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[The Mongrel Punt]

Re: AFL vs World Cup

Nah I say the aussie way mate, capish paysano?

Fair enough. I don't say it all.

Comprende?

 

[Benno From Berwick]

Re: AFL vs World Cup

Who is whinging?

You are!

 

[Philosophunculist]

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Both sports can and will co-exist without a problem. THe popularity of the AFL is not at risk. It's Australia's national code and always will be. Some people talk about a talent drain, but it's not the AFL that should be concerned it's the smaller amatuerish sports such as Athletics, Hockey and Swimming.

I, like many others, enjoy both sports. Some people love AFL and hate soccer, some people like soccer and hate AFL. Each to their own.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

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Im not endorsing the violence but that violence is a result of the tension and passion evoked from the game. A game that can push someone to violence obviosly means something to somebody. This is the attidtude that will cost the AFL 'All will be well' yeah lets just lay low until it all blows over. That was Chamberlain's idea when he gave Germany Poland, yeah give them a bit and it will be fine. Unfortunately some things dont blow over

So you're likening it to events that stimulated a declaration of war?

I have no question that soccer is an issue that the AFL needs to address at grass-roots level, but people calling it 'the beautiful game' and so forth need to have a reality check. Ahhh, the beautiful game... there's something that timid mothers can embrace. There's no way little Timmy will get hurt playing the beautiful game, is there? Oh hell, what was that? Is that a riot in the stands and a huge brawl involving hundreds of people in the crowd, spilling onto the field and now a referee is being chased and attacked by irate supporters? Hmmm, maybe this soccer thing isn't such a good idea after all.

That's all it will take, and it'll set soccer back ten years again.

 

[Horj]

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So you're likening it to events that stimulated a declaration of war?

I have no question that soccer is an issue that the AFL needs to address at grass-roots level, but people calling it 'the beautiful game' and so forth need to have a reality check. Ahhh, the beautiful game... there's something that timid mothers can embrace. There's no way little Timmy will get hurt playing the beautiful game, is there? Oh hell, what was that? Is that a riot in the stands and a huge brawl involving hundreds of people in the crowd, spilling onto the field and now a referee is being chased and attacked by irate supporters? Hmmm, maybe this soccer thing isn't such a good idea after all.

That's all it will take, and it'll set soccer back ten years again.

You fool it merely an example of how things escalate when things are left to their own devices. Would you leave a spot fire in a paddock in the hope it will burn out hell no. And these soccer riots despite the odd one in europe occur in south america and other parts of the world where law enforcement is questionable. And no it doesnt seem to harm the image of 'the beautiful game' because despite all these 'riots' it is still the worlds most popular sport without equal

 

[Nandoz]

I love my AFL footy and love my Dons

but no AFL match, ANZAC day included, has lived up to attending the WC qualifier in Sydney or the atmosphere of the Greece game

no AFL match could possibly have a national audience as great as last night or the qualifier- im assuming more than 1 in every 2 TV set was tuned into the football last night

no AFL event could send a whole country into such a state of hysteria

obviously when the green and gold is together, it becomes a national event - but these socceroos are just proving to the world what they can do and i guarantee it will have a greater impact on Aussie sport development especcially should we have a good showing against Brazil and even make it to the second round

more kids will be wanting to pull on the green and gold than to play for their favourite footy team

AFL and football can coexist - but to say that AFL is by no means worried about the world game and its potential impact, is just short sighted and foolish

GO YOU AUSSIE C*NTS!

 

[Im The Gun]

79,000 on a cold melbournes day said it all.

 

[Philosophunculist]

Re: AFL vs World Cup

So you're likening it to events that stimulated a declaration of war?

I have no question that soccer is an issue that the AFL needs to address at grass-roots level, but people calling it 'the beautiful game' and so forth need to have a reality check. Ahhh, the beautiful game... there's something that timid mothers can embrace. There's no way little Timmy will get hurt playing the beautiful game, is there? Oh hell, what was that? Is that a riot in the stands and a huge brawl involving hundreds of people in the crowd, spilling onto the field and now a referee is being chased and attacked by irate supporters? Hmmm, maybe this soccer thing isn't such a good idea after all.

That's all it will take, and it'll set soccer back ten years again.

What happens when little Timmy hits the big time and earns AU$150000 a week in one of the world most glamourous and exciting leagues? What happens when little timmy knocks in a double in the last five minutes of Australia's opening world cup game to give Australia an unlikely victory and invokes wild celebrations in the streets, uniting people of all ethnic backgrounds?

I don't think Timmy's mother is too concerned about violance that occurs in one out of ten thousands football matches. Remembering that's how many games are played around the world at all levels on any given day.

 

[Nandoz]

79,000 on a cold melbournes day said it all.

mate if the aussies were playing in the same place at the same time yesterday, same cool day, there would have been 99,000 in the stadium

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

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You fool it merely an example of how things escalate when things are left to their own devices. Would you leave a spot fire in a paddock in the hope it will burn out hell no. And these soccer riots despite the odd one in europe occur in south america and other parts of the world where law enforcement is questionable. And no it doesnt seem to harm the image of 'the beautiful game' because despite all these 'riots' it is still the worlds most popular sport without equal

Fool am I? You have a short memory, my friend. You are not aware of the wild soccer brawls that took place just eighteen months ago between Serbian-based and Croatian-based clubs... right here in Australia? The wild brawls which heralded the arrival of large quantities of police to break up what was about to become a full scale riot?

