Collingwoods reverse bandwagon

[jathanas]

I always get very upset when we lose, but just like everything else in life, the last thing you need in these situations is knee-jerk "over"reactions.

Everyone here is emotionally invested in the Collingwood Football Club. Not all are able to control their emotions after a disappointing game. But really, sack everyone and start again? Get a grip!

 

[KJpie]

I couldn't care if Collingwood came last, I'll support them until I die.

Then we could pick up Boyd

 

[KJpie]

I always get very upset when we lose, but just like everything else in life, the last thing you need in these situations is knee-jerk "over"reactions.
But really, sack everyone and start again? Get a grip!

Don't over react J we should hang onto Grundy.

 

[jathanas]

Don't over react J we should hang onto Grundy.

Thanks for the chuckles KJ! My family members are watching me LOL, they think I'm short a few bob...

 

[Checkside35]

Can those saying Buckley is a worry, anyone care to answer the following questions?

1) the last time MM had an injury list of this magnitude, we bottomed out. Should we have bottomed out and gone for the draft picks?
2) Hawthorn took 3 long years to get back to the big dance and failed. Sack Clarkson?
3) Geelong got knocked out last year after previously winning the flag. See ya Scott?
4) Heath Shaw has become more petulant than ever. Buckley's fault?
5) 2010, we were a bounce away from another heartbreaking loss. Why did St Kilda come back from the brink in the first GF?
6) 2011 final round = 98 point loss. GF 38 point loss and surrendered without a whimper. Players or MM? The players didn't play for MM in his last game?

 

[KJpie]

Thanks for the chuckles KJ! My family members are watching me LOL, they think I'm short a few bob...

Only a few?

Yeah we could all take a chill pill from time to time myself well and truly included.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Every team has a bandwagon, but "our" following is so big that we even have a reverse bandwagon of flogs who like to jump on board when the team is losing and bash on everything (particularly the coach) without reasoned or logical argument.

Bandwagon = All our players are the best we're winners
Our reverse bandwagon = Sack everyone - have them taken out to pasture we finished 6th on the ladder and firing everyone will make us win suddenly? - the teams fitness, lack of effort, mental lapses are all coaches fault (I'm sure someone can help add to the list)

I understand people saying we shouldn't accept mediocrity from where we are, but surely there has to be some reasoned argument not just spouting about the fact that we aren't as good as 2011 (which we faltered second half of the year anyway).

This board has gone crazy since we lost to port - who are a solid team and have weapons that work well against us (similar to GC), we obviously have problems that need fixing and firing everyone and trading our whole team isn't going to fix the issues.

People obviously love a vent but its getting chaotic when everything that goes on at the club is now Buckley's fault (Walsh, Buttifant) and the guy isn't perfect - his coaching and the selections weren't fantastic in the final vs port (overstatement) but its a combination of a lot of things going on at the club and firing him isn't going to make an immediate fix. Or is everything the fault of one or two players in our 22 that made errors in the final - Guess you could blame the loss on Scott Pendlebury, he dropped a few overhead marks didn't he? (oh wait no its all Maxwell, Brown and Sidebottoms fault - trade them!!!)

Everyone needs to stop before posting and think about how dumb some of the commentary has become - saying that we are 100% better than port in every area is dumb, saying that we deserved to beat them because we're purely a better team is dumb. We deserve nothing. Port are on the rise and really improving, we are in a bit of a flat spot without any real spark at the moment (and tbh there isn't anyone on our list with that aspect to their game)

Maybe I should try to ignore the people who only seem to be about when we lose so they can bash on everyone from top to bottom without an actual solution other than fire/trade a team but jeez is it going to be like this for the next few weeks or will these people slowly disappear from the reverse bandwagon as the offseason wears on, only to pop back up next year (unless we go undefeated)

Brilliant post, but unfortunately so many will fail to understand 1 word of it

 

[jathanas]

Sorry Checkside, but any deductive reasoning is strongly discouraged during these turbulent times! Please! Join in the drama or keep quiet...

Can those saying Buckley is a worry, anyone care to answer the following questions?

1) the last time MM had an injury list of this magnitude, we bottomed out. Should we have bottomed out and gone for the draft picks?
2) Hawthorn took 3 long years to get back to the big dance and failed. Sack Clarkson?
3) Geelong got knocked out last year after previously winning the flag. See ya Scott?
4) Heath Shaw has become more petulant than ever. Buckley's fault?
5) 2010, we were a bounce away from another heartbreaking loss. Why did St Kilda come back from the brink in the first GF?
6) 2011 final round = 98 point loss. GF 38 point loss and surrendered without a whimper. Players or MM? The players didn't play for MM in his last game?

