List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[LuckyLee]

Why would he be hated? If there was basis to it, I expect most of their supporters would understand and blame the club, not him.

Using lawyers to get him out of a five year contract to then cross to Collingwood? Do you really think MFC supporters would be OK with that? I reckon most would see him as a traitor.


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[loki04]

But Grundy was moved on for Salary cap relief. Our sole intention at the time was to get his or part of his contract off our books.
Melbourne want to keep Trac, so they will ask a high price.

But Grundy wanted to stay and Trac does not allegedly.

We could of shuffled other players instead but chose not too. Melbourne happily bent us over to take a part of that cap relief keeping in mind we are still paying him today.

 

[Go Woods]

Ed Allan was terrific on Friday night and has huge upside, plus a 194cm midfielder, who l would be loathe to lose.
If the Suns however said we are interested in Allan, so you trade us Allan, pick 33 and a future first for picks 10, 20 and Lukosius. Anyone doing that?

Ed Allan is exactly what we have been waiting for, another strong mid to come through. He's not part of any trade in my book.
10+ year player.

 

[MooreDaicos]

Does anyone know the extent of Lunch injuries. I mean surely the fact he can’t get on the park for 2 years says enough?

I mean don’t get me wrong, I am in the camp of wanting a KF, but what makes people think he will get on the park for us?

Too much sauce can give you ulcers?

 

[Apex36]

But Grundy wanted to stay and Trac does not allegedly.

We could have shuffled other players instead but chose not too. Melbourne happily bent us over to take a part of that cap relief keeping in mind we are still paying him today.

That’s kind of the point though? Would you be happy for the club to pay full value for a player who’s current club is pushing them out the door rather than shuffling some deck chairs?

Would you be happy if we had a contracted player that we desperately wanted to keep and the club just accepted a lowball offer for them?

You’ve got this all backwards, Melbourne will fight tooth and nail to extract maximum value for him if he requests a trade and if they can’t get it then they’ll enforce his contract and hope they can repair the damage over the next 12 months.

 

[jathanas]

I don’t think it was entirely his decision. It would have been a combo of him saying he wanted to go back on and the doctors then giving the ok for it. I’d imagine that Trac and his family in hindsight are taking the attitude of sometimes players need to be saved from themselves, which can often be true.
From an outsiders perspective, looking at the state Trac was in on the boundary before returning to the field, it’s hard to believe he was given the green light, and that’s the real issue. Blind Freddy could see he was in a lot of trouble on the TV, so why did the medical staff clear him to return to the field?

As a parent, I'd want a club to take better care of my son.

No argument.

My point is about the litigious turn the discussion took.

 

[Tadpole]

Too much sauce can give you ulcers?

At least he didn’t accidentally type Lurch injuries. That’s an entirely different beast.

 

[loki04]

Top 2/3 ruck in the AFL?! He wasn't even the top ruck at Collingwood. Which is why we traded him for pick 27 and why Sydney has only paid about pick 30 for him on a cut price salary. Even then Sydney only went after him when their 4 club journeyman ruck retired. So many clubs would have been climbing over each other to get a top 2/3 ruck on $600k.

Trac is in a completely different class

He was at the time of trade by the wider afl community. I also agree he had not performed to that level but it is what it is.
He dropped off at Melbourne as he doesn't do well in half game time.
We also paid a chunk if his salary.

He refused any place bar the Demons which is another reason why our trade hand was also diminished.
It's the same reason we went from a GC offer of a pick 5 to getting reemed by the bulldogs as Trelaor didn't want to go there.

Much like Melbourne's will be if he says Pies or nothing I'll sit out a year and try again. Trac will also be turning 29 coming off a serious injury which will take time to recover from especially given he can't even raise his heart rate atm.

 

[Apex36]

As a parent, I'd want a club to take better care of my son.

No argument.

My point is about the litigious turn the discussion took.

Yeah I’ve already said previously that the fact Trac publicly said he was involved in the decision to return to the field would make it almost impossible to pin any negligence claim in court.

 

[Apex36]

He was at the time of trade.
He dropped off at Melbourne as he doesn't do well in half game time.
We also paid a chunk if his salary.

He refused any place bar the Demons which is another reason why our trade hand was also diminished.
It's the same reason we went from a GC offer of a pick 5 to getting reemed by the bulldogs as Trelaor didn't want to go there.

Much like Melbourne's will be if he says Pies or nothing I'll sit out a year and try again.

No he wasn’t, and he hadn’t been since 2019. Not even top 5 by that point, he had a really rubbish 2020-2022.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

If they're desperate to get rid of their older players and hard rebuild, it wouldn't be out of the question.

They'll be getting multiple first rounders via trades anyway, may well feel comfortable giving one okay

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They're already losing multiple experienced players.

If they think Lynch can get back on the park, they'd be crazy to let him go.

And if they don't think he can get back on the park, I don't want us to take him.