Surely you must know all about this. Because otherwise, you might come across as looking like a total fool!

Sometimes it is better to remain quiet and be thought as one, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt, champ. Might wanna let that one sink in for a week or two before commenting.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

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What happens when little Timmy hits the big time and earns AU$150000 a week in one of the world most glamourous and exciting leagues?

Over here? Not much.

Why? Because there's no way a kid with that sort of talent will be in the Australian system for very long.

 

[Diego]

79,000 on a cold melbournes day said it all.

80,000 people would attend the opening of a jam tin in Melbourne. Thats how boring it is in bleak city.

 

[Philosophunculist]

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Fool am I? You have a short memory, my friend. You are not aware of the wild soccer brawls that took place just eighteen months ago between Serbian-based and Croatian-based clubs... right here in Australia? The wild brawls which heralded the arrival of large quantities of police to break up what was about to become a full scale riot?

Surely you must know all about this. Because otherwise, you might come across as looking like a total fool!

Sometimes it is better to remain quiet and be thought as one, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt, champ. Might wanna let that one sink in for a week or two before commenting.

What about the brawls in the Rugby League at Bulldogs matches between Lebanese and non-Lebanese supporters? Do parents take their kids out of the game because of this? What about the brawls and melees you'll see in Amatuer footy matches around Australia on any given sunday. What does little Timmy's mum thing about this?

 

[Diego]

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Fool am I? You have a short memory, my friend. You are not aware of the wild soccer brawls that took place just eighteen months ago between Serbian-based and Croatian-based clubs... right here in Australia? The wild brawls which heralded the arrival of large quantities of police to break up what was about to become a full scale riot?

Surely you must know all about this. Because otherwise, you might come across as looking like a total fool!

Sometimes it is better to remain quiet and be thought as one, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt, champ. Might wanna let that one sink in for a week or two before commenting.

Oh rubbish, shut that ill informed mouth as its stinking out the whole thread with such bull****!

Like there was never any brawls at the footy or how about thinking that racism was enevr a part of AFL. The most vindictive and racist remarks that my poor ears have had the displeasure of hearing occured more times at the FOOTY than it has at any soccer match i have attended in Australia.

Diluded ****.

 

[Philosophunculist]

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Over here? Not much.

Why? Because there's no way a kid with that sort of talent will be in the Australian system for very long.

It's in Australia's best interest that it's best players play in the world's best leagues. It's why we are so competive on the international stage. The problem of Australia losing it's best players overseas is an issue for every single country except three. Most of Brazil's and France's best players don't even play in their countries of birth. Doesn't stop them from having exciting and well attended domestic leagues though.

What the A-League does is give Australia's best young players the opportunity to play professionally and develop here, rather than going into an overseas Academy at the age of 16. I don't think people will have a problem watching the next generation of Harry Kewell in stadia around Australia until they reach the age of 22-23.

 

[dart]

80,000 people would attend the opening of a jam tin in Melbourne. Thats how boring it is in bleak city.

WTF ? ? ? jam comes in TINS NOW ?!! GTFO !



in other news. all footy codes, with the exeception of rugby league, which is a mugs game, deserve prime position in our great sport loving nation.

it's a shame however that while we get top flight aussie rules via the AFL, top flight rugby via international matches & the super 14 series, we don't get top flight soccer in this country due to all the good players going off overseas. that's what will hold soccer back. having said that, it's great to see all this buzz about the world cup. it's nice to be able to go down to the local pub & find it jam packed & overflowing in good atmosphere. loving sport is one of the things that makes this country great. soccer's a sport. aussie rules is a sport. it's all good.

. . blah blah. . come on orstraya !!

 

[topdon]

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Over here? Not much.

Why? Because there's no way a kid with that sort of talent will be in the Australian system for very long.

Why should that matter anyway? Our best kids going overseas to hone their skills in some of the best leagues in the world, against some class teams and footballers, can only do good for the national side. The better the national side goes, the more kids want to get into it. Eventually it will create depth at international level and will eventually strengthen the national league.

 

[Horj]

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Fool am I? You have a short memory, my friend. You are not aware of the wild soccer brawls that took place just eighteen months ago between Serbian-based and Croatian-based clubs... right here in Australia? The wild brawls which heralded the arrival of large quantities of police to break up what was about to become a full scale riot?

Surely you must know all about this. Because otherwise, you might come across as looking like a total fool!

Sometimes it is better to remain quiet and be thought as one, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt, champ. Might wanna let that one sink in for a week or two before commenting.

