List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[manicpie]

How much would Zak go for in trade once they match?

If we go by this year, probably 4 first round picks

 

[IlovethePies]

Surprised that Richmond delisted Cumberland...I thought he looked promising...
Could be a good replacement for Joe Richards....but yeah, not the priority atm.

Still think we need a big inside mid to be sure of contending at the highest level next year

Others have pointed out that De Mattia is an inside mid, but with the following depth:
Finn, Ned Long, Sulli, Ed Allan, Harry Dem, I know it adds up to five, but it is 5 times almost zero in terms of proven capacity to play a 100 minutes of AFL football in one of the most physically demanding roles.

Our only true, battle hardened inside mid is Titch, and I just don't think we can be overly confident about his availability rate next year.

It might be too late now to get one, unfortunately.

 

[sr36]

I was in the grocery store the other day, and these douches came up to me and started crapping on about Cumberland. THey kept ai it. So I closed my hand in front of their face to get them to shut up. But they wouldn't stop crapping on about Cumberland. So I tried to just leg it out of the store away from these Cumberland loving lunatics, but forgot that i was holding a fistful of Milky Ways ...

 

[Gabbo64]

I heard a whisper that one or more of the other clubs is de-listing a player. I'm on the look out to see who it is.
But, whoever it is, I reckon he's worth a crack.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I heard a whisper that one or more of the other clubs is de-listing a player. I'm on the look out to see who it is.
But, whoever it is, I reckon he's worth a crack.

Make it happen Leppa

 

[magpies42]

Surprised that Richmond delisted Cumberland...I thought he looked promising...
Could be a good replacement for Joe Richards....but yeah, not the priority atm.

Still think we need a big inside mid to be sure of contending at the highest level next year

Others have pointed out that De Mattia is an inside mid, but with the following depth:
Finn, Ned Long, Sulli, Ed Allan, Harry Dem, I know it adds up to five, but it is 5 times almost zero in terms of proven capacity to play a 100 minutes of AFL football in one of the most physically demanding roles.

Our only true, battle hardened inside mid is Titch, and I just don't think we can be overly confident about his availability rate next year.

It might be too late now to get one, unfortunately.

A grade Mids of any colour are most impactful. 100% this is our big need, and that the kids are still kids and won’t have an impact across a full season…Sidney and Pendles were pedestrian at times last season, this slide will only continue and I think they will only really show their true value come finals.

The Daicos boys, Crisp, Degoey, Mitchell. I like Elliott on ball, he makes things happen and is hard at it. I’d like to see more pinch hitting from Mcreery and Schulz to complete/take a load off Sidey and Pendles. The kids can help with this too. Perryman will be a great addition, only Hine and co will know what his ceiling is with a free run at a midfield role.

In the first bracket of players we have an issue, they are all A grade quality…but there are not enough minutes in them to cover a full season…especially with degoey and Mitchell’s injury profile.

We need another A grade midfielder to complete the compliment.

 

[IlovethePies]

A grade Mids of any colour are most impactful. 100% this is our big need, and that the kids are still kids and won’t have an impact across a full season…Sidney and Pendles were pedestrian at times last season, this slide will only continue and I think they will only really show their true value come finals.

The Daicos boys, Crisp, Degoey, Mitchell. I like Elliott on ball, he makes things happen and is hard at it. I’d like to see more pinch hitting from Mcreery and Schulz to complete/take a load off Sidey and Pendles. The kids can help with this too. Perryman will be a great addition, only Hine and co will know what his ceiling is with a free run at a midfield role.

In the first bracket of players we have an issue, they are all A grade quality…but there are not enough minutes in them to cover a full season…especially with degoey and Mitchell’s injury profile.

We need another A grade midfielder to complete the compliment.