 

[PieNSauce]

No we were meant to be challenging for the flag. That's why we topped up Young Russell Hudson and Lynch. Buckley thought he could pinch it. We weren't even close. Now what.

Meant to be... WTF drugs are you on Wayne Carey? Seriously are you 5 years old? Nobody is meant to be doing anything, you may have built overblown expectations in your own head but the logical supporter understands that every year poses new challenges and there are a myriad of variables that will dictate the outcome. I for one am still convinced that we have the list and the coach to be better than any other side but I'm not stupid enough to believe that this alone will win you premierships. I think I learned that when I was approaching puberty. Clearly some people never learn.

 

[Chameleon75]

Oh my effing god! This board needs a cleanout. Hopefully the Carlton board will draft a significant number of our posters because I can't stand the sky is falling attitude of so many of our so called "supporters". Go and barrack for Melbourne or Carlton where your "baby and bathwater" attitudes are the norm. Honestly, if the vibe on this board continues I'm out of here. What a pack of weak livered poor excuses for supporters we seem to have on this board. Of course there are plenty to whom I do not address this thread but as far as I'm concerned a few of you need to learn the dictionary meaning of the word supporter and stop reading children's fairytales.

Apologies to true Collingwood supporters. This post is not directed at you!

They're in the situation they're in because no one ever questioned poor decisions.

We're all supporters and we all love the club, and all this 'I'm a bigger supporter than you' is futile. Some people are happy following without ever questioning, that's fine we need those, while others might question decisions and direction, well that's fine because we need them too.

 

[Captivating]

Meant to be... WTF drugs are you on Wayne Carey? Seriously are you 5 years old? Nobody is meant to be doing anything, you may have built overblown expectations in your own head but the logical supporter understands that every year poses new challenges and there are a myriad of variables that will dictate the outcome. I for one am still convinced that we have the list and the coach to be better than any other side but I'm not stupid enough to believe that this alone will win you premierships. I think I learned that when I was approaching puberty. Clearly some people never learn.

Post like this shit me, irrespective of whether they come from the bandwagon or reverse bandwagon group. When you're realise you've lost the argument, you start denigrating the other person.

 

[Chameleon75]

I always get very upset when we lose, but just like everything else in life, the last thing you need in these situations is knee-jerk "over"reactions.

Everyone here is emotionally invested in the Collingwood Football Club. Not all are able to control their emotions after a disappointing game. But really, sack everyone and start again? Get a grip!

Well said. Cool headed review of players, coaches and staff is more beneficial. Look what happened at geelong after their review, no knee jerk reaction, proactive changes.

 

[Trav68]

I agree. I go and support every week. I don't go to the games to bag coach and players. You can't win every week. You need all your cards to fall right to win a flag. We have blooded more youngsters this year than any other club. When you have young players, you will have inconsistent performances. We have ben eliminated. Big deal. It's not the end of he world. Go Pies forever !

Been sitting here trying to work out how I feel about this season. Then I read the above and now I feel much better. The club owes me nothing. I'll be back in N34 next year, and I can't bloody wait. Go Pies. Side by Side.

 

[PieNSauce]

They're in the situation they're in because no one ever questioned poor decisions.

We're all supporters and we all love the club, and all this 'I'm a bigger supporter than you' is futile. Some people are happy following without ever questioning, that's fine we need those, while others might question decisions and direction, well that's fine because we need them too.

I have no problem with questioning decisions and direction as I do it myself but the difference between me an the people to whom I directed that post is that I use reasoned thought rather than Lilly livered knee jerk uneducated calls for the sacking of people who cannot possibly control all of the variables. Have passion sure but a bit of logic doesn't go astray before people make absolute idiots of themselves in a public forum.

 

[BusterBob]

Every team has a bandwagon, but "our" following is so big that we even have a reverse bandwagon of flogs who like to jump on board when the team is losing and bash on everything (particularly the coach) without reasoned or logical argument.

Bandwagon = All our players are the best we're winners
Our reverse bandwagon = Sack everyone - have them taken out to pasture we finished 6th on the ladder and firing everyone will make us win suddenly? - the teams fitness, lack of effort, mental lapses are all coaches fault (I'm sure someone can help add to the list)

Agree, great post. It's hard after the shock of that unexpected exit, to step back and think it through in a reasoned way. And damn those 6 long months until our next game.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

They're in the situation they're in because no one ever questioned poor decisions.

