List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Moore of the Same]

Why would GWS trade out pick 2?

Theyll be confident they can land Mac Andrew a few picks down and he's their number 1 target. Maximise assets and still get the player you want.

 

[ksardog]

Why would GWS trade out pick 2?

the player GWS want most likely to fall to Hawks pick, so they may get a future 2nd included in the deal. makes good sense to them. Hawks keen on a player Crows are interested in so need to get ahead of them. this will all obviously change if Crows can somehow snare pick 1

 

[partypie]

It seems Hawthorn are throwing the kitchen sink at moving up a few spots for Callaghan. Wingard perhaps involved? Hopefully the article was bunk.

Hmm there might just have to be a handshake "you go get your guy if you get pick 2 without bidding on Daicos (but you can bid on Darcy if you want to) as we traded you Lynch" arrangement under the table.

Can you even imagine how the media and socials would explode if we still dodged a bid at pick 2 after trading a player to the club that traded into it.

 

[Pie eyed]

I've got feelings too ya know!

Not judging, just delving into the acronym....
I haven't seen a any nuclear quadrupole resonance.

 

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We gave Hawthorn Phillips for nothing so hopefully we've got our draft tampering hand on that one as well

 

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Would also give Lynch away cheaper on the slightest suggestion that the Hawks wouldn't bid on Daicos with pick 2 should they end up with the pick...

 

[Scodog10]

That would be a good outcome for us if we could pull it off, although it values Lynch at the Dockers future 3rd which could be anywhere from pick 41-48?

Pick 21 would be in high demand like pick 22 was so it would be easily traded out for a future second on draft day.

On a purely in and out basis you’re on the money, but a future 3rd from 45-50 (I rate them) is pretty similar to the value of 58 in 2021, IMO.

Plenty on here have been using the SPS deal as the litmus test for the market and Lynch for Fremantle’s 3rd is less than what SPS went for and by a decent clip because as a live pick that would have ended up in the low to mid 40’s post bidding. I’m also certain Hawthorn will get more out of Lynch than WC will out of SPS so it’s a bargain in my eyes.

I think the kicker to the deal on 21 is what you alluded to with its value on draft night. I’d suggest that if we’re moving up we’ll hedge our bets and seek 24 with something small at the back end that becomes more enticing after a Darcy bid. It won’t drop until the Fort and Ceglar discussions get finalised so who knows how it looks because we could walk away with about 4 or 5 different combinations if they’re all tied up together (which I assume they are).

 

[Gone Critical]

Listening to Brady Rawlings

Brady Rawlings

Age

43

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184cm

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82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

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Last 5

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17.7

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

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8.6

3star

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4.6

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4.0

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1.0

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on SEN this morning talking about JFH and how NM would back themselves in to keep a young talent at the club etc it further strengthens the thought he will go No 1. While it wasnt specifically addressed to talk so frankly about a player it would be a surprise to not then pick them no1. Hoping for 3 or 4 but I reckon no 1 is nearly off the table for Nick.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we had him lined up to be part of the Treloar trade a year earlier. Which if he'd agreed to might have saved us a first round pi

I believe that’s the case. Witts was given a golden opportunity to go home to NSW and play for the Giants. He could be a premiership player now!

But Witts was contracted at the time and decided he wanted to stay at Collingwood and try and make his name with the Pies.

A year later the penny dropped with him that he had to leave to advance his career. By then his trade value had dropped.

So ironically his loyalty to Collingwood was the issue.

 

[Virgin Dog]

A proven ITK on our board (he leaked the Bruce trade months in advance) says the Lipinski deal has been agreed. Pick 43. Must be some belief that the Daicos bid isn't coming too early

 

[Jafo]

Understand our position in jostling away from pick 27 or lower pick to cover Daicos. Even if we had pick 2 and a lot of talk on a quick rebuild if we still had pick 2.

But would it actually have been better if we had pick 1?

If that was the case, what could we have thrown at Nth (knowing what offers they’ve just passed on).

Hypothetically which player/s and picks would we offer?

 

[Moore of the Same]

Understand our position in jostling away from pick 27 or lower pick to cover Daicos. Even if we had pick 2 and a lot of talk on a quick rebuild if we still had pick 2.

But would it actually have been better if we had pick 1?

If that was the case, what could we have thrown at Nth (knowing what offers they’ve just passed on).

Hypothetically which player/s and picks would we offer?

Im not sure I understand what you mean. Would it have been better if we finisher last and had pick one? Or what would it take to get pick one?

I assume the latter. Any trade trying to get pick 1 off North would include either DeGeoy or Moore and then it would depend on how stubborn they wanted to be on pick 1s value. Aside from moving on one of those two fellas, we couldn't get pick 1 from North at all.

 

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A proven ITK on our board (he leaked the Bruce trade months in advance) says the Lipinski deal has been agreed. Pick 43. Must be some belief that the Daicos bid isn't coming too early

Thanks for sharing.

I was just thinking about the trade dominoes and both Lipinski and Dawson seem to be two of the only pending trades that don't have any flow-ons.

With that said I wouldn't be surprised if the AFL kept them both as buzzer-beater deals.

 

[TradeDraft]

Just a reminder that clubs can still trade picks after trade period officially ends, so if it gets to 7:30pm on Wednesday night and you aren't happy with our draft hand, please remember that it's not over yet before you start with any melts.