Absolutely. But another A grade mid won't be forthcoming now. So, we need to try to find someone, somewhere among the delisted, rookies...whatever...just a full bore inside mid...who can just go in there full bore and
a) prevent the opposition from flicking it out at our expense
b) feed it out to our advantage - at least sometimes, and if not, kill the ball
c) tackle,tackle,tackle

My worry is that none of our current back up mids have proven that they will be able to carry out this role.

 

[sr36]

A grade Mids of any colour are most impactful. 100% this is our big need, and that the kids are still kids and won’t have an impact across a full season…Sidney and Pendles were pedestrian at times last season, this slide will only continue and I think they will only really show their true value come finals.

The Daicos boys, Crisp, Degoey, Mitchell. I like Elliott on ball, he makes things happen and is hard at it. I’d like to see more pinch hitting from Mcreery and Schulz to complete/take a load off Sidey and Pendles. The kids can help with this too. Perryman will be a great addition, only Hine and co will know what his ceiling is with a free run at a midfield role.

In the first bracket of players we have an issue, they are all A grade quality…but there are not enough minutes in them to cover a full season…especially with degoey and Mitchell’s injury profile.

We need another A grade midfielder to complete the compliment.

I'm the opposite. I think we're stacked in the midfield and the issue is going to be playing them all and whether the slower oldies are getting a bit old for running the flanks, because we can't play them all in the midfield. I won't be surprised if one of the oldies gets phased out and becomes depth next year.

Nick, JDG, Crisp, Pendles, Titch, Sidey, Perryman. Plus we'll want to give Allan some games and continue to give McCreery some midfield time.

 

[IlovethePies]

I'm the opposite. I think we're stacked in the midfield and the issue is going to be playing them all and whether the slower oldies are getting a bit old for running the flanks, because we can't play them all in the midfield. I won't be surprised if one of the oldies gets phased out and becomes depth next year.

Nick, JDG, Crisp, Pendles, Titch, Sidey, Perryman. Plus we'll want to give Allan some games and continue to give McCreery some midfield time.

But none of these are mids in the same vein as Titch - pure in and under superhero.
We would not have won the GF last year without him in the team.
In the list you cite above, there is no one of this kind.
I am hoping maybe that Ned Long can start to grow into it.
Sulli can"t because he isn"t big enough
If we have a big bodied in and under mid - not even of the same calibre of Titch, but just an approximation - that is so much the player we need to spark all our other incredible talent.

 

[Apples]

I think the Macrae as an inside mid experiment should be over, I don't mind him playing the Lipinksi role or as a bit of a curveball he play a James Jordan type role. Not in best 22 but if needed I would prefer in him in either Lipinski or James Jordan role.

I think the experiment is over full stop. He is average in every department. He's not quick by hand or foot, lacks penetration with his disposals and doesn't hurt the opposition. He's never going to be anything other than below average.

 

[Apples]

I can't think of anyone who wouldn't take him but guess who's putting in the early groundwork?, yep, those campaigners with the bottomless SC from Geelong

I think you mean "I can't think of anyone who wouldn't take he...." don't you? My teacher red pen has been violently twitching reading this thread.

 

[magpies42]

Tom Scully

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Tom Scully

Age

33

Ht

181cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

9.9

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.5

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

12.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

5.1

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.1

2star

CL

0.8

3star

D

19.8

5star

K

8.8

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

4.6

5star

CL

3.8

5star

anyone? Looks a good prospect on paper, can’t help but feel there are some off field issues that resulted in Port delisting him ahead of time…Houston should have the inside word.

With our draft hand worth a rookie spot.

 

[Hardas]

Tom Scully anyone? Looks a good prospect on paper, can’t help but feel there are some off field issues that resulted in Port delisting him ahead of time…Houston should have the inside word.

With our draft hand worth a rookie spot.

Yeah, Houston probably know what's what.
He certainly seemed to have some raw talent.

 

[loki04]

To my eye, Carroll is the much more composed and impactful player. I have little doubt another team with take a punt on him.

