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rdangelo said:
All this talk about Housten vs picks is ridiculous.
With Housten you're getting a gun and right now we need guns to win another Premiership.
The fact that people value unknown players (picks) ahead of ready made ones when it's hit or miss when we are in a premiership window is buffoonery.
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Trading can also be hit and miss. It’s not like trading in a 30 yo guarantees you a premiership either. We have a bad record of trading first round picks for players
 
jmac70 said:
The club has already stated that he is a required player, and that an agreeable trade will need to be made.
He’s worth more than 38
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Well a clubs not going to sell. "Hey yeah we are going to trade Johnny straight away, doesn't matter about the deal"

They've already had discussions and. I'm telling you, he'll either net a Pick in the 20s or be involved that sees us get Pick 12.
 

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sr36 said:
Me too.

Just Perryman keeps us in the equation if we have a good run with injuries. So I'm happy if we just add him and hit the draft.

Perryman and Houston and we're more than just in the equation. That's current Sidey and Pendles upgraded already with our window extended for a few years. That'd be my preference.
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Agree
 
pre trade picks are done.

Fremantle will be a team to watch in October, with the Dockers holding picks 9, 10 and 16 as they target the likes of Richmond pair Shai Bolton and Liam Baker.


Gold Coast also has three first-round picks - 6, 12 and 20 - as they look to bring in Daniel Rioli and John Noble during the trade period.

The draft order could still change before the trade period begins on October 7, with free agency compensation picks yet to be decided by the AFL.


The likes of Josh Battle, Harry Perryman and Isaac Cumming are among the free agents expected to find a new home in October, which would trigger compensation for their current clubs.


The Free Agency window runs from October 4-11, with the trade period to start on October 7 and finish on October 16.


The 2024 Telstra AFL Draft will be held on November 20-21.


Your club's draft picks as of September 29, 2024​


Adelaide: 4, 25, 42, 60
Brisbane: 18, 56, 69
Carlton: 11, 31, 62, 65, 68
Collingwood: 33, 48, 51
Essendon: 8, 28
Fremantle: 9, 10, 16, 27, 63
Geelong: 15, 35, 53, 71
Gold Coast: 6, 12, 20, 26, 38, 46, 74
Greater Western Sydney: 14, 34, 49, 52, 70
Hawthorn: 13, 30, 67, 73
Melbourne: 5, 37, 45, 50, 61
North Melbourne: 2, 22, 40, 58, 64
Port Adelaide: 36, 54
Richmond: 1, 21, 29, 39, 41, 47, 57, 66, 72
St Kilda: 7, 24, 43
Sydney: 17, 19, 55
West Coast: 3, 23, 59
Western Bulldogs: 32, 44


Indicative Draft Order as of September 29, 2024​


ROUND ONE​

1Richmond
2North Melbourne
3West Coast
4Adelaide
5Melbourne
6Gold Coast
7St Kilda
8Essendon
9Fremantle
10Fremantle (tied to Collingwood)
11Carlton
12Gold Coast (tied to Western Bulldogs)
13Hawthorn
14Greater Western Sydney
15Geelong
16Fremantle (tied to Port Adelaide)
17Sydney
18Brisbane
19Sydney (North Melbourne assistance package selection)
20 Gold Coast (North Melbourne assistance package selection)

ROUND TWO​

21Richmond
22North Melbourne
23West Coast
24St Kilda (tied to Adelaide)
25Adelaide (tied to Melbourne)
26Gold Coast
27Fremantle (tied to St Kilda)
28Essendon
29Richmond (tied to Fremantle)
30Hawthorn (tied to Collingwood)
31Carlton
32Western Bulldogs
33Collingwood (tied to Hawthorn)
34Greater Western Sydney
35Geelong
36Port Adelaide
37Melbourne (tied to Sydney)
38Gold Coast (tied to Brisbane)

ROUND THREE​

39Richmond
40North Melbourne
41Richmond (tied to West Coast)
42Adelaide
43St Kilda (tied to Melbourne)
44Western Bulldogs (tied to Gold Coast)
45Melbourne (tied to St Kilda)
46Gold Coast (tied to Essendon)
47Richmond (tied to Fremantle)
48Collingwood
49Greater Western Sydney (tied to Carlton)
50Melbourne (tied to Western Bulldogs)
51Collingwood (tied to Hawthorn)
52Greater Western Sydney
53Geelong
54Port Adelaide
55Sydney
56Brisbane

