Collingwoods reverse bandwagon

[PieNSauce]

I've lost track of my own OP -- dammit!

Stolen and distorted through merger I'm afraid. Was not my intention nor doing... apologies just the same.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Yes you can, you either bottom out or make the top 4. Everything inbetween is unacceptable and thats what we had under Malthouse. We never got to finals and failed in the first week.

Is that so?

 

[noideaatall]

What came first? The chicken or the egg?

Hinkley (and/or Richardson, and/or Nicks) set up exactly like we did when we beat you earlier in the year. Cloke double-teamed, one or two spare men back to hit contests third-up, midfielders pushing back hard into space and slingshotting out to the wings on the rebound.

As a result the majority of your copious inside 50's ended with shots from hard on the boundary, distance shots from 40-50m, deep bombs that were easily rushed through or the tons of intercept marks taken by the likes of O'Shea and Westhoff which contributed to your ball-use looking horrid and were the basis for many of our score launches.

All night Buckley and his box didn't respond.

Now whether they actually could when faced with the lack of a quality second tall (Dawes, Lynch injured, Reid looking like a fish out of water) to take some much-needed heat off Cloke is obviously up for debate and putting a forward tag on the likes of Broadbent may've taken too much away from what was still an ascendant midfield, but the manner of our win just seemed like history repeating - those that don't learn from its mistakes are doomed to repeat them and all that.

And for this very reason I honestly thought we wouldn't get away with it again like we did at Football Park, but once again it just seemed as if the Hinkley plan reigned supreme - we could soak up anything and counterpunch at will.

I don't see anything new in the way we were beaten - teams have been doing that to us all year. If its the Hinkley plan then he must have shared it around.

Nothing really new in our inability to respond either. Thats the chicken, egg and rooster all in one if you ask me. I can only hope we spend all summer hatching a new response.

 

[loki04]

Yes but we got to a prelim. Still a good effort that set us up to win the flag.

But we were better in last years prelim and only lost by 26, yet that is somehow worse then Micks 80 point loss in a prelim in 09?

 

[THATSGOLD]

But we were better in last years prelim and only lost by 26, yet that is somehow worse then Micks 80 point loss in a prelim in 09?

Can you honestly see Buckley taking us to a flag or being as successful as that? He's half the coach Malthouse is.

 

[PieNSauce]

Can you honestly see Buckley taking us to a flag or being as successful as that? He's twice the coach Malthouse is.

Fixed!

 

[loki04]

Can you honestly see Buckley taking us to a flag or being as successful as that? He's half the coach Malthouse is.

My honest opinion is jury is still out.

I have some major concerns but I can aslo see reasons as to why these concerns may have appeared.

My concerns are very much:

Gameplan - lack of it other then blind bomb to outnumbered forwards.

Forward line functionality and diversity in players in that system, our players are often static inside the F50 don't create space for each other, don't block for each other, don't have any crumbing players etc.

Ball movement off HB is often static this could relate to poor forward line systems not giving these players an "out" or decent option to kick to.

Too many players selected who are NQR (height, speed, size) and poorly skilled, you can cover a few poor kicks but we have too many and it completely undoes any good they may do.

General fitness and skill level.

These are genuine concerns I have and imo valid concerns that need to be addressed but as yet haven't in 2 seasons.

Now is this due as rumoured when Buckley tried to change things he had a senior group of players basically playing our old brand and the result was half a side doing 1 thing the other pulling in another direction causing a giant mess?

Who knows but I think Buckley needs and deserves the time to implement his "brand" and to do that he needs to recruit for it something you can't do in 1 draft year which is all he has had access too.


Buckley is an intelligent man and wont rest on his laurels or be so stubborn to cut his own nose off, he will change things and seek better ways to do it imo.

 

[THATSGOLD]

My honest opinion is jury is still out.

I have some major concerns but I can aslo see reasons as to why these concerns may have appeared.

My concerns are very much:

Gameplan - lack of it other then blind bomb to outnumbered forwards.

Forward line functionality and diversity in players in that system, our players are often static inside the F50 don't create space for each other, don't block for each other, don't have any crumbing players etc.

Ball movement off HB is often static this could relate to poor forward line systems not giving these players an "out" or decent option to kick to.

Too many players selected who are NQR (height, speed, size) and poorly skilled, you can cover a few poor kicks but we have too many and it completely undoes any good they may do.

General fitness and skill level.

These are genuine concerns I have and imo valid concerns that need to be addressed but as yet haven't in 2 seasons.

Now is this due as rumoured when Buckley tried to change things he had a senior group of players basically playing our old brand and the result was half a side doing 1 thing the other pulling in another direction causing a giant mess?

Who knows but I think Buckley needs and deserves the time to implement his "brand" and to do that he needs to recruit for it something you can't do in 1 draft year which is all he has had access too.


Buckley is an intelligent man and wont rest on his laurels or be so stubborn to cut his own nose off, he will change things and seek better ways to do it imo.

If we can see the alarms bells, why can't others?

 

[PieNSauce]

If we can see the alarms bells, why can't others?

The assumption here is that the club can't see (sic) the alarm bells but reality says you can't just cut half your list on 5 minutes notice even if they won't buy in. I reckon the coming days will see another round of cuts which have already started and then hopefully Bucks will have a supportive playing group. Personally I'd rather have an inexperienced playing group with an absolute commitment to the club than a team full of stars who think they know better or let personalities get in the way of doing their job.

 

[Scottabe_pendles]

If we can see the alarms bells, why can't others?

Thats not the point of his post at all the key line being "My honest opinion is jury is still out."

Where half the people on here are calling for his head or basically stating that we're going nowhere he has said CLEARLY

"Buckley is an intelligent man and wont rest on his laurels or be so stubborn to cut his own nose off, he will change things and seek better ways to do it"

In other words the presumption is things are being worked on - which so many posters dont seem to understand... I thought our exits from the back half did improve as the year went on although kicking skills are still a problem down there. Forward entries don't appear to have been fixed but again - I would hope Buckley is working on getting the right mix of game plan an personnel to fix this!

 

[Pie eyed]

Yes but we got to a prelim. Still a good effort that set us up to win the flag.

Trying to have it 3 ways now?
Concede you are wrong.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Trying to have it 3 ways now?
Concede you are wrong.

You are acting like a kelpie in a sheep pen, but you are dealing with a less mobile creature, a penguin. Corner him, make him squirm and confess that he has ****ed himself on this topic! Bite him once or twice if you have to (or even if you don't have to)!