Collingwoods reverse bandwagon

[noideaatall]

Which wagon are you on?

The bandwagon of meaningful discussion. This thread had half a scent of something meaningful in the op, like the value of negative pricks vs postive arseholes, before it degenerated into a bland 20 sec blurb of what each particular posteres thinks is the problem, mainly bucks v nobucks.

The bandwagon that has a poor net connection and is absolutely sick of inconsiderate posters that make huge posts with meaningless spaces or reply to gifs/pictures/whatever they are with a copy and 'thats golden'! Pretentious dickheads, thats what like is for.

The bandwagon that doesn't mind reverse, inverse, up your verse, whatever you like so long as it involved some meaningful discussion rather than the usual suspects blaming the usual fall guy.

 

[Pera]

I disagree.

haha

 

[jerry springer]

as usual, the truth hurts

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

The bandwagon of meaningful discussion. This thread had half a scent of something meaningful in the op, like the value of negative pricks vs postive arseholes, before it degenerated into a bland 20 sec blurb of what each particular posteres thinks is the problem, mainly bucks v nobucks.

The bandwagon that has a poor net connection and is absolutely sick of inconsiderate posters that make huge posts with meaningless spaces or reply to gifs/pictures/whatever they are with a copy and 'thats golden'! Pretentious dickheads, thats what like is for.

The bandwagon that doesn't mind reverse, inverse, up your verse, whatever you like so long as it involved some meaningful discussion rather than the usual suspects blaming the usual fall guy.

I suggest you do what I just did and go through all the posts in this thread. I found 2 posts that laid the blame on Bucks and far more that praised him. The most 'negative' (i.e. if you wanna call them such) came in p3 after PieNsauce accused people of being negative, then got a few replies arguing with his observation. I think you have misread this thread or only remember it as you want to. The extent of negativity and the 'bland 20 sec blurb of what each particular posteres thinks is the problem, mainly bucks v nobucks' simply do not exist in reality to the extent it does in your mind.

 

[RuFiO]

as usual, the truth hurts

Love hurts, love scars, love wounds
And mars, any heart
Not tough or strong enough
To take a lot of pain, take a lot of pain
Love is like a cloud
Holds a lot of rain
Love hurts......ooh, ooh love hurts

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Love hurts, love scars, love wounds
And mars, any heart
Not tough or strong enough
To take a lot of pain, take a lot of pain
Love is like a cloud
Holds a lot of rain
Love hurts......ooh, ooh love hurts

Certainly must have hurt Gram Parsons. He topped himself.

 

[Scottabe_pendles]

I've lost track of my own OP -- dammit!

 

[noideaatall]

I suggest you do what I just did and go through all the posts in this thread. I found 2 posts that laid the blame on Bucks and far more that praised him. The most 'negative' (i.e. if you wanna call them such) came in p3 after PieNsauce accused people of being negative, then got a few replies arguing with his observation. I think you have misread this thread or only remember it as you want to. The extent of negativity and the 'bland 20 sec blurb of what each particular posteres thinks is the problem, mainly bucks v nobucks' simply do not exist in reality to the extent it does in your mind.

Reread after reading any number of threads of the same ilk. My point being reading pages of similar stuff is driving me crazy, delineated threads that focus on particular stuff is what I am interested in. Are you seriously telling me the thread focused on the 'reverse bandwagon' question?

You asked me, I answered, no doubt I have my head up my arse. Happy with that. Didn't see any decent competitive light shining out of this thread. Wasn't including your own good commentary in that of course.

 

[RuFiO]

I've lost track of my own OP -- dammit!

Don't worry. Everyone lost their own OP.
Let this be a lesson. Don't make positive threads.
Wait a minute, your thread didn't get merged....

 

[Staki_13]

What are our odds now?

Still above Melbourne

 

[Scottabe_pendles]

Maybe everyone should think on the positive - at least people give enough of a sh*t about us to have a reverse bandwagon -- North would die to have that sort of coverage HA HA

 

[Pie eyed]

You didn't really specify which bandwagon you are on. You do realise that there are 2?

I'm on the one which visited the "G" a couple of times in 77', did a bit of circle work there in 1990, stopped twice in 2010, briefly parked then left in 2011 and is on it's way to 2014.