ROUND FOUR​

57Richmond
58North Melbourne
59West Coast
60Adelaide
61Melbourne
62Carlton (tied to Gold Coast)
63Fremantle (tied to St Kilda)
64North Melbourne (tied to Essendon)
65Carlton (tied to Fremantle)
66Richmond (tied to Collingwood)
67Hawthorn (tied to Carlton)
68Carlton (tied to Western Bulldogs)
69 Brisbane (tied to Hawthorn)
70Greater Western Sydney
71Geelong
72Richmond (tied to Port Adelaide)
73Hawthorn (tied to Sydney)
74Gold Coast (tied to Brisbane)




2025 DRAFT SELECTIONS TRADED​


INOUT
Adelaide
Brisbane
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Fremantle
Geelong
Gold Coast
GWS Giants
Hawthorn
Melbourne
North Melbourne
Port Adelaide
Richmond
St Kilda
Sydney
West Coast
Western Bulldogs

2024 Draft Value Index​


Round One Round TwoRound ThreeRound FourRound Five
Pick/Pts​
Pick/Pts​
Pick/Pts​
Pick/Pts​
Pick/Pts​
1. 300019. 94837. 48355. 20773. 9
2. 251720. 91238. 46556. 19474. -
3. 223421. 87839. 44657. 18275. -
4. 203422. 84540. 42958. 17076. -
5. 187823. 81541. 41259. 15877. -
6. 175124. 78542. 39560. 14678. -
7. 164425. 75643. 37861. 13579. -
8. 155126. 72944. 36262. 12380. -
9. 146927. 70345. 34763. 11281. -
10. 139528. 67746. 33164. 10182. -
11. 132929. 65347. 31665. 9083 -
12. 126830. 62948. 30266. 80
13. 121231. 60649. 28767. 69
14. 116132. 58450. 27368. 59
15. 111233. 56351. 25969. 49
16. 106734. 54252. 24670. 39
17. 102535. 52253. 23371. 29
18. 98536. 50254. 22072. 19

2025 Draft Value Index​


Round One Round TwoRound ThreeRound FourRound Five
Pick/Pts​
Pick/Pts​
Pick/Pts​
Pick/Pts​
Pick/Pts​
1. 300019. 79637. 29755. -73. -
2. 248120. 75738. 27756. -74. -
3. 217821. 72139. 25757. -
4. 196222. 68640. 23858. -
5. 179523. 65341. 22059. -
6. 165924. 62142. 20260. -
7. 154325. 59043. 18461. -
8. 144326. 56144. 16762. -
9. 135527. 53345. 15063. -
10. 127628. 50546. 13464. -
11. 120529. 479
448. 10266. -
13. 108031. 42949. 8667. -
14. 102432. 40550. 7168. -
15. 97333. 38251. 5769. -
16. 92434. 36052. 4270. -
17. 87935. 33853. 2871. -
18. 83636. 31754. 1472. -




​

 
adammania9 said:
Look at the final four this year
We beat Brisbane twice this year
Outplayed Sydney at their home and should have won if not for foolish coaching
Belted Port
Didn’t catch Geelong but they have a similar age profile so we can do what they did next year

If we can add Houston and Perryman, we can be more than in the mix again. We’ve got flags to win.
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I'm on board...
 

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sr36 said:
We won't get 12 for Noble without a big sweetener. People are dreaming
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I’m not sure anyone has suggested we’d get 12 for Noble alone. It’s implied that if we were to get 12 in that deal there would be more to it than a straight swap.
 
Rival clubs protecting their own turf with academy and father-son selections might have just handed Brisbane the keys to a dynasty.
Now the big question ahead of the November national draft is whether they at least will force Brisbane to pay a remotely fair price for the brother of the Norm Smith Medallist and his first-round midfield mate.

As the Lions rampaged to the 2024 premiership it was apparent that unlike the brilliant 2001-2003 version there would be no list cliff this team was about to plummet over.

Will Ashcroft only turned 20 in May, Jaspa Fletcher and Darcy Wilmot are also yet to turn 21, Logan Morris is 19, ‘Kobra’ Kai Lohmann is 21.
Keidean Coleman will return from an ACL tear next year as a 25-year old, with Cam Rayner, Zac Bailey, Brandon Starcevich and Jack Payne also playing at 25 next year.

It is downright terrifying for rivals to think that Levi Aschroft will be added to this midfield, with academy teammate Sam Marshall fresh off a dominant best-afield display in the Coates League grand final.

If Ashcroft went at No.1 in the draft Brisbane would be the first team in the modern era to win the flag then actually draft the best overall kid in the land with their own pick.

Hawthorn won in 1988 then traded for the rights to No.1 pick Alex McDonald (St Kilda got Paul Harding, Peter Russo and Robert Handley), while West Coast won in 1992 and traded for the No.1 pick Drew Banfield (Sydney got Tony Begovich and Scott Watters)

It is absolutely fair that Brisbane secures the same father-son rights as rival clubs – after all Collingwood will get Mick McGuane’s son Tom in the 2025 draft.

