List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[sr36]

Hopefully they put it to Harry and it pisses him off enough to look elsewhere, like us for example
This is why the Shultz trade annoys me, you can’t “plan” for who’s available year to year, heads pop up wanting out that you can never foresee.
You got to have trade capital going into the off season.

You'd never do anything if always wanting to keep things open for a potential better deal around the corner.

 

[Jafo]

Well, Sidey you’re a lawyer and obviously I respect your opinion here.
And I notice Kirby, another lawyer I believe, gave you a like …

But, from a medical viewpoint, I must confess I’m surprised.

He had several broken ribs on the L lower ribcage.

Every Dr would know that immediately underneath those potentially sharp edged spiked rib fractures lives the spleen and base of left lung.

The spleen is a big,’mushy’ vascular ie blood filled organ that not uncommonly is lacerated by fractured ribs.

And I’d if is, people can not rarely bleed out if the situation is not recognised.

The lungs if similarly pieced, can collapse ( called pneumothorax ) that can also be potentially fatal.

Fractured ribs are always extremely tender even if you are a tough footballer and all.

IF the treated Dr did not check pulse and blood pressure to get a read on possible bleeding, and / or, IF the Dr did not listen to the lungs and check the position of the trachea ( wind pipe that can deviate in a pneumothorax under tension ) then I would have thought that Christian would be well within his rights to engage a lawyer re medical
negligence.

By all accounts he did have a pneumothorax and did require blood transfusions due to massive blood loss from a badly lacerated spleen, coup do days in ICU … bottom line, there is zero doubt in my mind that this was a very near miss from a fatality.

No wonder he is mentally freaked out and his family are allegedly furious, had he had another whack to the rib area he may well have bled even more and could well have died - not exaggerating.
Many people have died exactly that way.

Whether he could have his contract annulled due to this ( or the threat of litigation) is not my area, but maybe legal opinion in light of the medical side of things as above, could be considered? Yes / No ??

I was wondering on the supposed Tweet on X (Twitter) by Trac saying it was his decision to go back on (deleted ages ago), would this override any attempt to pull that trigger of using medical negligence to get out of his contract.

 

[Jafo]

Sam Edmund on SEN now is saying the Carlton and McKay link is all speculation. But is backing up the news that he definitely wants out

Edmund and Fev text each other all the time on such matters.

 

[Scodog10]

Hewett and Kennedy would be handy because we would play them in their natural positions and not as the sub.

Newman has become a key part of their backline

Hewett and Kennedy would be handy because we would play them in their natural positions and not as the sub.

Newman has become a key part of their backline

No thanks to Cerra, injury prone and not good.

I meant to add that I can’t see it with Hewitt he’d be a strong get, but I think Carlton would move plenty ahead of him. Newman is similarly a core member of their best team and is getting on in age (32 in Rd 1) so I’m not sure they’d move him. Cerra’s all cream no cake which is why I could see them taking that path, but unlike you I could wear it to get a 1st. The curious one for me is what they do overall because I think they’re maxing out and need to be aggressive in how they improve in 2025.

 

[Kirby]

Well, Sidey you’re a lawyer and obviously I respect your opinion here.
And I notice Kirby, another lawyer I believe, gave you a like …

But, from a medical viewpoint, I must confess I’m surprised.

He had several broken ribs on the L lower ribcage.

Every Dr would know that immediately underneath those potentially sharp edged spiked rib fractures lives the spleen and base of left lung.

The spleen is a big,’mushy’ vascular ie blood filled organ that not uncommonly is lacerated by fractured ribs.

And I’d if is, people can not rarely bleed out if the situation is not recognised.

The lungs if similarly pieced, can collapse ( called pneumothorax ) that can also be potentially fatal.

Fractured ribs are always extremely tender even if you are a tough footballer and all.

IF the treated Dr did not check pulse and blood pressure to get a read on possible bleeding, and / or, IF the Dr did not listen to the lungs and check the position of the trachea ( wind pipe that can deviate in a pneumothorax under tension ) then I would have thought that Christian would be well within his rights to engage a lawyer re medical
negligence.

By all accounts he did have a pneumothorax and did require blood transfusions due to massive blood loss from a badly lacerated spleen, coup do days in ICU … bottom line, there is zero doubt in my mind that this was a very near miss from a fatality.

No wonder he is mentally freaked out and his family are allegedly furious, had he had another whack to the rib area he may well have bled even more and could well have died - not exaggerating.
Many people have died exactly that way.

