List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[Apex36]

We can, but dean would be your best option, so basically we would be demoting markov and ash but upgrading dean, who is allowed to be on the rookie list for another year or two with the new rookie rules. So I don't think we'll promote anyone.

The above link indicates we'll use three.

Typo. I meant can’t.

 

[Apex36]

And I was serious. If you are delisting someone, you clearly are okay with them being elsewhere. Because you never know if another club will come knocking
But I know it’s more about creating a list spot, but given their delistments and retirees, surely they have enough for 3 spots.

Nah they clearly want to keep Gunston. Pretty sure that his management would be clear that at his age he’s more likely to retire than start at another new club if anyone is considering trying to take him.

 

[Jen2310]

Nah they clearly want to keep Gunston. Pretty sure that his management would be clear that at his age he’s more likely to retire than start at another new club if anyone is considering trying to take him.

Yeah I know. I wasn’t specifying referring to Gunston but those being put on the rookie list from the senior in general.


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[ElliottsMaggies]

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Didn't they use to have a veteran's list? Perhaps that could be brought back & used for older players. And the rookie list reserved for younger players.

 

[Horaceg]

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Rookie spots should be limited to players who have not been on a list previously. Imho

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I find it pretty funny that anyone would actually believe LDU would go to St.Kilda lol

 

[sideswipe]

The other interesting thing I picked up in the new CBA is there is zero reference to the Rookie payments sitting outside the CAP . In fact it states all players are to be paid from the TPP.

Once again, this point is not something addressed in the CBA. It is a matter for the clubs and the AFL, not the players.

From the Rules

10.12 Payments to Rookie Players Outside Total Player Payments

(a) Category A Rookies
Any amount paid by a Club to a Player listed on its Category A Rookie List in excess of the base payment payable to a first year 41+ choice selection shall be included as Football Payments for the purposes of calculating the Club’s Total Player Payments.

(b) Category B Rookies
Subject to Rule 11, all payments made by a Club to a Player listed on its Rookie List are excluded as Football Payments for the purposes of calculating a Club’s Total Player Payments.

 

[cfc19902010]

I find it pretty funny that anyone would actually believe LDU would go to St.Kilda lol

Totally agree
Why would he go there
The media concoct this stuff also
Cooney was funny working out trade scenarios of Houston going everywhere but Collingwood

 

[Jen2310]

Didn't they use to have a veteran's list? Perhaps that could be brought back & used for older players. And the rookie list reserved for younger players.

Thats an idea actually. Yeah there used to be.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

This Rookie vs Veteran vs Senior list is a bit moot IMO.

Any changes to this structure would need to be amended inside the CBA as well.

Which means any change to it would need to be negotiated with the PA.
Even if it ends up being trivial (in the grand scheme of the CBA/AFL list rules).

With the last CBA coming in a rush....i presume this was put in the too hard basket.
Too many parties to align.

No doubt this sort of change would then be a protracted negotiation as the PA would try and amend the current CBA on points they are not happy with.
Clubs would push their agendas etc.

Kind of feels no change it coming in this space until next CBA negotiations.

 

[upnsmoke]

I find it pretty funny that anyone would actually believe LDU would go to St.Kilda lol

LDU is not going to St Kilda.

LDU is going to Geelong. There's a 4 acre farm being set up for him already, and maybe a fish and chips shop at Port Arlington.

 

[Pie eyed]

It was a joke Joyce - Gunston still a valuable player. And the benefit of delisting/re-rookie Gunston is that you aren't creating another free agent.

I got the joke.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Pretty sure the first non rookie to be put on the rookie list was Ramanauskas when Essendon got exemption by playing the cancer card. Been pretty much a free for all ever since. I don’t have an issue with it really nor do I have an issue with clubs managing their cap astutely. But maybe they should rename it to a supplementary list to reflect what it really is.

 

[Pie eyed]

Didn't they use to have a veteran's list? Perhaps that could be brought back & used for older players. And the rookie list reserved for younger players.

Nail on the head.
The pundits have a whinge but in reality the Rookie List exists because the same pundits would have lobbied for it.
The same pundits probably lobbied to get rid of the veterans list.
In the end if you want to give younger players more opportunity, find a diamond in the rough, make the lists bigger and allow a living wage to keep them outside of the cap.
Piece of piss really.

Make it a supplemental list where you can stockpile older delisted players still with a few years in them as back up for in season injury.

 

[Apex36]

Going by this, the player has to agree?

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Nope. Just club PR.

 

[Apex36]

Vitriol and abuse on social media is highly likely to have caused mental health issues, necessitating deletion of an account.
As far back as 2017, its been flagged as an issue.
To be actually disputing the possibility for AJ seems illogical.

Sports psychologists warn AFL players to stay off social media

Social media has been a hot topic in the AFL.

www.theage.com.au

I’ll take that as it’s been made up on big footy as an excuse for him.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Didn't they use to have a veteran's list? Perhaps that could be brought back & used for older players. And the rookie list reserved for younger players.

The veterans list was a mighty rort in the day with half their salaries ending up outside the cap, and clubs backloading to take full advantage.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

I’ll take that as it’s been made up on big footy as an excuse for him.

It wasn't mentioned on bf only.

And not all those targetted by online abuse, including racial abuse want to bring it up publicly or be spokespeople for such abuse. It doesn't mean it didn't happen because he didn't speak publicly about it.

AJ simply chose to delete his social media accounts. How much it affected him personally, none of us can judge, imo.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

The veterans list was a mighty rort in the day with half their salaries ending up outside the cap, and clubs backloading to take full advantage.

Perhaps it could just be a way of moving some of these older players off the 'rookie' list & moving them to a veteran's list.. it seems the word 'rookie' & what it was intended for is the main problem..?

 

[Gilbert_Grape]

But if you let that sort of thing take over you to the point where you can’t perform your job then you’ll never be a productive member of society.

Is there any actual evidence or has Ash come out and said he was suffering from mental health issues, or is this a fantasy scenario that big footy posters have come up with in order to provide an excuse for his shithouse performances?

You seem to be taking it personally.

Johnson hasn't made any excuse, he might just have reached his ceiling. Why frame that as a failure?
He was a speculative mature pick, cost nothing. Maybe he has worked hard. Or maybe he doesn't really want to play at AFL level - which is fine, he doesn't owe that to anyone.

If he were short, slow or injury prone you wouldn't blame him for not making it. He shouldn't cop it for not having the competitiveness of Selwood.

Plenty of people here don't reach their "maximum potential" but are still "productive members of society".

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Perhaps it could just be a way of moving some of these older players off the 'rookie' list & moving them to a veteran's list.. it seems the word 'rookie' & what it was intended for is the main problem..?

Or just rename it.

I don’t really see the issue. It’s not a kindergarten.

 

[Hardas]

I’ll take that as it’s been made up on big footy as an excuse for him.

Apex, please leave this alone.
Enough, already.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Or just rename it.

I don’t really see the issue. It’s not a kindergarten.

Agree. Just change the name from rookie to something else.