And the Lions deserve to take academy prospects like Marshall as they grow the game in the north.

It is about paying a fairer price.

But clubs that nearly rioted when the Suns picked up Jed Walter (pick 3), Ethan Read (pick 9), Jake Rogers (pick 12) and Will Graham (pick 26) last year and laid down their weapons instead of lobbying for instant change to the 2024 bidding system.
Why?

They backed self interest to secure cheaper rates for their own father-sons like Lucas and Ben Camporeale and to preserve draft picks accumulated in 2023 trades.

Carlton and Richmond both wanted to preserve the points value of late picks that the AFL was threatening to scrap.

The Blues accumulated multiple late 2024 picks after trading Paddy Dow last off-season.

So in the end after strong club lobbying the AFL not only allowed non-northern states clubs access to talent like Essendon’s NGA player Isaac Kako, they delayed changes to the bidding system to 2025.

It means instead of the Lions having to actually find a ridiculous amount of points for Ashcroft and Marshall, they get 20 per cent discounts on bids and can take them with a collection of back-end picks.

Brisbane has the AFL’s second-worst draft hand behind Collingwod – 18, 56 and 69 – but will find a way to get both players.

Those three picks are only worth 1228 draft points.

If the new changes had come in this year and Ashcroft went at pick 1 and Marshall pick 15, Brisbane might have had to trade out a pair of elite players to match those bids.

Now having allowed the Lions a free ride, clubs might go easy on them again.

In an even draft there is every likelihood Levi Ashcroft might slip down in the top 10 because clubs won’t feel compelled to match a bid when there is a player of similar quality available.
But Richmond should bid on Ashcroft at pick one (forcing their rivals to find 2400 draft points) to ensure it dilutes Brisbane’s draft hand in a national draft where Richmond could have seven or eight picks.

If so the Lions might even have to force Dev Robertson out or trade in their future first-round pick.

The Tigers love bidding on Brisbane academy players.

They bid on Eric Hipwood in 2024 (the Lions matched), Connor McFadyen in 2018 (the Lions matched), Noah Cumberland and Will Martyn in 2019 (the Lions didn’t match), and recruited Mabior Chol and Samson Ryan after they were Brisbane academy players.

Brisbane will likely get Marshall for a gift.

Some clubs love Marshall but others believe he could drift outside the top 30 given he’s a hardworking ball magnet of which there are plenty in this draft.

If you don’t dilute a club’s draft hand when you have the chance it can come back to bite you on the butt.

Gold Coast was able to turn its No.4 draft pick last year into at least five first-round selections – the Dogs gave up 10, 17 and a future first-rounder and the Suns kept on-trading those picks to maximise its draft hand.

But this year having taken those four academy kids and still kept an incredible 2024 draft hand (6, 12, 20, 26, 38, 46) the Suns have enough draft capital to pillage Richmond (Daniel Rioli) and Collingwood (John Noble).

Well played Gold Coast, after it lost its co-captains Tom Lynch and Steven May as well as a million quality kids like Charlie Dixon, Jack Martin, Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy and Jack Scrimshaw.

But the choices made by rival clubs not to make them pay the absolute top price for those academy picks has left them as sitting ducks 12 months on.

 
deck said:
And these people will be annoyed once trade week starts and GC are offering pick 38.
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They’re not going to be stuffing around with players they want this year.
 
Matt_352 said:
Same people bitching about picking up Houston will be celebrating like mad when we add number 17 to the cabinet next year. We are in our window, let's flipping go.
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No they won’t, because they only post when we lose
 
Seedsfan said:
Looks unlikely as we are aiming to double down
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But we don't have anything of value to give away this year? So it's not really the same as last year.

And I happen to see more upside in Schultz next year as opposed to say, Ginnivan, if we're talking about like for like.

Ginnivan played extremely well for Hawks this year, and as you say was on par with Schultz. Schultz reportedly struggled this year with expectations? criticism? family issues? our system? I expect him to improve next year. I expect Ginnivan played the best he can this year with the Hawks, so will he remain the same or perhaps even dip..?

We also don't know if Ginni may have just sulked his way through 24 if we kept him on after he was reportedly miffed by his exit meeting feedback & stopped him going to his beloved Hawks on a longer contract..?
 
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Jen2310 said:
Rival clubs protecting their own turf with academy and father-son selections might have just handed Brisbane the keys to a dynasty.
Now the big question ahead of the November national draft is whether they at least will force Brisbane to pay a remotely fair price for the brother of the Norm Smith Medallist and his first-round midfield mate.

