tanner may not be worth a first rounder on his current output but he’s likely worth that to GWS based on potential.

It’s what the acquirer is prepared to give up for him. I’m just suggesting if the offer isn’t a first rounder, then don’t trade the young up and comer.

 

[Bramax]

You misunderstand me. I’m working on the assumption Geelong will cough up a first round pick. I’m hoping it’s next years.

Ok sure.

And if that’s the case, we should reluctantly accept it even though we are likely to regret it later on when he hits his straps.

 

[ksardog]

If we accept anything less than a 1st rounder then we are obligated to burn the football club to the ground

 

[manicpie]

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And vow never to return

 

[sr36]

Just wrong TGG. I think we all deserve a public apology

 

[TW Sherrin]

Geelong really should leave him where he is to develop. He'll be borderline at Geelong.

In a few years Hawkins will be gone and Henry will be a better player and they'll have the picks and cash to get him.

 

[Robroy22]

Ollie went to St Joseph's so did I.
That place ...should be bulldozed.

How long ago did you go Country??

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

The likelyhood is that Henry will ask to be traded to Geelong.
I hope i am wrong.
I have heard we are getting pick 40 or 43!
We hold the aces, if there is no deal done he can nominate for the preseason draft and i am not mistaken he lives in Geelong?
He will save 14 minutes 23 seconds travelling time going to Arden st rather then the lexus centre or whatever we call it these days.
The bottom line he aint going to Geelong if we do not strike a deal.
If they offer us scraps pick 40 and etc they can shove it were the sun dont shine! let him leave for nothing.
If Geelong offer us there present first rounder pick 18 or 19 he is worth more then that i wouldnt take it if i was wright.
There first rounder and future second rounder yes.
Pick 10 to 14 yes

It definitely won't be a pick in the 40's, if Geelong are coughing up a first round pick for Bruhn.
Bruhn has played 30 games, kicked 11 goals and is average to below average in his career to date key stats. Whilst Henry has 25 games with 28 goals, and is average to below average in his career to date key stats.
They are comparable as players with potential, so Henry will have to be a first round pick, as the GWS will be expecting and asking for with Bruhn....

 

[Quicky]

I heard from a friend that Geelong are working with North and Adelaide to help facilitate the Bruhn trade. This info suggested it was likely to involve players from Geelong and players going back to GWS. No idea where that info came from/how solid it is so treat it with a grain of salt like any other unconfirmed rumour this time of year.

 

[sr36]

They both played in the same NAB team and I can tell you that Henry was every bit as damaging as Tanner was and the one area we haven’t played Henry in and that is the midfield. Henry was a star. He would rack up the possessions in the NAB and also kick goals.

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I think you might be gilding the lily a touch. Ollie played 15 NAB games and had the total of 150 possessions in that comp - 10 a game.