 

[No SPIN]

The talk is that we need to get into the draft.
Well…. Gawn has signed for 2 more years. The Dees REALLY need a back up for him as well as an extra large forward target.
MASON COX.
He will serve the purpose for Gawn’s final 2 years. The Dees have 2 more years to press for the flag with Gawn (the best ruckman since Dean Cox) remains. Cox also offers support for Van Rooyen and Turner as they physically mature.
It doesn’t hurt us. We can play Frampton, Kreuger, Smit (most importantly) or Steene.
Surely we can push for a second rounder from Melbourne (pick 25-30)?

We have options as you say but Krueger is not one of them.

 

[loki04]

Come on man, don’t compare this to our salary dumps, you’re more intelligent than that.

If a player refuses to go to any other team and is willing to sit out the year then the whip hand is no longer with that team.

This is my point.
Grundy despite being kicked out refused to deal with any team bar Melbourne it limited the clubs ability to maximise a trade.

Treloar the club had agreed to a top 5 pick to GC but Treloar refused to go there and instead nominated the Dogs as his only team and we again took a pineapple up the rear.

Do you not see if the Rumours that Petracca is done to the point of willing to sit it out and that it's Pies only at this stage how Melbourne's position is not one of power?

 

[DERKADERRR]

Yeah I’ve already said previously that the fact Trac publicly said he was involved in the decision to return to the field would make it almost impossible to pin any negligence claim in court.

I'm not so sure if that matters if he was misinformed or not told of the risks involved in going back on. I'm not saying that's what happened by the way.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Yeah I’ve already said previously that the fact Trac publicly said he was involved in the decision to return to the field would make it almost impossible to pin any negligence claim in court.

How does that work for past players suing for concussion? They've likely said they wanted to go back on too or play the next week.

 

[No SPIN]

Come on man, don’t compare this to our salary dumps, you’re more intelligent than that.

I really don’t see the difference, it’s all about motivation.
We needed salary cap relief, Petracca is strongly motivated to end his time at the Dees. That will put significant pressure on the Demons who will potentially wish to “buy” the silence of Petracca and his family by taking unders. The Dees motivation to “buy” their silence may be much stronger than we think.

 

[DERKADERRR]

I wouldn't mind going for Elliott Himmelberg

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Elliott Himmelberg

Age

26

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.0

1star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

as a defender, he's an unrestricted free agent, probably wouldn't cost too much.

 

[loki04]

Duty of care goes both ways. Trac also had a duty of care to himself and shouldn't have gone back on

And yet it doesn't appear to when it comes to head contact and the bump/tackle.

Players look for high contact all the time and the bumpee/tackler always cops it.

BTW I agree with your view on it just saying aFL likes to pick and choose.

 

[loki04]

'The Lynch deal is about $920,000-$930,000 a year over the seven years, meaning there is a significant rise after the first years. He is expected to earn as much as $1.5 million in the final year of the deal.' The Age.

So effectively we'd be paying for Lynchs best years at Richmond whilst they won flags in which he chose them over us on much less coin.

 

[No SPIN]

Does Lynch have chronic injury preventing him from playing a full season , or just been unlucky with injuries over the last 2 seasons?

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

So effectively we'd be paying for Lynchs best years at Richmond whilst they won flags in which he chose them over us on much less coin.

Yep. Most stupid idea I've heard of.

Surely we're not that dumb.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Does Lynch have chronic injury preventing him from playing a full season , or just been unlucky with injuries over the last 2 seasons?

Non stop foot & hamstring injuries.

 

[stormskye]

Does Lynch have chronic injury preventing him from playing a full season , or just been unlucky with injuries over the last 2 seasons?

32 at start of next season, lots of soft tissue hamstring injuries. 1.5 million owed.

What’s not to like

Here’s us heading to pick him up

 

[The Phantom]

I really don’t see the difference, it’s all about motivation.
We needed salary cap relief, Petracca is strongly motivated to end his time at the Dees. That will put significant pressure on the Demons who will potentially wish to “buy” the silence of Petracca and his family by taking unders. The Dees motivation to “buy” their silence may be much stronger than we think.

Been thinking the same thing.
Throw in a challenging mental recovery, McInnes and the first rounder we get from Richmond for taking Lynch.
(Wishful thinking, I know)

 

[loki04]

I really don’t see the difference, it’s all about motivation.
We needed salary cap relief, Petracca is strongly motivated to end his time at the Dees. That will put significant pressure on the Demons who will potentially wish to “buy” the silence of Petracca and his family by taking unders. The Dees motivation to “buy” their silence may be much stronger than we think.

It's not so much buy the "silence".

If Petracca is truly at the point of quitting that club willing to sit the year out and only wants to deal with one club it weakens Melbourne's position.
Imagine having a 1 million dollar player sitting out the year and then leave the following.

Melbourne may want the moon but what they want and what they get might be two different things if we and Trac play it right.

If he refuses other clubs advances and medicals it puts further pressure on Melbourne to deal with Pies.

It also looks very poor on MFC to hold him to ransom after all the events of this year and the service Petracca has given the club.

Melbourne is not in your typical position of strength in this negotiation.

Nearly every time a player has done it they have left the following year for much less then originally sought. Hill and McCarthy are examples of it.