Fin couldn’t even get a spot in our side when we were on our knees with about 15 players on the injury list. Our coaches have shown that they have no faith in him, despite public utterances to the contrary. If he wasn’t contracted, he’d have been delisted and hoping for VFL contract somewhere, like his doppelgänger, Cal Brown.


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Cal never kicked 3 goals from midfield/HF like Fin has vs admittedly WC.

But agree he seems to be one of those very good vfl players who don't quite step up at AFL LEVEL.

 

[Big Bryza]

He was sold to me as a half back flanker.
Wasn't Murphy the same?
I get Houston can play different roles.

Murph played as a KPD, generally the deepest that provided cover for Howe and Moore. We rarely wanted the ball in his hands.

Houston is a high half back who we will want the ball in the hands of as often as possible.

They are chalk and cheese as footballers.

 

[Hardas]

Murph played as a KPD, generally the deepest that provided cover for Howe and Moore. We rarely wanted the ball in his hands.

Houston is a high half back who we will want the ball in the hands of as often as possible.

They are chalk and cheese as footballers.

Houston is gonna be deadly for us... can't wait!

 

[Apex36]

Tom Scully anyone? Looks a good prospect on paper, can’t help but feel there are some off field issues that resulted in Port delisting him ahead of time…Houston should have the inside word.

With our draft hand worth a rookie spot.

No off field issues, he’s just not very good.

 

[Pistol Night]

I can't think of anyone who wouldn't take him but guess who's putting in the early groundwork?, yep, those campaigners with the bottomless SC from Geelong

If they can bribe a 24yo with Cotton On shit and a 10 acre hobby farm I tip my hat to them

 

[Scodog10]

It really depends on whether there are three draftees that we want available at our picks, in which case we'd probably use all three picks.
Otherwise we would hold one over for a rookie/SSP selection.

I don’t think any of our current rookies are senior list candidates and yes that includes Dean.

 

[Scodog10]

Im a teacher. I'm trained to pretend that inside every waste of space is a future star. Parent/teacher night 101.

But seriously, the way I see it is that list cloggers are part of your depth. I like the way we've done it. Post trade week you should look at your uncontracted depth and decide whether you want to replace them with better short term depth, depth in different positions or depth more likely to become more than just depth. Someone like Carrol might be depth in different positions and be more likely to become more than depth. But I've never watched him to have an opinion.

I’m an accountant so the people side of it is too foreign to me…

More seriously though the discussion is also a little off because I don’t believe Carroll is a list clogger quite yet. Like if Reef were to be cut it’s come as a surprise. I think it’s getting a contract for 2026 without showing anything more that would see both transform into cloggers. The way I see it is it’s about the right time if Joe Public is surprised they’ve been cut and they’ve tipped into cloggers territory once the question is asked of “were they still on a list?”.

I don’t think there’s been many proper cloggers cut this year maybe Preuss and Campbell, but the ruck roles a little different, IMO.

 

[Piesinmyeyes]

There he is, it was just a matter of time for the Cumberland express to make it's appearance

Beside Noah (I got the bag $ Balta), do Richmond have any recognisable player left?

 

[LuckyLee]

I think the experiment is over full stop. He is average in every department. He's not quick by hand or foot, lacks penetration with his disposals and doesn't hurt the opposition. He's never going to be anything other than below average.

Yes, we need to stop recruiting these conscientious, hard-working but oh-so-vanilla (and slow) types, like Bianco, Cal Brown and Macrae.

More mongrel and X-factor please, even if they’re a bit rough around the edges.

One such potential diamond in the rough, who is presently uncontracted and somewhat persona non grata, is Josh Fahey at GWS. A bit of a ratbag but X-factor galore.


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[LuckyLee]

Korn was talking up Noah Cumberland on SEN this morning…..


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[Apex36]

Beside Noah (I got the bag $ Balta), do Richmond have any recognisable player left?

Tom (I got the bag $) Lynch.

 

[Piesinmyeyes]

He’ll make more labouring

And he’ll do a 1/4 of the work