Confidence in Ratten

[Juddbemetron]

Simple Question
Do you have confidence in Ratten to take us to a flag in the next 2 or 3 years
Yes or No?

Well, i guess it's not that simple becuase i am really not sure
he has to change something though
i dont know if it is the culture, or his tactics, or making a gameplan that doesnt revolve around Fevola

P.S. i realise, of course, he was not fully responsible for the thumping, and this poll is not just in relation to this match

In saying this i fell he has been majorly out-couched too many times this year, (especially against crows and swans) and he is probably learning on the job too much.

Also at stage, if any should his coaching come under scrutiny

I Believe with the lis he has, if we dont mae finals this year, he should be under immense pressure.

TO think him and knights started the same time, considering their lists, ratten has not preformed very well in comparison

 

[Athomas]

I was the first to vote yes!?

Went from 16th to 11th last year.
Will still probably make finals this year.

 

[ashc36]

We need a coach that is very good tactic wise and is will instill discipline within the group. That man is now available. Dean Laidley.

Ratten is a great guy but cant coach, no eddie in the centre square, playing our best clearance player in the forward line just many of the shocking decisions he made last night. Every second week he makes clangers that cost us big time. Outcoached nearly every week and i'm sick of it. Lets get dean, buckley is a great presenter but very bad tactic wise a player, laidley is proven, buckley is not. The decision should be easy however sticks and his mates i'm afraid wont make the hard but right decisions, this has been proven all to often.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Its interesting, because when he was a midfield specialist coach at Melbourne I really, really rated him because he was obviously a great motivator and got our players in the middle tackling hard, going in for the hard ball etc. so I was keen to see how he'd go as a senior coach cause I was certain he had the motivation/leadership side in spades.

Watching him with Carlton, I'm not sold on his ability as a tactician. Your team has improved, but you were the worst team in the comp for a long time so improvement was going to come regardless.

How much does he have to do with recruiting? Because your backline is still a real weakness and the forwardline is still pretty one dimensional.

Hard to say he's been either good or bad as a coach, because your team is structured in a really strange way. You have one of the top 3 midfielders, and one of the top 3 forwards. You have a stack of great young prospects, but you also have some massive, massive holes in your team.

The real question is, realistically, where would Carlton fans expect to be this year? Considering you haven't finished in the top 10 in 7 years or so, I don't think you can put the blame on Ratten if you don't finish top four. Because playing finals would still be considered a pretty significant improvement (never underestimate recent 'culture' in teams, getting out of the bottom 8 and into the top 8 after so long will do wonders for your confidence imo).

All up, I don't think he's going to be a great coach, but I don't think its easy to really judge at the moment because your team is making the transition from cellar dwellars to potential top four contenders. But I respect the man either way.

 

[jonoman89]

Simpson is on Before The Game right now. He said Ratts didn't give a spray at all post-match, and just went through the stats.

Fair dinkum Ratts, show some ****ing emotion every once in a while. You say the same crap every press conference. Last night's performance was nothing short of terrible - the players need to be told on no uncertain terms that it is unnacceptable.

I wish he'd grow a pair like Knights did by dropping senior players who don't perform and giving an old fashioned SPRAY when it's deserved.

 

[da_champ]

Simpson is on Before The Game right now. He said Ratts didn't give a spray at all post-match, and just went through the stats.

Fair dinkum Ratts, show some ****ing emotion every once in a while. You say the same crap every press conference. Last night's performance was nothing short of terrible - the players need to be told on no uncertain terms that it is unnacceptable.

I wish he'd grow a pair like Knights did by dropping senior players who don't perform and giving an old fashioned SPRAY when it's deserved.

I noticed that as well. I only do I think he can't coach, but he is also too scared to front up to the playing group. I would kill to have Laidley, Choco or Malthouse at the Blues next year. We desperately need somebody to take charge and steer our list back on coarse. And not take any crap in the meantime.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I tell you who would be perfect for Carlton right now? Neale Daniher.

Great tactics guy when he has a decent list to work with. Not great at recruiting or development though.

 

[The Coach]

We need a coach that is very good tactic wise and is will instill discipline within the group. That man is now available. Dean Laidley.

Ratten is a great guy but cant coach, no eddie in the centre square, playing our best clearance player in the forward line just many of the shocking decisions he made last night. Every second week he makes clangers that cost us big time. Outcoached nearly every week and i'm sick of it. Lets get dean, buckley is a great presenter but very bad tactic wise a player, laidley is proven, buckley is not. The decision should be easy however sticks and his mates i'm afraid wont make the hard but right decisions, this has been proven all to often.

Dean Laidley - worst speaker of any coach I have heard for a team with no natural orators - No Thanks

 

[AVCO]

Neil Daniher ?...thats the funniest thing ive heard i guess i needed a laugh since i havent had much to smile about ...he would have to be one of the worst coaches to coach the game along with tony shaw and gary ayres

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Neil Daniher ?...thats the funniest thing ive heard i guess i needed a laugh since i havent had much to smile about ...he would have to be one of the worst coaches to coach the game along with tony shaw and gary ayres

You're kidding right?

 

[da_champ]

Dean Laidley - worst speaker of any coach I have heard for a team with no natural orators - No Thanks

Then perhaps Ratten could try and take a page from his book. Instead of focusing on midweek interviews and developing a fresh list of "excuses" and "positives" to spew out at post match press conferences, his time would be much better spent working on our game plan, tactics and erraticating our culture problem.

 

[Blue_Ninja]

Then perhaps Ratten could try and take a page from his book. Instead of focusing on midweek interviews and developing a fresh list of "excuses" and "positives" to spew out at post match press conferences, his time would be much better spent working on our game plan, tactics and erraticating our culture problem.

Silly, silly comment.......