As the Lions rampaged to the 2024 premiership it was apparent that unlike the brilliant 2001-2003 version there would be no list cliff this team was about to plummet over.

Will Ashcroft only turned 20 in May, Jaspa Fletcher and Darcy Wilmot are also yet to turn 21, Logan Morris is 19, ‘Kobra’ Kai Lohmann is 21.
Keidean Coleman will return from an ACL tear next year as a 25-year old, with Cam Rayner, Zac Bailey, Brandon Starcevich and Jack Payne also playing at 25 next year.

It is downright terrifying for rivals to think that Levi Aschroft will be added to this midfield, with academy teammate Sam Marshall fresh off a dominant best-afield display in the Coates League grand final.

If Ashcroft went at No.1 in the draft Brisbane would be the first team in the modern era to win the flag then actually draft the best overall kid in the land with their own pick.

Hawthorn won in 1988 then traded for the rights to No.1 pick Alex McDonald (St Kilda got Paul Harding, Peter Russo and Robert Handley), while West Coast won in 1992 and traded for the No.1 pick Drew Banfield (Sydney got Tony Begovich and Scott Watters)

It is absolutely fair that Brisbane secures the same father-son rights as rival clubs – after all Collingwood will get Mick McGuane’s son Tom in the 2025 draft.

And the Lions deserve to take academy prospects like Marshall as they grow the game in the north.

It is about paying a fairer price.

But clubs that nearly rioted when the Suns picked up Jed Walter (pick 3), Ethan Read (pick 9), Jake Rogers (pick 12) and Will Graham (pick 26) last year and laid down their weapons instead of lobbying for instant change to the 2024 bidding system.
Why?

They backed self interest to secure cheaper rates for their own father-sons like Lucas and Ben Camporeale and to preserve draft picks accumulated in 2023 trades.

Carlton and Richmond both wanted to preserve the points value of late picks that the AFL was threatening to scrap.

The Blues accumulated multiple late 2024 picks after trading Paddy Dow last off-season.

So in the end after strong club lobbying the AFL not only allowed non-northern states clubs access to talent like Essendon’s NGA player Isaac Kako, they delayed changes to the bidding system to 2025.

It means instead of the Lions having to actually find a ridiculous amount of points for Ashcroft and Marshall, they get 20 per cent discounts on bids and can take them with a collection of back-end picks.

Brisbane has the AFL’s second-worst draft hand behind Collingwod – 18, 56 and 69 – but will find a way to get both players.

Those three picks are only worth 1228 draft points.

If the new changes had come in this year and Ashcroft went at pick 1 and Marshall pick 15, Brisbane might have had to trade out a pair of elite players to match those bids.

Now having allowed the Lions a free ride, clubs might go easy on them again.

In an even draft there is every likelihood Levi Ashcroft might slip down in the top 10 because clubs won’t feel compelled to match a bid when there is a player of similar quality available.
But Richmond should bid on Ashcroft at pick one (forcing their rivals to find 2400 draft points) to ensure it dilutes Brisbane’s draft hand in a national draft where Richmond could have seven or eight picks.

If so the Lions might even have to force Dev Robertson out or trade in their future first-round pick.

The Tigers love bidding on Brisbane academy players.

They bid on Eric Hipwood in 2024 (the Lions matched), Connor McFadyen in 2018 (the Lions matched), Noah Cumberland and Will Martyn in 2019 (the Lions didn’t match), and recruited Mabior Chol and Samson Ryan after they were Brisbane academy players.

Brisbane will likely get Marshall for a gift.

Some clubs love Marshall but others believe he could drift outside the top 30 given he’s a hardworking ball magnet of which there are plenty in this draft.

If you don’t dilute a club’s draft hand when you have the chance it can come back to bite you on the butt.

Gold Coast was able to turn its No.4 draft pick last year into at least five first-round selections – the Dogs gave up 10, 17 and a future first-rounder and the Suns kept on-trading those picks to maximise its draft hand.

But this year having taken those four academy kids and still kept an incredible 2024 draft hand (6, 12, 20, 26, 38, 46) the Suns have enough draft capital to pillage Richmond (Daniel Rioli) and Collingwood (John Noble).

Well played Gold Coast, after it lost its co-captains Tom Lynch and Steven May as well as a million quality kids like Charlie Dixon, Jack Martin, Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy and Jack Scrimshaw.

But the choices made by rival clubs not to make them pay the absolute top price for those academy picks has left them as sitting ducks 12 months on.

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Lol dynasty talk always happens after a team wins the premiership. It barely ever happens.
 

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