Toast Collingwood unbeaten in King's Birthday Fixture

[76woodenspooners]

The only problem here is the queen was not truly a leader. She was an inspiration to some, to others a figurehead of an institution/system that many would consider oppressive and corrupt. If anything she represented a worship and acceptance of the status quo and that is not leadership. Certainly she was a wonderful example of dedication to service but in doing so did not achieve the sacrifice that tens/hundreds of thousands gave in her and her families name.

It’s not unreasonable to define a leader as somebody who is head of a bunch of people who follow them?

It is nice to see the best of people in their passing but lets not be blind to history. The Queen's family were supposed leaders whilst their subjects, their armies and their gentry brought about more suffering (in the royal families name) than any of the four above. You cannot separate the Queen from what she represents currently and historically. If you were going to make a worthwhile comparison then it would be with Mao, Stalin or Pol Pot.

I also included God in my list, and surely more suffering has been inflicted in His name than anybody else in human history? And second wouldn’t even be remotely close.

And if we are going to pin Elizabeth II as the representative of a historically repressive institution, surely we would do the same with US Presidents?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Royal family has a massive annual GDP uplift for the British economy


Without them, Britain would merely be a haven for kleptocrats and period dramas

Don’t forget the Russian Oligarchs.

 

[jmac70]

Excellent news. I'm elated.

Charlie was draft pick #1 for the throne, and I'm relieved he's older than Andrew; maybe we dodged a bullet there.

I'm working hard to reconcile your royalist and unionist tendencies mate!

I’m an enigma

 

[jmac70]

Nice article about Charles’ time at Geelong Grammar

Former Australian classmates intrigued as the boy in the bush becomes King Charles III | Victoria | The Guardian

King Charles III spent two terms at Geelong Grammar’s Timbertop campus, where he was embraced by students as one of their own

amp.theguardian.com

 

[NMBB]

Any economists or finance people in there ?
A consortium of private equity people would buy them in a heart beat as a biz
Thank you though (at Bunnies game and slow to open)

Alex Waislitz offered to buy them a while ago but none of them knew what due diligence meant so he gave up

 

[NMBB]

Excellent news. I'm elated.

Charlie was draft pick #1 for the throne, and I'm relieved he's older than Andrew; maybe we dodged a bullet there.

I'm working hard to reconcile your royalist and unionist tendencies mate!

Could we move Charles on for a tough inside mid?

Not sure we can pay any of his salary though.

It's been reported they have their own salary cap issues....

 

[jathanas]

Could we move Charles on for a tough inside mid?

Not sure we can pay any of his salary though.

It's been reported they have their own salary cap issues....

Is Charles really the heir?

 

[noideaatall]

It’s not unreasonable to define a leader as somebody who is head of a bunch of people who follow them?



I also included God in my list, and surely more suffering has been inflicted in His name than anybody else in human history? And second wouldn’t even be remotely close.

And if we are going to pin Elizabeth II as the representative of a historically repressive institution, surely we would do the same with US Presidents?

Your definition is not unreasonable. Nevertheless she was not a leader but a figurehead a bunch of people chose to follow.

In regard to God, when you consider the lack of evidence as to his/hers/their existence it becomes clear the suffering has been inflicted under human direction. No doubt we could argue the suffering under Lizzie, for example, was inflicted by the direction of other humans but Lizzie was real, was nominally in charge and certainly could have stopped or influenced that suffering. That would be leadership. She may have been head of this country but don't remember her apologising for the stolen generation (as an example).

Good idea on the US Presidents. All institutions should be held accountable for their actions, past and present. The one good thing about that system is they are not born to rule not unaccountable, much as Trump might want it to be that way. Which is my point about the Queen and current royal family. They seem like teflon. Heralded, worshipped but somehow unaccountable. Leaders without leading. Best example of idle worship I have ever seen.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Don’t forget the Russian Oligarchs.

They were under kleptocrats

 

[jathanas]

No doubt we could argue the suffering under Lizzie, for example, was inflicted by the direction of other humans but Lizzie was real, was nominally in charge and certainly could have stopped or influenced that suffering. That would be leadership. She may have been head of this country but don't remember her apologising for the stolen generation (as an example).

...

In support of your point.

“You can look at the monarchy from the point of view of high tea and nice outfits and charity,” said Alice Mugo, 34, a lawyer in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi. “But there’s also the ugly side, and for you to ignore the ugly side is dishonest.”

In Africa, tributes to the Queen are tempered by Britain’s bloody colonial past

The death of the Queen has evoked memories among some Africans of oppression enforced in the name of the Crown and reignited demands for the return of the crown jewels.

www.theage.com.au

But yes, the royal family are beneficial to Britain's economy through sales of merchandise and tourism.

 

[Maggie5]

Hmmm, not a good start for Charlie.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Your definition is not unreasonable. Nevertheless she was not a leader but a figurehead a bunch of people chose to follow.