We're all supporters and we all love the club, and all this 'I'm a bigger supporter than you' is futile. Some people are happy following without ever questioning, that's fine we need those, while others might question decisions and direction, well that's fine because we need them too.

I must admit I don't like getting preached at either. Supporters come in all shapes and sizes. PieNsauce is a highly respected poster, but to demand these sorts of puritanical standards from supporters in the wake of such an insipid final's performance is asking just a bit too much. If you don't like the debate then stay off the board, or at very least, pick your threads carefully. Furthermore, the quoted passage hardly deserves a locked thread of its own.

 

[PieNSauce]

Post like this shit me, irrespective of whether they come from the bandwagon or reverse bandwagon group. When you're realise you've lost the argument, you start denigrating the other person.

Ha ha well I can't say that I speak whatever language it is you're speaking but I'm guessing that you're agreeing with what I've said. Denigrating the coach on the back of issues he can't possibly control is utterly ridiculous and if that means they've lost the argument then I agree with you.

 

[BusterBob]

Not the rumors and speculations that concern me its the irrational arguments coming up.
I'd say there are probably 10 or so posters bleating on every post for Buckley's head at the moment - turning everything to a fire Buckley, or blame Maxwell, trade Brown because he cant stop Buddy/Cameron/Tippett

Yep we cant win it this year and yep we have some really good players in their prime but there is so little 'constructive' going on and more just bashing everything and everyone

And if Side by Side means anything, it means remaining supporters when times feel tough. Not saying that means there aren't valid criticisms to be made (Heath comes to mind).

 

[PieNSauce]

I must admit I don't like getting preached at either. Supporters come in all shapes and sizes. PieNsauce is a highly respected poster, but to demand these sorts of puritanical standards from supporters in the wake of such an insipid final's performance is asking just a bit too much. If you don't like the debate then stay off the board, or at very least, pick your threads carefully. Furthermore, the quoted passage hardly deserves a locked thread of its own.

Nobody has said that you should be happy with the performance but the reality is that to suggest sacking the coach shows a complete lack of understanding of the factors that go onto winning premierships. I just believe we have a lot of posters with an agenda, that's all.

 

[BusterBob]

As a supporter of many years, I was disgusted to see players posting photos on Facebook from their hotel on the Gold coast after their loss. They were in party mode after a disgraceful performance. Buckley let them enjoy the weekend as a special treat for their performances.
Even after Saturdays loss Sidebottom was posting photos of himself partying on Facebook. The culture is one of party party party.

Sounds like there are problems with Sidebottom, from a few posts like this. In which case what a shame, he was ... joyful in his playing last year. If he's posting party pics after Saturday's loss he's clearly not feeling our pain.

 

[Checkside35]

Sorry Checkside, but any deductive reasoning is strongly discouraged during these turbulent times! Please! Join in the drama or keep quiet...

Sorry, ummmm....ok....here goes.
Up yours you hand wringing knobs. Buckley is the best of all time......OF ALL TIME!
Mick was all about Mick. One flag in 12 long years. Bloody overrated. All you Mick lovers piss off to Carltank!
Too much?

 

[3kicks3goals]

In three years time I think we'll look back and think that this was the year we had to have. Rather than holding on to past glories we are trying to build a team for the next five years, rather than bottoming out like St Kilda are doing now and others have done in the past. The pain stings but you learn from it - it'll be so much sweeter when success does come.

 

[MyManLynch]

This board is going into meltdown.

Just imagine if we made the GF & lost.......it would be worse.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Nobody has said that you should be happy with the performance but the reality is that to suggest sacking the coach shows a complete lack of understanding of the factors that go onto winning premierships. I just believe we have a lot of posters with an agenda, that's all.

I obviously don't see as many sacking posts as you and when I do I see plenty of posts supporting him. Your main post criticised the 'sky is falling' approach of posters, but now you seem to be narrowing your criticism to posters calling for the sacking of Bucks. Perhaps you should have been more specific. You seemed to be suggesting that all posts questioning the club were unacceptable to your supporting ideals. Are we allowed to question the worth of our players, our fitness staff and our assistant coaches, or are we meant to be upbeat in our remarks about them as well?

 

[MyManLynch]

We are on a forum where everyone has a different opinion.

Imagine how awful it would be if EVERYONE shared the same opinion. What discussion would there be?

I disagree.