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We be making quite a Few Picks Trades up to the Draft Night

 

[Jafo]

Im not sure I understand what you mean. Would it have been better if we finisher last and had pick one? Or what would it take to get pick one?

I assume the latter. Any trade trying to get pick 1 off North would include either DeGeoy or Moore and then it would depend on how stubborn they wanted to be on pick 1s value. Aside from moving on one of those two fellas, we couldn't get pick 1 from North at all.

Yeah I figured it would be one of those two or Grundy. I think unfortunately Grundy is more expendable (as good a player her can be). JDG before new coach I’d say have a swing but more inclined to see if he ignites the fire from within in 2022.

The finishing last with pick 1 was more that we could pick which ever player we wanted and then Daicos down the track? Our first pick wouldn’t have to be used on Daicos unless a bid came in yeah? Or do I have that wrong.

Hence having 2nd pick would be worse than 1st where we could have had the supposed best two players straight up but harder if we had pick 2.

 

[manicpie]

Listening to Brady Rawlings on SEN this morning talking about JFH and how NM would back themselves in to keep a young talent at the club etc it further strengthens the thought he will go No 1. While it wasnt specifically addressed to talk so frankly about a player it would be a surprise to not then pick them no1. Hoping for 3 or 4 but I reckon no 1 is nearly off the table for Nick.

My mail has Daicos clear number one, then JHF, Callahan and ward all equal and Erasmus coming strong. That's just what I've been told, doesn't mean it's gospel

 

[sr36]

Let's swap future firsts with Hawks as part of the Lynch deal.

 

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Let's swap future firsts with Hawks as part of the Lynch deal.

I'd do that. Hawthorn almost guaranteed to come last at this point.

 

[Moore of the Same]

Yeah I figured it would be one of those two or Grundy. I think unfortunately Grundy is more expendable (as good a player her can be). JDG before new coach I’d say have a swing but more inclined to see if he ignites the fire from within in 2022.

The finishing last with pick 1 was more that we could pick which ever player we wanted and then Daicos down the track? Our first pick wouldn’t have to be used on Daicos unless a bid came in yeah? Or do I have that wrong.

Hence having 2nd pick would be worse than 1st where we could have had the supposed best two players straight up but harder if we had pick 2.

Grundy wouldn't command the first pick. A lot of money left on his deal.

The bolded I believe is correct. If we had pick 1, wed be able to pick any player and then match a bid for Daicos. Would be a fantastic situation, however we'd still need to find the points to match (but at that point, youve picked up the best two kids in the draft so who gives a sh*t)

 

[PyrrhicVic]

Let's swap future firsts with Hawks as part of the Lynch deal.

They're essentially tanking right now, no chance they'd agree to it.

 

[snagbreac]

My mail has Daicos clear number one, then JHF, Callahan and ward all equal and Erasmus coming strong. That's just what I've been told, doesn't mean it's gospel

You must be getting different mail to me which says Daicos hasn't slid so far down that he's not actually being drafted until the rookies. Just what I'm hearing from my sources, don't quote me on it, though.

 

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If I was having a guess as to the order of trades:

Surprisingly I think Hill to Essendon will be one of the first ones this week... then:

Lobb to GWS (won't happen until Hill's salary is off the books)

Clark to Fremantle (Geelong wait to see what Fremantle get for Lobb)

Fort to Brisbane

Ceglar to Geelong (only happens if Fort does go)

Wingard to GWS (Hawthorn wait and see what GWS has after Hill out, Lobb in)

Lynch to Hawthorn (we wait to see what Hawthorn's picks are after Wingard)

And then the two trades with no follow-ons to be buzzer-beaters as mentioned:

Lipinski to Collingwood

Dawson to Adelaide



Probably missed some

 

[snagbreac]

Yeah I figured it would be one of those two or Grundy. I think unfortunately Grundy is more expendable (as good a player her can be). JDG before new coach I’d say have a swing but more inclined to see if he ignites the fire from within in 2022.

The finishing last with pick 1 was more that we could pick which ever player we wanted and then Daicos down the track? Our first pick wouldn’t have to be used on Daicos unless a bid came in yeah? Or do I have that wrong.

Hence having 2nd pick would be worse than 1st where we could have had the supposed best two players straight up but harder if we had pick 2.

Well I'd be inclined to say that de Goey, Maynard, future first sees the first pick come our way. North don't necessarily won't draft picks as they're only so useful. I'm not saying that that would be a good trade but that's what I feel would get the deal done.

I am not saying that would be a good trade. It is the price pick #1 would cost. Different. Price is not my opinion.

 

[snagbreac]

If I was having a guess as to the order of trades:

Surprisingly I think Hill to Essendon will be one of the first ones this week... then:

Lobb to GWS (won't happen until Hill's salary is off the books)

Clark to Fremantle (Geelong wait to see what Fremantle get for Lobb)

Fort to Brisbane

Ceglar to Geelong (only happens if Fort does go)

Wingard to GWS (Hawthorn wait and see what GWS has after Hill out, Lobb in)

Lynch to Hawthorn (we wait to see what Hawthorn's picks are after Wingard)

And then the two trades with no follow-ons to be buzzer-beaters as mentioned:

Lipinski to Collingwood

Dawson to Adelaide



Probably missed some

You've missed the late mail: St Kilda to Tasmania.

 

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You've missed the late mail: St Kilda to Tasmania.

They've gotta merge with North, first.