Whether he could have his contract annulled due to this ( or the threat of litigation) is not my area, but maybe legal opinion in light of the medical side of things as above, could be considered? Yes / No ??

Thanks Swoop for your medical input.

There's no doubt that he is well within his rights to seek legal opinion in regard to a claim for potential medical negligence and you would hope that the records of what was done (or not done at the time) would help solve the mystery. We in the general public have no knowledge of this.

My point was more that medical neg cases are hard to win without a smoking gun. Looking at the treatment records from that night would sure be handy, but it is difficult to make the leap to negligence even if there was error made. A mistake is not negligence in itself.

I think both swipey and me think that even if it was med negligence it still wouldn't give him an out on his contract (he can correct me if I'm wrong) - but it would strengthen his argument as to why he wants out of there and would aid the public's understanding of his position.

 

[Exambolor]

I meant to add that I can’t see it with Hewitt he’d be a strong get, but I think Carlton would move plenty ahead of him. Newman is similarly a core member of their best team and is getting on in age (32 in Rd 1) so I’m not sure they’d move him. Cerra’s all cream no cake which is why I could see them taking that path, but unlike you I could wear it to get a 1st. The curious one for me is what they do overall because I think they’re maxing out and need to be aggressive in how they improve in 2025.

Carlton just have way too many midfielders in general which is why they’ve gotta play Hewett and Kennedy subs and out of position.

And they need to get faster in the midfield too. Walsh and Crippa is too slow

 

[Scodog10]

Sam Edmund on SEN now is saying the Carlton and McKay link is all speculation. But is backing up the news that he definitely wants out

Trac, yeah?

 

[Brad Goodman]

I think Kennedy’s one to chase regardless. When he’s had a good run at it in the middle the past 3 seasons his numbers stack up. I doubt he’s on much though so probably isn’t the one here.

Probably the best gap filler of those three, and also the youngest. Newman had the best year of those three but he’ll be turning 32 over the summer.

 

[sr36]

I was wondering on the supposed Tweet on X (Twitter) by Trac saying it was his decision to go back on (deleted ages ago), would this override any attempt to pull that trigger of using medical negligence to get out of his contract.

In a scenario like this, doctors don't make decisions - they make assessments and give advice, so I don't think it would make a difference either way.

 

[sr36]

I meant to add that I can’t see it with Hewitt he’d be a strong get, but I think Carlton would move plenty ahead of him. Newman is similarly a core member of their best team and is getting on in age (32 in Rd 1) so I’m not sure they’d move him. Cerra’s all cream no cake which is why I could see them taking that path, but unlike you I could wear it to get a 1st. The curious one for me is what they do overall because I think they’re maxing out and need to be aggressive in how they improve in 2025.

I think they're all solid players, but they've got to change the mix - they've got inside mids on their flanks. It's why they get locked in to stagnant ball movement.

 

[Chameleon75]

Sam Edmund on SEN now is saying the Carlton and McKay link is all speculation. But is backing up the news that he definitely wants out

not the first time he’s backed away from a story

 

[Scodog10]

not the first time he’s backed away from a story

I think you might be getting your Sam’s muddled?

 

[loki04]

We’ll get a first rounder with him.

I don't get why they would need a salary dump?

Martin, Grimes and Pickett retired.
Rioli and Bolton traded.

A heap of the list will be 1st 2nd and 3rd years.

Only thing I could think of is if they want front loaded contracts to free up space for comming years to hit FA.

 

[Chameleon75]

I think you might be getting your Sam’s muddled?

you are correct

 

[Scodog10]

I think they're all solid players, but they've got to change the mix - they've got inside mids on their flanks. It's why they get locked in to stagnant ball movement.

It could get worse as well if Owies up and leaves. He’s a worm, but he’s clearly their best small forward. I think it’s forward of the ball that really needs to be addressed because they can’t compete with the best small forward groups. Saad, Newman and Hollands x2 is ok enough, but there’s no zip ahead of the ball.

 

[Ctracks]

Why would McKay go from one rabble to another

Well, his brother Ben went from the kangas to the bombers for a load of

 

[Bramax]

If true and Carlton were pushing for it, McKay would just tell them to **** off about going to the Dees at the moment and request a trade somewhere else - like Collingwood - for example...

Nice work.

 

[sr36]

Well, his brother Ben went from the kangas to the bombers for a load of

He's supposedly already on a million a year until 2030.

 

[sideswipe]

Well, Sidey you’re a lawyer and obviously I respect your opinion here.
And I notice Kirby, another lawyer I believe, gave you a like …

But, from a medical viewpoint, I must confess I’m surprised.