The good one.

 

[Pie eyed]

This board is going into meltdown.

ROFL.
TD is naked, smeared head to toe in vaseline and is rolling in a pile of cheese twisties, yelling "SCUMPS!"

 

[jmac70]

The main problem I have with the reverse bandwagon group of posters is that they keep harping on about the past. I don't have a problem with people who disagreed with the succession plan, however they continue to allow it to affect their judgement of Buckley. It is not reasonable to suggest that Bucks should be sacked after only two years in charge. Some posters may think that I am a blind follower of Bucks however I believe that this is untrue. I recognise that he has things to work on and that expectations for improvement are justified for 2014. The difference is that I and many other posters are prepared to support him and the club to make the changes necessary to deliver success.

 

[Brad Goodman]

We are on a forum where everyone has a different opinion.

Imagine how awful it would be if EVERYONE shared the same opinion. What discussion would there be?

We'd probably spend more time contributing to society.

 

[Pie eyed]

I'm sick of threads that no one makes any attempt to keep to and create meaningful discussion.

It is not like the discussion has not been had a dozen times.
Really.
Some will put their point, others the opposing view, generally, the former reiterates the same original view with spurious supporting additions, the latter responds in kind, the former reiterates more sternly with the latter bolstering their standpoint equally and so it goes....Until the team wins.
The then is a reverse symbiotic relationship the latter posts triumphantly, initiating a response form the former ad infinitum until the team loses another game.
And so it goes during the year.
Unfortunatley the former has the upper hand for 6 months until the boys have another win.

IA perfect world would have the former buying the latter a beer, with the former reciprocating until round 2 next year....but it's not a perfect world.

 

[THATSGOLD]

You can't have it both ways.



And the injuries were unprecedented.
So it turned into a massive rebuild

Yes you can, you either bottom out or make the top 4. Everything inbetween is unacceptable and thats what we had under Malthouse. We never got to finals and failed in the first week.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Reread after reading any number of threads of the same ilk. My point being reading pages of similar stuff is driving me crazy, delineated threads that focus on particular stuff is what I am interested in. Are you seriously telling me the thread focused on the 'reverse bandwagon' question?

You asked me, I answered, no doubt I have my head up my arse. Happy with that. Didn't see any decent competitive light shining out of this thread. Wasn't including your own good commentary in that of course.

No I am not telling you that the thread focused on the reverse bandwagon theme. What I did tell you is that only 2 posts were essentially anti-Bux, because I thought your greatest concern was the anti Bux focus of so many posts. Frankly, I would have experienced difficulty focusing solely on reverse bandwagons. I can understand why this thread set off on another tangent.

 

[loki04]

Yes you can, you either bottom out or make the top 4. Everything inbetween is unacceptable and thats what we had under Malthouse. We never got to finals and failed in the first week.

LMAO yes we did.

2001 we finished 9th.
2006 we were smacked off the park by the Dogs EF by 41.
2008 knocked out by Saints in Semi by 38 points.
2009 lost EF then made the PF and was embarrassed by Geelong 120 to 47.

 

[THATSGOLD]

LMAO yes we did.

2001 we finished 9th.
2006 we were smacked off the park by the Dogs EF by 41.
2008 knocked out by Saints in Semi by 38 points.
2009 lost EF then made the PF and was embarrassed by Geelong 120 to 47.

06 is the exception. BUT it set us up from 07 to 11. 08 and 09 we weren't knocked out first round semi and Prelim was a good but disappointing result.

 

[loki04]

06 is the exception. BUT it set us up from 07 to 11. 08 and 09 we weren't knocked out first round semi and Prelim was a good but disappointing result.

Was also about in between finish' as much as poor showings in finals games.

09 we was an embarrassing loss to Geebung.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Was also about in between finish' as much as poor showings in finals games.

09 we was an embarrassing loss to Geebung.

Yes but we got to a prelim. Still a good effort that set us up to win the flag.

 

[tribey]

I don't think we were outcoached. We won most statistical categories. The problem was clearly ball use.

What came first? The chicken or the egg?

