List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[Maggie5]

Spare numbers for next year will be:

8 - Bianco
12 - Wilson
13 - Adams
19 - Draper
20 - Kelly (apart from the Ch7 report, haven't seen this confirmed elsewhere)
21 - Ruscoe
27 - Murley
33 - Ginnivan

Has Schultz chosen a number yet?

 

[manicpie]

Projecting draftees is one thing, but declaring where a player will be in 12 months based off almost nothing? There’s literally no evidence that Melbourne even has interest in AJ, let alone it being a lock that he’ll be there next year.

I mean, who at this time last year could have predicted that Ginni would be traded to the poos and wees after winning a flag with us? 12 months is a long time and unless there’s something genuine to go on, like Adelaide’s interest in Petty, it’s best not to act like you’re predictions are guaranteed to materialise in to reality.

Spot on but it's good fun trying to work it out

 

[Apex36]

I think Petty will want out of Melbourne by next year. That club looks set to collapse at any given time.

Reef is ahead based on his final few VFL games. He’s someone that looks ready to play at the highest level.

Except he’s clearly not, because he hasn’t put it together in the AFL yet. There’s every chance he could overtake AJ over the preseason, depending on how Ash performs during that period, but until that happens AJ is the incumbent. As it stands, neither of them are best 22 currently, but AJ is certainly first in line if we had to pick today.

Melbourne will still need forwards next year, particularly if Sniffy cops a ban. The doping authorities are not known for timeliness (evidenced by Murray, Rioli, etc).

He’ll do his 3 month ban over the preseason, probably won’t even miss a game. You’re drawing some very long bows here.

 

[sr36]

I may have missed calculated my talent sums on that way and I might be heading the same way with Moir, lol

I don't know how anyone can pick it with the talented guys with intensity doubts. Take the Coleman boys - two sublimely skilled kids with oodles of time, but ordinary runners who may have been too laconic. One's just been delisted - the other just about the best player of the finals.

 

[Apex36]

90% of your posts are criticism and pot shots

So when I talk about being kind to other people’s opinions… It’s clearly above your station

You aren’t English by any chance? Whiskeytown, winner of the moral BigFooty posters award

 

[regpies]

What’s the opportunity cost on that though? Would rather play Bilbo Frampton in ruck if it came to that again rather than waste a list spot. Unless of course we’re expecting Frampton to be a defensive auto-selection.

With Kelly being punted I would think Frampton is the back up tall defender.

If we had say Cameron and Moore injured at the same time we are short. Frampton would become the ruck/fwd but then we don’t have a back up tall defender.

Having Lycett means Frampton is back up key defender and we are covered in the ruck unlike this season.

 

[KinderSmock]

Except he’s clearly not, because he hasn’t put it together in the AFL yet. There’s every chance he could overtake AJ over the preseason, depending on how Ash performs during that period, but until that happens AJ is the incumbent. As it stands, neither of them are best 22 currently, but AJ is certainly first in line if we had to pick today.

He’ll do his 3 month ban over the preseason, probably won’t even miss a game. You’re drawing some very long bows here.

Willie Rioli did drugs but was out for much longer than pre-season. Sam Murray did cocaine and was out for much longer than pre-season. Ginni and Bailey’s offences were not on game day so a different body handled them, thus it was much quicker. Melbourne will still need forwards next year.

 

[Apex36]

Willie Rioli did drugs but was out for much longer than pre-season. Sam Murray did cocaine and was out for much longer than pre-season. Ginni and Bailey’s offences were not on game day so a different body handled them, thus it was much quicker. Melbourne will still need forwards next year.

All Smith needs to do is provide evidence that it was residual in his system and didn’t take it on game day. He’ll have witnesses come forward and get a 3 month ban. If he was looking at longer it would be reported that way. Rioli probably had no witnesses because he was doing a bong at home alone watching Teletubbies, Smith would have been snorting at a nightclub.
AJ is not the only forward who will be out of contract, and certainly not the best available if you think the likes of Reef are ahead of him already.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I'm shocked it made the news. Slow news day.

He is no ordinary mortal. Or at least he wasn't prior to the cut. (The hair not list cut. Well both really)

 

[KinderSmock]

All Smith needs to do is provide evidence that it was residual in his system and didn’t take it on game day. He’ll have witnesses come forward and get a 3 month ban. If he was looking at longer it would be reported that way. Rioli probably had no witnesses because he was doing a bong at home alone watching Teletubbies, Smith would have been snorting at a nightclub.
AJ is not the only forward who will be out of contract, and certainly not the best available if you think the likes of Reef are ahead of him already.

It's the same situation as Sam Murray. He'll be out for some time.