He had several broken ribs on the L lower ribcage.

Every Dr would know that immediately underneath those potentially sharp edged spiked rib fractures lives the spleen and base of left lung.

The spleen is a big,’mushy’ vascular ie blood filled organ that not uncommonly is lacerated by fractured ribs.

And I’d if is, people can not rarely bleed out if the situation is not recognised.

The lungs if similarly pieced, can collapse ( called pneumothorax ) that can also be potentially fatal.

Fractured ribs are always extremely tender even if you are a tough footballer and all.

IF the treated Dr did not check pulse and blood pressure to get a read on possible bleeding, and / or, IF the Dr did not listen to the lungs and check the position of the trachea ( wind pipe that can deviate in a pneumothorax under tension ) then I would have thought that Christian would be well within his rights to engage a lawyer re medical
negligence.

By all accounts he did have a pneumothorax and did require blood transfusions due to massive blood loss from a badly lacerated spleen, coup do days in ICU … bottom line, there is zero doubt in my mind that this was a very near miss from a fatality.

No wonder he is mentally freaked out and his family are allegedly furious, had he had another whack to the rib area he may well have bled even more and could well have died - not exaggerating.
Many people have died exactly that way.

Whether he could have his contract annulled due to this ( or the threat of litigation) is not my area, but maybe legal opinion in light of the medical side of things as above, could be considered? Yes / No ??

FMD, this has been done to death. Don't respect my opinion. I haven't practised law for over 20 years and even then, never went near that dirty little area known as personal injury. The thought of dealing with busted people, either as a plaintiff or defendant, makes my skin crawl. Kirby has the experience.

This is the type of set of events where people say, "oh yeah sue him. Negligence!" It ain't that easy. And this situation is a particularly difficult one for the "yeah, negligence" conclusion to get up.

Here are some questions for you.

1. You seem to be confidently stating a pneumothorax could/should have been detected intra-game when a player is super "activated"? That sounds at odds with other examples when symptoms seem to show up much later? But your contention is that this was missed?

2. We can assume that whatever testing the doc did/ didn't do, he allowed Trac to continue - how do we know that the further damage was sustained after the return to play? If the further damage was sustained after the return to play, what was it that the doctor didn't detect? Because to get to the point of medical negligence, we first need the negligent act and then we need damage arising because of that act.

So what was it that the doc missed? And what happened during the return to play which worsened petracca's condition?

Was that initial condition sufficient to stop him from returning to play?

You actually need a form of injury/worsening thereof suffered by the return to play.

What damage was sustained by the return to play? Was further damage sustained? That's the thing called causation. You need to prove the doc was negligent in allowing a return to play. And THEN you need to prove that negligent decision resulted in the damage.

That's really hard to prove.

But go ahead and have a crack.

The contractual obligation on the club is to provide a playing, training, work environment which is so far as possible free of risk to the player - obviously collisions with other players are unavoidable.

There is no automatic contractual right to termination if that obligation was breached.

In my experience, medical types are the last to jump to the conclusion of negligence based on limited knowledge. Find it odd that you seem to be taking a rather different approach.

 

[Swooop]

I was wondering on the supposed Tweet on X (Twitter) by Trac saying it was his decision to go back on (deleted ages ago), would this override any attempt to pull that trigger of using medical negligence to get out of his contract.

Good question, hard to say without all the info.

 

[Bramax]

Frost has become OK. Hawks wouldn't need salary space though.

Maybe they will if they land both Battle and Barrass on big $$.

And they wouldn’t need Frost then.

 

[SchuPie]

Who has Callow and Baldwin in the Big Footy trade / draft thread bingo?

 

[loki04]

You might argue it, but I don't think you'd find many who'd agree with you.

Beams had some bloody good games for both pies and Brisbane many bogs, was a goal kicker and contested ball winner.

Maybe you need to revisit some games of his.

Petracca doesn't tare apart every game he plays in either he also has just solid and good days even quiet ones esp early career, to be so definitive on your position that hes soo much better then D.Beams' best footy.
Again I thinks Beams best is near Petracca as a player.
He ain't no Nathan Buckley esque player who tore teams apart weekly.

 

[Eric Shin]

I'd love to know how many of the first-rounders Collingwood has traded over the years have been used on players who have gone on to become AAs, Norm Smith medalists, Brownlow medalists or premiership players. Surely there's some data out there.


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[Scodog10]

Maybe they will if they land both Battle and Barrass on big $$.

And they wouldn’t need Frost then.

Frost doesn’t work because in order to bring Barrass in Hawthorn will need to move their 1st.