In regard to God, when you consider the lack of evidence as to his/hers/their existence it becomes clear the suffering has been inflicted under human direction. No doubt we could argue the suffering under Lizzie, for example, was inflicted by the direction of other humans but Lizzie was real, was nominally in charge and certainly could have stopped or influenced that suffering. That would be leadership.

There’s no requirement that people need to be nice to qualify as leaders (see your examples of Mao and Pol Pot)

She may have been head of this country but don't remember her apologising for the stolen generation (as an example).

We’re any of the stolen generation taken in the name of the crown? I’m not aware of any.

I know that there was a long standing tradition for the monarch to never confirm or deny anything (which was broken in recent years) - maybe they have a policy on apologizing as well? Dunno.

I also haven’t gotten my head around the Queen being apolitical and yet influential and responsible. That’s a work in progress for me and interested to see how it looks under KCIII.

Good idea on the US Presidents. All institutions should be held accountable for their actions, past and present.

The “past” bit is only a recent thing and I reckon can be a bit dangerous.

Imagine if our descendants 50 years from now decided that contact sport was politically incorrect and expected CFC (amongst others) to apologise for exploiting athletes for money?

Obviously that sounds insanely crazy now, but there are things today that would seem just as insanely crazy to the prevailing sensibilities of society 50 years ago.

The one good thing about that system is they are not born to rule not unaccountable, …

King Charles I would have disagreed on that one

… much as Trump might want it to be that way. Which is my point about the Queen and current royal family. They seem like teflon. Heralded, worshipped but somehow unaccountable. Leaders without leading. Best example of idle worship I have ever seen.

But the point of them is that they’re above politics. They don’t have to lie and cheat and spin and deflect to get re-elected. There are benefits to a constitutional monarchy.

 

[sr36]

We've got stuff all ozone layer. Our hats should cover the top of the head - so piss off these crown wearers - unless they continue to give us unexpected public holidays.

 

[NMBB]

I’m an enigma

Thanks for the confession - I've always wondered.

Hugs btw

 

[NMBB]

Hmmm, not a good start for Charlie.

Not all servants were available - some were upstairs arranging Andrew's teddy bears

 

[jathanas]

Hmmm, not a good start for Charlie.

Haters would use that video clip as evidence that Geelong Charlie is a petulant tyrant.

All I see is a humble guy dedicated to public service asking his well compensated team of assistants to aid with the heavy lifting. He can't do it all by himself!

 

[NMBB]

Haters would use that video clip as evidence that Geelong Charlie is a petulant tyrant.

All I see is a humble guy dedicated to public service asking his well compensated team of assistants to aid with the heavy lifting. He can't do it all by himself!

Stop making excuses - I bet Fly doesn't mind moving a witches hat or two at training.... same thing really - this is how Fly dressed for his final interview with the Board - helped him nail the job

 

[JB1975]

Haters would use that video clip as evidence that Geelong Charlie is a petulant tyrant.

All I see is a humble guy dedicated to public service asking his well compensated team of assistants to aid with the heavy lifting. He can't do it all by himself!

I'm hoping that King Chuck 3 is certifiably insane, that his time in the big chair brings an effort to turn back the tide and reassert a few old royal prerogatives.

Chuck would know the sorts of things I'm thinking of.

If we have to put up with this odd collection of pompous imbeciles, at least let us be entertained.

 

[JB1975]

Stop making excuses - I bet Fly doesn't mind moving a witches hat or two at training.... same thing really - this is how Fly dressed for his final interview with the Board - helped him nail the job

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Those stately calves will make jathanas self-conscious.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Hmmm, not a good start for Charlie.

KCIII setting standards

 

[76woodenspooners]

I'm hoping that King Chuck 3 is certifiably insane, that his time in the big chair brings an effort to turn back the tide and reassert a few old royal prerogatives.

Chuck would know the sorts of things I'm thinking of.

If we have to put up with this odd collection of pompous imbeciles, at least let us be entertained.

Mad King Ludwig was a good prototype there …

… dedicated his reign to Wagner Operas and pouring the wealth of the state into building fairytale castles.

 

[JB1975]

Mad King Ludwig was a good prototype there …

… dedicated his reign to Wagner Operas and pouring the wealth of the state into building fairytale castles.

He bought a modest residence for Dick and Cosima...

Ludwig is one of the most generous groupies in history, but Wagner was always surprised that more wasn't dropped at his altar.

I hope that Chuck 3 is a fan of Dua Lipa.



Silly comment...of course he is!

 

[gouki88]

Ever been there, cobber?

Which place?

 

[NMBB]

They're not on display yet - but FMD it's getting close

 

[Markfs]

ok enough already about the queen's death. I saw some ridiculous article on rupert about the queen's cuase of death...she was friggin 96 people! And those royals quibbling about minor crap should actually live in a war zone or go without food for a few months, rather than fronting a charity so that they can attend endless presentations and functions... I know they indirectly support a million so-called journalists and royal experts around the world but just shut up and cut the ribbons and sign the legislation. I'm really pissed off that I'm not in a job at the moment and wont get the holiday.....I think I deserve a special payment for pain and suffering.