List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[Cousin of Daicos]

I find it pretty funny that anyone would actually believe LDU would go to St.Kilda lol

 

[sideswipe]

The other interesting thing I picked up in the new CBA is there is zero reference to the Rookie payments sitting outside the CAP . In fact it states all players are to be paid from the TPP.

Once again, this point is not something addressed in the CBA. It is a matter for the clubs and the AFL, not the players.

From the Rules

10.12 Payments to Rookie Players Outside Total Player Payments

(a) Category A Rookies
Any amount paid by a Club to a Player listed on its Category A Rookie List in excess of the base payment payable to a first year 41+ choice selection shall be included as Football Payments for the purposes of calculating the Club’s Total Player Payments.

(b) Category B Rookies
Subject to Rule 11, all payments made by a Club to a Player listed on its Rookie List are excluded as Football Payments for the purposes of calculating a Club’s Total Player Payments.

 

[cfc19902010]

I find it pretty funny that anyone would actually believe LDU would go to St.Kilda lol

Totally agree
Why would he go there
The media concoct this stuff also
Cooney was funny working out trade scenarios of Houston going everywhere but Collingwood

 

[Jen2310]

Didn't they use to have a veteran's list? Perhaps that could be brought back & used for older players. And the rookie list reserved for younger players.

Thats an idea actually. Yeah there used to be.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

This Rookie vs Veteran vs Senior list is a bit moot IMO.

Any changes to this structure would need to be amended inside the CBA as well.

Which means any change to it would need to be negotiated with the PA.
Even if it ends up being trivial (in the grand scheme of the CBA/AFL list rules).

With the last CBA coming in a rush....i presume this was put in the too hard basket.
Too many parties to align.

No doubt this sort of change would then be a protracted negotiation as the PA would try and amend the current CBA on points they are not happy with.
Clubs would push their agendas etc.

Kind of feels no change it coming in this space until next CBA negotiations.

 

[upnsmoke]

I find it pretty funny that anyone would actually believe LDU would go to St.Kilda lol

LDU is not going to St Kilda.

LDU is going to Geelong. There's a 4 acre farm being set up for him already, and maybe a fish and chips shop at Port Arlington.

 

[Pie eyed]

It was a joke Joyce - Gunston still a valuable player. And the benefit of delisting/re-rookie Gunston is that you aren't creating another free agent.

I got the joke.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Pretty sure the first non rookie to be put on the rookie list was Ramanauskas when Essendon got exemption by playing the cancer card. Been pretty much a free for all ever since. I don’t have an issue with it really nor do I have an issue with clubs managing their cap astutely. But maybe they should rename it to a supplementary list to reflect what it really is.

 

[Pie eyed]

Didn't they use to have a veteran's list? Perhaps that could be brought back & used for older players. And the rookie list reserved for younger players.

Nail on the head.
The pundits have a whinge but in reality the Rookie List exists because the same pundits would have lobbied for it.
The same pundits probably lobbied to get rid of the veterans list.
In the end if you want to give younger players more opportunity, find a diamond in the rough, make the lists bigger and allow a living wage to keep them outside of the cap.
Piece of piss really.

Make it a supplemental list where you can stockpile older delisted players still with a few years in them as back up for in season injury.

 

[Apex36]

Going by this, the player has to agree?

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Nope. Just club PR.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Didn't they use to have a veteran's list? Perhaps that could be brought back & used for older players. And the rookie list reserved for younger players.

The veterans list was a mighty rort in the day with half their salaries ending up outside the cap, and clubs backloading to take full advantage.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

The veterans list was a mighty rort in the day with half their salaries ending up outside the cap, and clubs backloading to take full advantage.

Perhaps it could just be a way of moving some of these older players off the 'rookie' list & moving them to a veteran's list.. it seems the word 'rookie' & what it was intended for is the main problem..?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Perhaps it could just be a way of moving some of these older players off the 'rookie' list & moving them to a veteran's list.. it seems the word 'rookie' & what it was intended for is the main problem..?

Or just rename it.

I don’t really see the issue. It’s not a kindergarten.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Or just rename it.

I don’t really see the issue. It’s not a kindergarten.

Agree. Just change the name from rookie to something else.

 

[JuniorB]

They may upgrade 2 given their picks are in the 70's after pick 33

A 33 year old "rookie".

 

[35Daicos]

Once again, this point is not something addressed in the CBA. It is a matter for the clubs and the AFL, not the players.

From the Rules

10.12 Payments to Rookie Players Outside Total Player Payments

(a) Category A Rookies
Any amount paid by a Club to a Player listed on its Category A Rookie List in excess of the base payment payable to a first year 41+ choice selection shall be included as Football Payments for the purposes of calculating the Club’s Total Player Payments.

(b) Category B Rookies
Subject to Rule 11, all payments made by a Club to a Player listed on its Rookie List are excluded as Football Payments for the purposes of calculating a Club’s Total Player Payments.

New versions of the AFL Rules and AFL Regulations documents were released in February this year: https://www.afl.com.au/policies
From AFL Rules:

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Agree. Just change the name from rookie to something else.

Its the faux controversy of the week .

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Just bring him home

 

[partypie]

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If the AFL's intent is to allow clubs an opportunity to assess fringe junior, state league, or recently delisted / younger ex-AFL prospects an (initial) one year trial to see if they are worth keeping on for longer, then it might be easier to just put a flat games cap on "over-age" rookie list additions.

They're already going down that path sort of with the (10 game?) limit for (post-) third year rookie extensions, so it's not a huge leap to just put an (AFL) games played number on it, maybe something around 20 (AFL) games just to throw a number at it?

That would cover the more "mature" prospects who have developed further at state league level after not managing to get a look in via the draft when they were eligible coming out of U18 footy, as well as those who couldn't make it stick in their first crack at AFL level (if they were drafted).

Clubs probably wouldn't like it, but in the end they'd adjust and we'd see more with 38 + 4 lists (with 4 genuine rookies), as opposed to having clubs that stash one or more older / late career players on the rookie list in the name of "list management".

 

[JLC]

Its the faux controversy of the week .

If it was Geelong it would be known as great list management.

 

[celestial]

Just bring him home

We are never going to get petracca, unless we trade someone like de goey first.

Think after next year, probably wont see collingwood trading future firsts for some time.

 

[Gone Critical]

The last time you educated me it was to reinforce the lesson to never expect much from family.

Makes me a successful teacher

 

[Brad Goodman]

But you're pretty macho. We can't expect everyone to be as tough as you.

One can but dream of reaching that level of keyboard warrior

 

[Apples]

LDU is not going to St Kilda.

LDU is going to Geelong. There's a 4 acre farm being set up for him already, and maybe a fish and chips shop at Port Arlington.

It would most likely be a mussel shop. Mussels are big in Portarlington.

 

[manicpie]

It would most likely be a mussel shop. Mussels are big in Portarlington.

Very much so, I remember going there for holidays 40 odd years ago and they used to sell them fresh off the boat