List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[Bramax]

I think a late burst of winter weather and some good snowfall would ease their concerns.

And a glass of red and a cheese platter.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Non stop foot & hamstring injuries.

And a dodgy knee

 

[Bramax]

Agreed, we should sue the club for negligence if they’re not after him all gyms blazing.

Money talks. Just outbid Hawthorn. Need to make sure we get him.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

And a dodgy knee

Oh yeah forgot about his knee.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

The talk is that we need to get into the draft.
Well…. Gawn has signed for 2 more years. The Dees REALLY need a back up for him as well as an extra large forward target.
MASON COX.
He will serve the purpose for Gawn’s final 2 years. The Dees have 2 more years to press for the flag with Gawn (the best ruckman since Dean Cox) remains. Cox also offers support for Van Rooyen and Turner as they physically mature.
It doesn’t hurt us. We can play Frampton, Kreuger, Smit (most importantly) or Steene.
Surely we can push for a second rounder from Melbourne (pick 25-30)?

A couple years ago this was a possibility. The Dees would need to offer him 2-3 years. They should be looking at Wright as this sort of player.

 

[Hardas]

If we have cash to spare, we need to outbid Hawks for Battle. He’d be a great get.

A lockdown type who can play on different size fwds?
Yes, please.

 

[Carlthetruth]

They hold power to refuse a trade and risk losing him 12 months later for less as a 29 turning 30yo who may of sat out a year.

The whole trade scenario is BF rumour at this stage and tearing up a contract to completely quit Melbourne is part of that rumour only way to effectively do that is sit it out.

It doesn’t matter that we actively tried to move them out, the real factor is both refused to deal with more then 1 club.
Gold Coast had agreed to pick 5 for Treloar, we couldn’t get Treloar to move (why because at that stage there were other teams involved).
He settled on Dogs as the only suitor, this is why we had very little negotiation power as it was one team only, no bidding wars, no secondary teams upping the deal to barter off against the other.

It was effectively take it or leave it because the player won’t go elsewhere.

Trac and Pies could orchestrate the same despite the reason being different.

What part of he's signed a deal that goes for the next 5 years don't you understand?

 

[TradeDraft]

Hearing that Hine might be gone after the Draft

 

[gtrain23]

Battle is so good.

He is exactly what we need and exactly what Moore needs.

I'm not against paying him that money and at 25 he is exactly the age we need.

Is he a RFA or FA?

 

[Roverjg]

Non stop foot & hamstring injuries.

Both required surgery.

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[Roverjg]

They hold power to refuse a trade and risk losing him 12 months later for less as a 29 turning 30yo who may of sat out a year.

The whole trade scenario is BF rumour at this stage and tearing up a contract to completely quit Melbourne is part of that rumour only way to effectively do that is sit it out.

It doesn’t matter that we actively tried to move them out, the real factor is both refused to deal with more then 1 club.
Gold Coast had agreed to pick 5 for Treloar, we couldn’t get Treloar to move (why because at that stage there were other teams involved).
He settled on Dogs as the only suitor, this is why we had very little negotiation power as it was one team only, no bidding wars, no secondary teams upping the deal to barter off against the other.

It was effectively take it or leave it because the player won’t go elsewhere.

Trac and Pies could orchestrate the same despite the reason being different.

Treloar/ Grundy's situation is nothing like Petracca's. They were both contracted and did not want to leave. Because the Pies wanted them gone the players had the upper hand because they had to agree to go. Petracca is under contract and Melbourne do not want to lose him and can hold him to the contract. They can tell Petracca they will only deal with certain clubs who can facilitate a trade that satisfies them. Petracca at his age will not sit out of football as He will be in breach of contract and won't get paid. He will also lose the PR battle with the media already starting to accuse him of being petulant and sabotaging Melbourne's chances of recruiting players

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[Apex36]

They hold power to refuse a trade and risk losing him 12 months later for less as a 29 turning 30yo who may of sat out a year.

They have a 5 year contract to run, this isn’t a scenario like Hill or McCarthy where they were out of contract and out the door in 12 months. If they don’t get what they feel is a fair deal then they’re absolutely just going to keep him for what will likely be the rest of his career. He’s not sitting out for the year that’s wishful thinking.

The whole trade scenario is BF rumour at this stage and tearing up a contract to completely quit Melbourne is part of that rumour only way to effectively do that is sit it out.

It doesn’t matter that we actively tried to move them out, the real factor is both refused to deal with more then 1 club.
Gold Coast had agreed to pick 5 for Treloar, we couldn’t get Treloar to move (why because at that stage there were other teams involved).
He settled on Dogs as the only suitor, this is why we had very little negotiation power as it was one team only, no bidding wars, no secondary teams upping the deal to barter off against the other.