The difference is Reef will have opportunity next year. AJ will have less. I believe the club rates him ahead of AJ. Therefore, I expect him to play for some time.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Yep, spot on, For me AJ isn't a young lad but still has heaps of potential and would hate to see him go. First thing for him this off season is to hit the pavement and get himself rock hard fit. Heard he ran a 8min 2k time trial last year, get that into the 6's and he'll be firing and ready to roll

He is not a 'young lad'. He is 26, no spring chicken. And old dogs don't learn too many new tricks. But I am happy to hope he can step up to the next level or be a useful Phil Inn.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Willie Rioli did drugs but was out for much longer than pre-season. Sam Murray did cocaine and was out for much longer than pre-season. Ginni and Bailey’s offences were not on game day so a different body handled them, thus it was much quicker. Melbourne will still need forwards next year.

You're confusing different situations (Ginni & Bailey were filmed, not tested), Rioli tampered with his urine sample.

As for Smith's likely suspension, WADA (ASADA, Sport Integrity etc) downgraded the sanctions in 2021 for positive illicit/recreational drug use. So Smith will get nothing like the bans Murray, Keeffe, Thomas etc received.

Smith will most likely get 3 months, served over the pre season & available to play from round 1 2024.

https://www.sportintegrity.gov.au/news/integrity-blog/2020-12/changes-2021-prohibited-list

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

It's the same situation as Sam Murray. He'll be out for some time.

The difference is Reef will have opportunity next year. AJ will have less. I believe the club rates him ahead of AJ. Therefore, I expect him to play for some time.

So you don't think the club would have chosen AJ to replace McStay if Ash wasn't injured...?

Wonder why they didn't choose Reef...

 

[12kilos]

So we only take one in the draft?

we have too take a minimum 2

 

[12kilos]

Guys I can almost guarantee that we will rookie list Kelly

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

It's the same situation as Sam Murray. He'll be out for some time.

The difference is Reef will have opportunity next year. AJ will have less. I believe the club rates him ahead of AJ. Therefore, I expect him to play for some time.

Melbourne player Joel Smith provisionally banned over positive drugs sample

Dees player provisionally banned over in-season positive drugs sample

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Gabbo64]

Spare numbers for next year will be:

8 - Bianco
12 - Wilson
13 - Adams
19 - Draper
20 - Kelly (apart from the Ch7 report, haven't seen this confirmed elsewhere)
21 - Ruscoe
27 - Murley
33 - Ginnivan

Has Schultz chosen a number yet?

He'd have to go for Stalag 13 one would think.

 

[Gabbo64]

He is not a 'young lad'. He is 26, no spring chicken. And old dogs don't learn too many new tricks. But I am happy to hope he can step up to the next level or be a useful Phil Inn.

IMO, he doesn't need any new tricks. He has plenty of those in his kit bag. He just needs to be a more hardened, consistent and determined footballer, which can be instilled into him. That would make him elite.

 

[whiskeytown]

we have too take a minimum 2

I thought it was 3 minimum… including rookie upgrades ?

 

[Jen2310]

I thought it was 3 minimum… including rookie upgrades ?

You can take 1 plus upgrade 2 rookies if you wish. Just needs to be at least 3 in total rookie promotions included


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[Couch Coach]

I thought it was 3 minimum… including rookie upgrades ?

Yes as per Jen's post also.

It was dropped to 2 during Covid but now it's back to 3.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

With Kelly being punted I would think Frampton is the back up tall defender.

If we had say Cameron and Moore injured at the same time we are short. Frampton would become the ruck/fwd but then we don’t have a back up tall defender.

Having Lycett means Frampton is back up key defender and we are covered in the ruck unlike this season.

Frampton already was the backup tall defender. Kelly was barely in defence in the VFL.

Situation unchanged from last year really. Except Steene Begg McInnes will be another year older and mcStay will return to our 22 after missing out on the GF. Johnson also in the frame to return to the seniors. Point being Frampton doesn’t have to be the first choice backup ruck, and certainly doesn’t have to be a first second or third choice back up forward.

Lycett would be a terrible choice. I’d rather just source a key defender who is better than Kelly. Should be a long list.

 

[saverio36]

Rioli tampered with his urine sample.

Yeah didn’t it end up being a Gatorade sample?

 

[TradeDraft]

Frampton already was the backup tall defender. Kelly was barely in defence in the VFL.

Situation unchanged from last year really. Except Steene Begg McInnes will be another year older and mcStay will return to our 22 after missing out on the GF. Johnson also in the frame to return to the seniors. Point being Frampton doesn’t have to be the first choice backup ruck, and certainly doesn’t have to be a first second or third choice back up forward.

Lycett would be a terrible choice. I’d rather just source a key defender who is better than Kelly. Should be a long list.

We still won't have a Proper AFL Ready Ruck as Backup

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

With Kelly being punted I would think Frampton is the back up tall defender.

If we had say Cameron and Moore injured at the same time we are short. Frampton would become the ruck/fwd but then we don’t have a back up tall defen

We still won't have a Proper AFL Ready Ruck as Backup

Frampton did fine last year if I remember correctly..