List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Elite Pete]

Band 2 or 3… Wow.

Wow, you’d hope there is an agreement that we get 6 and 10 in a split for 3 if that’s what we want to do.

Rd2 pick will now be 31…

 

[Art OF war]

WCE are so into Warner for next year. It's why we will fight tooth and nail to get Hawks first round for next year.

Money not an issue for Graham. I'd say his contract will be heavily front loaded with Darlings and Barrass money coming out of the cap of which WC would have budgeted for. Next year a lot of front ending contracts will occur so WC can pay Harley and Chad.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

Band 2 is 21 and band 3 is 25. What concessions should we expect from Richmond on the Baker trade by moving the pick up 4 places?

 

[Mattman93]

Honestly does anyone want Baker?

As a cheap acquisition sure, but it's such a funny situation in which we're the ones pursuing him yet it just feels like a problem to be accommodated. In every hypothetical situation, making Baker work is the sticking point. I'd be perfectly enthusiastic about getting 14 and something else for Barrass and going to the draft with 3 and 14, or splitting 3 and taking three early picks. But no, we also also have get all twisted up working out how to give up some of that to get Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

in.

 

[noobermensch]

While working through performances from this years Futures game, it was pointed out to me that I hadn't done any of the 2023 Futures game featuring the 2024 draft crop.

Finn turned in an excellent performance in this game back in 2023, making draft watchers all the more excited about what we might see from him in 2024. He showed his elite evasive skills, athletic traits and sticky hands, as well as his penetrating disposal by foot.

 

[Chris_6678]

AFL Trade Radio

@traderadio
·
2m

"Some clubs wanting to slide will target St Kilda's picks and some clubs wanting to come up in the order will target St Kilda. I think picks 7 & 8 is a great position in this Draft."
@CalTwomey

Would we be happy to part with 3 for those 2 picks?

 

[EagleEgo]

I have said before that the top 10 picks in the draft should be sacred every year. The AFL like you said have made a mockery of it. They should have no say in FA compo.

I have a different idea. AFL should determine the compensation but AFL should contribute only 30- 50% of it and the other 50-70% should be paid by the receiving club (with the flag winning club paying 70% decreased to the wooden spooner 50%). In short, FA should not be free but should be subsidised.

 

[Bender_]

Honestly does anyone want Baker?

As a cheap acquisition sure, but it's such a funny situation in which we're the ones pursuing him yet it just feels like a problem to be accommodated. In every hypothetical situation, making Baker work is the sticking point. I'd be perfectly enthusiastic about getting 14 and something else for Barrass and going to the draft with 3 and 14, or splitting 3 and taking three early picks. But no, we also also have get all twisted up working out how to give up some of that to get Liam Baker in.

There's no doubt he immediately improves our team, the problem has always been the price at a time when we all want to draft deep.

It's a bit annoying that he said a farewell at his B&F and it's now a formality that he joins us, like now if we don't somehow make it work then we'll look like the bad guys in this situation - and coz we're automatically handicapped in attracting players to WA due to the distance and the fact that we stink right now our recruitment will want to make it work and it feels like they may do it at a detriment to our overall recruitment for the year.

It's far less than an ideal situation IMO. I hope they can work out a way to make it work that doesn't push us backwards in the draft too much.

 

[amazingjoshy]

AFL Trade Radio
@traderadio
·
2m

"Some clubs wanting to slide will target St Kilda's picks and some clubs wanting to come up in the order will target St Kilda. I think picks 7 & 8 is a great position in this Draft."
@CalTwomey

Would we be happy to part with 3 for those 2 picks?

If it's just 3 for those 2 absolutely

If it's 3 and 14 I wouldn't be keen

 

[Elite Pete]

AFL Trade Radio
@traderadio
·
2m

"Some clubs wanting to slide will target St Kilda's picks and some clubs wanting to come up in the order will target St Kilda. I think picks 7 & 8 is a great position in this Draft."
@CalTwomey

Would we be happy to part with 3 for those 2 picks?

