Preview Collingwood v Bulldogs - Round 1, 2021 - Fri @7:50

[Dogsman16]

Is there a minimum unavailability for the player if they come off injured and are subbed out now? I know it’s 12 days for a suspected concussion but for this rule to be rock solid, there needs to be at least a 12 day no play situation for any sort of subbed injury.

Can see Roarke being placed as our sub a lot. Same with Jong. Both versatile and match fit. Could play half a VFL game and I’d be comfortable that either could still come in for three quarters and perform.

Hate the idea of Marra being used in that role. He’s not flexible positionally and his fitness is currently garbage. He’d get much better gains from running out an entire VFL game.

"To be eligible for a medical substitution, the club doctor must decide that an injured player will be unable to play a game in the next 12 days."

So yes think its an automatic "one game injury suspension" so to speak.

Personally this rule suits our team as much as any. Our game plan historically goes to **** when we cop an injury and we also have a few soft issue candidates/injury prone players.

 

[dergert]

Love the new rule.

No doubt Essendon will exploit it.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Didn't the players use to hate being the sub? Sitting there on the bench in a high-viz vest, mostly not getting to do any damn thing.

 

[bobs head soup]

JJ seems like a good 23rd man candidate. Can slot in the backline, as a forward, or on a wing.

I can see Ed Richards there for similar reasons. Ed also has a tendency to be quite productive early in games, but disappear late. Could be a dynamic impact player entering the fray when others have slowed.

 

[ossie_21]

Incorrect on the Sunday games. It’s 24 hours before for all games like last year.

Ah, I thought it was returning to normal. Better this way as at least they can cut out the extended bench

 

[Northernsoul74]

Ah, I thought it was returning to normal. Better this way as at least they can cut out the extended bench

Not great for us SuperCoach geeks.

 

[maddog37]

Bright lights, big game MCG.

JUH time.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Wait, the sub is for all injuries? ****ing hell, that's nonsense.

As I posted on the main board, there is a very reasonable explanation as to why concussion substitutes should be a thing:

Concussion is not as crystal clear of a diagnosis as the kinds of injuries you're talking about. Further, players often feel fine but are putting themselves at greater risk by returning to the field.

In a lot of less severe cases the 'diagnosis' is an educated guess. Under normal circumstances, there is obviously huge pressure on players to return to field. Coaches, fans, the player themselves, teammates all want the player back on the field and that pressure makes it extraordinarily difficult for the doctors to make unbiased decisions.

The idea here is to reduce this pressure and unburden the decision making process to emphasise player health above all. It allows decisions to be more on the safer side, as opposed to having to deal with your decision causing your team to play one player down.

I'm sure the coaches see the opportunity to push for having an extra player, and that underpins their interest in it, but there is actually a reasonable explanation for why this might be more helpful for concussion than it is for broken legs etc.

That said, the lack of diagnostic clarity would make this rule easy to exploit and for that reason I'm in two minds about it.

But there is absolutely no need for a substitute for every injury, and is rife with the potential for exploitation.

I hate it.

 

[Dogsman16]

Wait, the sub is for all injuries? ******* hell, that's nonsense.

As I posted on the main board, there is a very reasonable explanation as to why concussion substitutes should be a thing:

But there is absolutely no need for a substitute for every injury, and is rife with the potential for exploitation.

I hate it.

Injury is also a 12 day mandatory "no play" period.

Would be interesting if a star player has a minor injury in the 3rd/4th quarter whether the sub is activated.

 

[maddog37]

My worry is the sub coming on while a player is being assessed.

That is the area most likely to be abused.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Injury is also a 12 day mandatory "no play" period.

I saw that, but I don't think that wholly mitigates the risk. It incentivises pulling sore but technically OK players from the game, and creates a situation where you can opt to assess players that don't truly require it to gain the advantage of fresh legs.

Above all, I just don't think an injury to a player should become an advantage to the team with the injured player. Especially late in games, an injury sub could really shift the game.

 

[Dogsman16]

I saw that, but I don't think that wholly mitigates the risk. It incentivises pulling sore but technically OK players from the game, and creates a situation where you can opt to assess players that don't truly require it to gain the advantage of fresh legs.