I see, the serbians and the croatians in a riot?..... who would have thought, these riots were more than soccer riots Serbians and Croations have been at each others throats for ages. Does the Croatian War of Independence 1991-1995 mean anything to you. I would suggest that those riots were race related and were just waiting for a trigger. but im sure you know all about Serbian/Croation history it would be foolish to comment on something you arent schooled on . Thats like saying 'did you hear there was a fight between the jews and the Arabs after a game of cards, who would have thought.....they always seemed so peaceful.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

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I see, the serbians and the croatians in a riot?..... who would have thought, these riots were more than soccer riots Serbians and Croations have been at each others throats for ages. Does the Croatian War of Independence 1991-1995 mean anything to you. I would suggest that those riots were race related and were just waiting for a trigger. but im sure you know all about Serbian/Croation history it would be foolish to comment on something you arent schooled on . Thats like saying 'did you hear there was a fight between the jews and the Arabs after a game of cards, who would have thought.....they always seemed so peaceful.

So it should just be accepted then in the name of Multicultural Australia?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you your next minister for immigration, right here.

What about the brawls in the Rugby League at Bulldogs matches between Lebanese and non-Lebanese supporters? Do parents take their kids out of the game because of this? What about the brawls and melees you'll see in Amatuer footy matches around Australia on any given sunday. What does little Timmy's mum thing about this?

Checked the NRL attendances lately? They're paying for this in a big way

 

[Beckers]

80,000 people would attend the opening of a jam tin in Melbourne. Thats how boring it is in bleak city

I have said that for years!. There is a huge 'theatre goer' group in Melbourne who just cannot miss out on a major event! Examples are:
They don't like horse racing, but have to be at the Melbourne Cup.
Don't like football but have to be at the AFL Grand Final.
Don't like RL but have to be at the State of Origin.
Don't like motorsport but have to be at the F1 GP.

As long as the promoters build it up enough and include the buzz work, "PARTY", the theatre goers will turn up in their droves!!!
It is quite annoying for the regular punters!!!

 

[Horj]

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So it should just be accepted then in the name of Multicultural Australia?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you your next minister for immigration, right here.

No it should not be accepted in the name of multi culturalism but soccer was not the reason for the riots. It was decades of unrest between the Serbs and Croatians. So again you make an uninformed statement. And i appreciate that you believe my knowledge of international politics is worthy of the title of up and coming minister of immigration. Oh....and your sarcasm needs some work to I would thing that the title the Minister for International Affairs would be more applicable

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

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Oh....and your sarcasm needs some work to I would thing that the title the Minister for International Affairs would be more applicable

What you do with strange men from other countries is none of my business, but all credit to you for bringing it out into the open.

 

[Ragnarok14]

Re: AFL vs World Cup

Cleary you would do both. They will never clash. One is in Sept and the other in the middle of the year to suit the seasons in the Northern part of the world.

Soccer at World Cup level, with Australia playing, will creat a great atmosphere. But Soccer in this country will always be the 4th Code. There is simply too much money everywherre else.....and no where near enough money in the game in Australia.

i would be shocked if anyone in at AFL house would be concerned at all!!

But you see thats exactly the reason why the FFA moved us to the Asian confederation, 1 more $$$ and 2 you have some big competitions for the national team to play in as well as the local teams. Personally I can't wait to see Australia come up against japan (asian champions) in the Asian cup next year, along with korea, china and the rest. The international program for the socceroos is pretty full now.

But as you said the league here is never going to replace AFL as number (barring a major screw up of some sorts) but the quality is still pretty good, a-league teams are the measure of most of the 1st division teams in england and the quality of the player is pretty high too and coaching and front office staff, massive improvement from what it was 5 years ago, could challenge for the number 2 spot from league but more likely will cement it's place as australias summer football code, which is pretty good.

And for those partial fans who like soccer but have horror memories of the NSL and haven't been to an a-league match because of it I highly recommend trying it out, you'll be surprised!

 

[Ragnarok14]

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Fool am I? You have a short memory, my friend. You are not aware of the wild soccer brawls that took place just eighteen months ago between Serbian-based and Croatian-based clubs... right here in Australia? The wild brawls which heralded the arrival of large quantities of police to break up what was about to become a full scale riot?

Surely you must know all about this. Because otherwise, you might come across as looking like a total fool!

Sometimes it is better to remain quiet and be thought as one, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt, champ. Might wanna let that one sink in for a week or two before commenting.

How many people got arrested? none

How many people got injured? none

What got damaged? a few windows

Media coverage? national scandal

What else happened the same weekend? 22 people arrested, 8 injured in a fight between st george and eels fans at a train station

Media coverage of that? none

What was the FFAs response to all this crap? kicked the ethnic based teams out, and created a family friendly environment at the national competition games.

 

[harmesy 37]

If you want to talk about croatia/serbia... isn't it curious that six or seven players in the socceroos are from croatia.

And the croatian team have at least 2 or 3 australian born croatians in their team. they love their soccer the croatians.

i can't think of any croatians that play australian football though?


would like to know if there are any?

kekovich... that is a croatian name isn't it?

but other than than.. can't think of any.

plenty of greeks, italians etc have taken up the australian code.. but few croatians. but happy to be proven wrong... if someone has stats. on this.