It was effectively take it or leave it because the player won’t go elsewhere.

Trac and Pies could orchestrate the same despite the reason being different.

Of course it matters that we were actively seeking to push them out. Plenty of clubs have out of contract players who they’d rather keep that nominate only one club (pretty much happens in every OOC trade scenario). The only time they ever walk away with unders though is if the destination club is lower than them on the ladder and have the threat of PAD to work with. Even then usually the trade ends up being fairly equitable. Pushing out players as a salary dump is what lowers their value a lot, and that’s what happened to us. That’s what has happened to GC and GWS a few times. If you think that wasn’t the driving factor behind our poor deals for Treloar and Grundy you’re just lying to yourself.

 

[No SPIN]

Jeez you can come up with some nonsense but that one was especially good.

Please point out what is implausible about what I’ve posted.
Only a naive fool would believe there are no circumstances where Melb would fold for self preservation.

I guess I’ve found one.

 

[Apex36]

Petracca may play very little football next season. We might be best to focus on recruiting him in 12 mths.
Let him recover for the next year, his value may diminish slightly and we’d be in a better position to trade.

From what I can tell the injury that will require the longest recovery time was his lacerated spleen, similar to the injury Cox had last year (albeit probably more severe) which he recovered from and played again.

Trac has been in recovery for 2 months already and has another 7 months of recovery time ahead of him. If he’s not playing round 1 he’ll be close to it imo, but Gone Critical can feel free to correct me if I’m horribly wrong.

 

[Hardas]

Is he a RFA or FA?

FA

 

[Bramax]

Is he a RFA or FA?

Unrestricted free agent

 

[Apex36]

Please point out what is implausible about what I’ve posted.

All of it.

 

[asongofnightsandliars]

My brother just texted me saying we should go after uncontracted Saint, Cooper Sharman. I haven't seen enough of him to comment either way, what are everyone's thoughts?

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[No SPIN]

All of it.

Then you are naive.

 

[loki04]

They have a 5 year contract to run, this isn’t a scenario like Hill or McCarthy where they were out of contract and out the door in 12 months. If they don’t get what they feel is a fair deal then they’re absolutely just going to keep him for what will likely be the rest of his career. He’s not sitting out for the year that’s wishful thinking.

Of course it matters that we were actively seeking to push them out. Plenty of clubs have out of contract players who they’d rather keep that nominate only one club (pretty much happens in every OOC trade scenario). The only time they ever walk away with unders though is if the destination club is lower than them on the ladder and have the threat of PAD to work with. Even then usually the trade ends up being fairly equitable. Pushing out players as a salary dump is what lowers their value a lot, and that’s what happened to us. That’s what has happened to GC and GWS a few times. If you think that wasn’t the driving factor behind our poor deals for Treloar and Grundy you’re just lying to yourself.

Most players are open to other options, players do nominate but they also aren't as hard-line out the door like the afformention players we have spoken about.

If you think Melbourne are going to hold him ransom whilst paying him for 5 years at the back end of his career whilst he sits out a year if things have broken down to the point thats rumoured, I think you're dead wrong. Teams very rarely hold a player against their will.

You are totally ignoring the fact the players refused other suitors who had better draft hands. It wasn't "just" because we had a fire sale.

As long as pies put a half equitable deal on the table I think they will take it. None of this 2 x first bs, Melbourne's hand is not that strong.

 

[Bramax]

From what I can tell the injury that will require the longest recovery time was his lacerated spleen, similar to the injury Cox had last year (albeit probably more severe) which he recovered from and played again.

Trac has been in recovery for 2 months already and has another 7 months of recovery time ahead of him. If he’s not playing round 1 he’ll be close to it imo, but Gone Critical can feel free to correct me if I’m horribly wrong.

I’ve heard if may be as much physical and mental with his recovery.
Maybe he’s ready early in the season but don’t forget, he has to keep is heart rate yo less than 110bpm for a while yet.

 

[No SPIN]

Hearing that Hine might be gone after the Draft

Another Facebook rumour?

 

[loki04]

What part of he's signed a deal that goes for the next 5 years don't you understand?

The bit where players are traded evey other year who are on long contracts.
Contracts in AFL don't mean fk all these days.
Just ask Treloar, Grundy, Adams, Stephenson just from our club alone.

Anyway this is all based off a hypothetical rumour. I'm just saying Melbourne's hand is not as strong as people are making out if what is being stated is true.

 

[JuniorB]

Is he a RFA or FA?

I think he's a UFA so he can go where he wants.
Choose us!

 

[Jen2310]

My brother just texted me saying we should go after uncontracted Saint, Cooper Sharman. I haven't seen enough of him to comment either way, what are everyone's thoughts?

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