Above all, I just don't think an injury to a player should become an advantage to the team with the injured player. Especially late in games, an injury sub could really shift the game.

I think it becomes a major headache if the injury occurs to Bontempelli in comparison to the fringe players.

Probably yields a different outcome.

 

[Pugz89]

Richmond/Carlton will be today and we will be tomorrow, along with up to extended squads for Sunday’s games

As far as i'm aware, each team is getting named 24hrs prior to their game. So Sunday's teams won't be released until Saturday.

 

[DognBones]

IMO it's naïve to think club medical staff don't have at least some bias towards the club. We've seen them make some strange decisions in the past, plus they are not infallible. They make mistakes. I think a rule like this just opens up exploitation.

Not a fan.

Generally speaking, I think we should trust the integrity of medical personnel to make legitimate calls on a player's condition. However, could this scenario ever be possible?:
The Grand Final is in its last minutes, the score is close, both teams are fatigued, a player gets a high knock in a pack and is taken off the ground. He is deemed to be unable to resume. The 23rd man, a handy goal kicker, is subbed in and kicks the winning goal. The 12 day rule is redundant and the winning team holds the premiership cup.
Could never happen, could it?

 

[Tallsies]

Hope Treloar knows what colours he’s wearing on Friday night. The way he’s been going on about his love for Collingwood the last 4 months it’s like he’s still there.

 

[weltschmerz]

I can see Ed Richards there for similar reasons. Ed also has a tendency to be quite productive early in games, but disappear late. Could be a dynamic impact player entering the fray when others have slowed.

Dale also. Our borderline best 22 players. Dale can slot in the forward line (and send a resting midfielder back to the midfield, if it's a mid who gets injured), or manage all right off half back.

 

[doggies ftw]

I think with only 75 rotations an injury sub is good. Losing a player early could be catastrophic if you can’t rotate the bench enough to cover them, and could lead to more injuries etc.

but it should just be an independent AFL employed doctor assessing them, which stops any rorting of the system.

i can sort of see the argument that it’s almost a plus for a team to get an injury late to bring in someone fresh, but why wouldn’t that also apply to concussion rule. Why is it okay for a team to get a leg up by getting a concussion late but not by getting an injury late?

it’s not perfect but I think it’s needed

 

[maddog37]

I think with only 75 rotations an injury sub is good. Losing a player early could be catastrophic if you can’t rotate the bench enough to cover them, and could lead to more injuries etc.

but it should just be an independent AFL employed doctor assessing them, which stops any rorting of the system.

i can sort of see the argument that it’s almost a plus for a team to get an injury late to bring in someone fresh, but why wouldn’t that also apply to concussion rule. Why is it okay for a team to get a leg up by getting a concussion late but not by getting an injury late?

it’s not perfect but I think it’s needed

I always thought losing a player hurt as it limited your rotations. With rotations capped there should be less impact.

 

[doggies ftw]

I always thought losing a player hurt as it limited your rotations. With rotations capped there should be less impact.

Yeah I can see that but I think also if you’re losing a player for close to an entire game you have to cover that player which means you need more rotations to keep everyone fresh. Can see both ways I guess

 

[ringa5]

So who do you choose.Tall,mid,fwd or defender or the most versatile maybe a Andrea's Everitt or a Mr fixit type player.Great decision though.Well overdue for injury prone clubs like us and the Suns.

 

[Sentinel]

Treloar confirmed to be playing

 

[The Inbetweener]

Treloar confirmed to be playing

Video on club site says “debutant 1” so I guess that means at least one of McNeil or Scott will also be playing

 

[weltschmerz]

So who do you choose.Tall,mid,fwd or defender or the most versatile maybe a Andrea's Everitt or a Mr fixit type player.Great decision though.Well overdue for injury prone clubs like us and the Suns.

Richards, JJ, and Dale all come to mind for me.

 

[Dogsman16]

Video on club site says “debutant 1” so I guess that means at least one of McNeil or Scott will also be playing

Stef Martin also.

 

[Dogsman16]

Stef Martin also confirmed in.