Hinkley (and/or Richardson, and/or Nicks) set up exactly like we did when we beat you earlier in the year. Cloke double-teamed, one or two spare men back to hit contests third-up, midfielders pushing back hard into space and slingshotting out to the wings on the rebound.

As a result the majority of your copious inside 50's ended with shots from hard on the boundary, distance shots from 40-50m, deep bombs that were easily rushed through or the tons of intercept marks taken by the likes of O'Shea and Westhoff which contributed to your ball-use looking horrid and were the basis for many of our score launches.

All night Buckley and his box didn't respond.

Now whether they actually could when faced with the lack of a quality second tall (Dawes, Lynch injured, Reid looking like a fish out of water) to take some much-needed heat off Cloke is obviously up for debate and putting a forward tag on the likes of Broadbent may've taken too much away from what was still an ascendant midfield, but the manner of our win just seemed like history repeating - those that don't learn from its mistakes are doomed to repeat them and all that.

And for this very reason I honestly thought we wouldn't get away with it again like we did at Football Park, but once again it just seemed as if the Hinkley plan reigned supreme - we could soak up anything and counterpunch at will.

 

[PieNSauce]

I obviously don't see as many sacking posts as you and when I do I see plenty of posts supporting him. Your main post criticised the 'sky is falling' approach of posters, but now you seem to be narrowing your criticism to posters calling for the sacking of Bucks. Perhaps you should have been more specific. You seemed to be suggesting that all posts questioning the club were unacceptable to your supporting ideals. Are we allowed to question the worth of our players, our fitness staff and our assistant coaches, or are we meant to be upbeat in our remarks about them as well?

No, that was your interpretation of what I posted. There is no doubt that some things need to be questioned and I'm absolutely certain that is exactly what the club will do. There have certainly been injury issues these last two years and who knows whether they are just a terrible twist of bad fortune or the result of poor conditioning but the club would be remiss not to look at it. My post was very much directed at people running around like headless chooks and calling for the sacking of the coach. Those same people in the main are the ones who have had an agenda since before Bucks took over from Malthouse and have never let up purely because they didn't agree with the decision. For the most part those posters barely even acknowledge our horror injury run or other relevant factors. Worse still, those posters seem to think that just because you have a good team you have a god given right to win premierships when the reality is that 3 or 4 other good teams will not win a premiership this year despite having a list good enough to do it. Many of them were happy to spout at the end of 2010 that we had won well ahead of schedule with the list we had and yet with a very different looking list in 2012 and 2013 we're somehow meant to be winning the premiership. Hell, the so called master coach has won one in the last 18 years and doesn't look like getting close to one again for some time.

Ultimately I have no problem with people being disappointed or questioning the club but the incessant illogical attacks on the coach are becoming very boring and come across as the worst kind of disloyalty. Disloyalty based on some logic defying notion that Mick was a great coach and their personal dislike of Bucks. I don't happen to like everyone at Collingwood but as a supporter I support the club in making informed decisions on who it appoints because it carries the can for those decisions and I have confidence that the management of the club does its due diligence despite the nonsensical, unfounded notion that Eddie makes unilateral decisions on such things.

What I've been reading here over the last couple of days disgusts me and frankly I'm very glad I don't know some of these people personally because some friendships might be sorely tested with the crap I'm reading. Yes they have a right to their opinion just as I do but when people carry such an obvious illogical agenda it's very difficult to take them seriously. If you think I'm angry then you're right. I thought this was the Collingwood board, not the Richmond board.

 

[PieNSauce]

I suggest you do what I just did and go through all the posts in this thread. I found 2 posts that laid the blame on Bucks and far more that praised him. The most 'negative' (i.e. if you wanna call them such) came in p3 after PieNsauce accused people of being negative, then got a few replies arguing with his observation. I think you have misread this thread or only remember it as you want to. The extent of negativity and the 'bland 20 sec blurb of what each particular posteres thinks is the problem, mainly bucks v nobucks' simply do not exist in reality to the extent it does in your mind.

In fairness, the merging of my thread with this one robbed both of context and hijacked the responses in both threads by giving the perception that responses to one thread were posted in the knowledge of what was in the other. I'm not a fan of merging threads in this type of circumstance because this type of distortion of the meaning in individual posts is often the result.