 

[Jock]

Put in to calm things down as one of our own but not the best candidate.

So things have calmed down and now we have to stick with him.

We won't be in a position to push for a flag until 2011 anyway. So as long as he learns from this year and gets better again next year his coaching will then will be in line with our ambitions and our ability for a full tilt in 2011.

I'd say his inexperience has cost us 3 games so far.
I'm frustrated but ok with it due to the above.

 

[The Coach]

Then perhaps Ratten could try and take a page from his book. Instead of focusing on midweek interviews and developing a fresh list of "excuses" and "positives" to spew out at post match press conferences, his time would be much better spent working on our game plan, tactics and erraticating our culture problem.

I take that point but I am meaning speaking to the players - motivating etc

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Strewth,
young group, young coach.

Ok, last night was a shambles.

A couple of key ins in the next couple of weeks.

Still reckon we can make the eight.
Happy enough

 

[da_champ]

I take that point but I am meaning speaking to the players - motivating etc

I know what you mean, but I think there is overall too much of a Carlton presence at our club. Ratten, Bradley, Lappin, Teague and Sticks. Sure it sounds great, but I think they are all mates rather than work colleagues. They're not being honest with each other and it's starting to cost us dearly. I reckon we need someone fresh, an outsider to come in put put there own stamp on the club, instead of trying to relive the past.

And as far as a motivating factor goes, I thought they were dedicating the Season 09 to Dick Pratt. If that doesn't get them up then i don't know what will.

 

[Monkey King]

I reckon we need someone fresh, an outsider to come in put put there own stamp on the club, instead of trying to relive the past.

I agree with this part. It's great to have guys who love the club around, but I wonder if there is too much this is a proud club talk. At this stage in the teams development we should leave all the records and history - both recent and distant - out of it and just play to win simply because winning is reason enough.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I think you guys are on the money.

There was a time a couple of years ago, when Carlton were in financial trouble, horrible on the field and off it and without any real leadership. you were under fire.

At that time, you guys made the right decisions by bringing in all the Carlton people. It showed the club was unified and committed to getting better. It showed that Carlton spirit that had been missing for a long time.

And now you're in a much stronger position for it, and you have your identity back. But to take that next step, you might need to cut a few of the loyalists in order to get the best people

 

[blue gunslinger]

the individual players are letiing us down more at the minute

 

[Monkey King]

And now you're in a much stronger position for it, and you have your identity back. But to take that next step, you might need to cut a few of the loyalists in order to get the best people

I agree we have to take the next step and make choices to appoint the best people - that was Pratt's credo after all - however I don't think that necessarily precludes Ratten from being our man.

Ratts has some weaknesses, but he's only a 2nd year coach who has made significant ground with this team in his time. If we get a good tactitan on board, like Laidley, it could be just what the coaching team needs and be better than any other option available.

Whatever happens, I just want these boys to make their own history and forget about redeeming the past or upholding proud traditions.

 

[Team Mo']

I think he could with the talent we have (or I think we have) but really it will largely depend on how the players react each game.

Ratts seems to have no control over the likes of Fevola and Stevens and doesn't bring the lesser likes into line quickly enough. It's really hard to comment when you've never seen directly what he does or says during the game but from his moves on the field or actually his LACK of moves you'd think we'd struggle to reach the top within two years.

Hopefully Ratten like some of our players can pull their fingers out and open up to the game situations faster and not just play the same old record each week.

I think we need an outside influence whose opinion will be respected. Someone like Leigh Matthews as head of the football department would be great as he knows football and won't just talk spin to the board and players...

 

[celtic_pride]

Heaven help the playing group if they were forced to play under a coach/manager like Sir Alex Ferguson or Ron Barrassi (when he was at his fired up best in the 70's)

Half the players would probably wet their freakin shorts and go back home crying to Mummy and Daddy ..

For all of Den Den's faults and perceived negativity etc, he had nothing in terms of temper and intimidating players like Fergie and Barrass in their prime ...

But you know what, bad-tempered, almost psycho-like coaches like those two, have got the silverwear and the results to back it up ..

Ratten's softness and inability to give the players a spary or

Heck I'd even have Robert Walls as coach right now ahead of Ratts (I'm serious)
Wallsy is a bloke from the old school, and wouldn't stand for any of the downhill skiing that is prevelant at this club right now.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

What do you guys see as his biggest issue? Is it preparation (i.e. the gameplan), motivation (how he deals with the players) or match day coaching (the ability to make changes on the fly, when the game is on the line)?

A lot of coaches struggle with the last one.

 

[Team Mo']

Gameplan is pretty shit. I couldn't give you a clear description of it like I could do to probably 10 other clubs.

Doesn't seem to be one to get the boys up for a big occasion. Probably not his weakness but could work a lot better with dealing criticism. Players should be given one stern word and that should be the end of it.

Gameday is quite hilarious. Even when we are winning we still seem to be playing below what we could be. Sure simple errors have cost us dearly throughout the year but seeing a player like McVeigh dominate or a Lloyd take contested marks makes you wonder if he sees what is going on. When a player seems to be doing well (Setanta last night) he will change it for some unknown reason.

I really hope he'll pick up his game and if not that we look into at least talking around...

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Ratten's softness and inability to give the players a spary or

Heck I'd even have Robert Walls as coach right now ahead of Ratts (I'm serious)
Wallsy is a bloke from the old school, and wouldn't stand for any of the downhill skiing that is prevelant at this club right now.

After they drug test me (fail) i wanna drug test you.

Robert Walls????

He was a mercenary coach,
who threw it all in at Brisbane,
'cos he would miss out on his Super payout as a teacher.
He dealt with little people all his life and is a pain in the arse..

He coached Carlton to a flag in '87, which is regarded as a gift.

A genuine stone gift.