Cal also loosely tied us to Bo Allen.

With his Essendon hat on, said he would offer pick 9 and future first for pick 3 in hope they get in front of the Kako bid.

I know it was very loose link but imagine how bad it would be walking away from this trade period with
Bo Allen (pick 11)
Baker
Graham
Pick 31……

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Dev is a defensive mid, thats where he would end up if given opportunity

Tackling mid who wins the ball. Graham isnt much of a ball winner is all

 

[jatz14]

There is no such role. Unless you mean a “tagger”.

Every inside mid that’s not up to it is described as such.

Yeah, a defensive mid is a mid that needs his opponent to lead him to the ball.

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[Wooshaaaa]

Honestly does anyone want Baker?

As a cheap acquisition sure, but it's such a funny situation in which we're the ones pursuing him yet it just feels like a problem to be accommodated. In every hypothetical situation, making Baker work is the sticking point. I'd be perfectly enthusiastic about getting 14 and something else for Barrass and going to the draft with 3 and 14, or splitting 3 and taking three early picks. But no, we also also have get all twisted up working out how to give up some of that to get Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

in.

Get over it. It's happening.

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Wooshaaaa]

AFL Trade Radio

@traderadio
·
2m

"Some clubs wanting to slide will target St Kilda's picks and some clubs wanting to come up in the order will target St Kilda. I think picks 7 & 8 is a great position in this Draft."
@CalTwomey

Would we be happy to part with 3 for those 2 picks?

We are not getting 7 8 for 3.

3 23 for 7 8 maybe

3 14 for 7 8 more likely.



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[Keys]

Band 2 or 3… Wow.

Just more evidence that the FA compensation system is irrecoverably broken

Band 3 was a stretch, band 2 is silly

 

[Chris_6678]

Also Cal mentioned Dev wouldn't net the Lions much points for the pick he would get traded for. I took that as he could be traded out for cheap ?

 

[Mattman93]

Get over it. It's happening.

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

Evidently but I'm not gonna stop complaining about it.

 

[stallon]

Tackling mid who wins the ball. Graham isnt much of a ball winner is all

Dunkley is a defensive mid but he racks up the ball.
Ball winning ability isn't the determining factor

 

[eaglevision]

Cal not expecting a bid on Champion before 35-40

 

[WCEConnor23]

If we slid back from 3 to 6 for Baker it would probably leave us with a choice of Langford, Travaglia or Smillie, assuming Adelaide take Draper.

I'd be happy with either Langford or Travaglia at 6.

I think Langford could be the perfect foil for Harley as an inside midfielder, he projects like a Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

type and his kicking is seriously damaging.

Travaglia has all the attributes we're sorely lacking and would be a good choice.

Alternatively

If Adelaide took Langford which they well could, i'd be very happy with Draper as well.

 

[ronpingwins]

Richmond	Finn O'Sullivan
North Melbourne	??
Richmond	Sam Lalor
Adelaide	Sid Draper
Melbourne	??
West Coast

Sliding to 6 probably looks like this? With the below in the mix. Should be Jagga or Langford available, if not TT. But that's still a pretty significant drop, let alone dropping to 7 or 8

Jagga Smith

Harvey Langford

Josh Smillie

Tobie Travaglia

Xavier Lindsay

Harry Armstrong

Alix Tauru

Bo Allan

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Giant issue with the lets split pick 3 is North want to split pick 2 and will be ahead of us. They have more room for flexibility then we do also.

Not sure why we are even pretending its a option

 

[eaglevision]

Richmond	Finn O'Sullivan
North Melbourne	??
Richmond	Sam Lalor
Adelaide	Sid Draper
Melbourne	??
West Coast

Sliding to 6 probably looks like this? With the below in the mix. Should be Jagga or Langford available, if not TT. But that's still a pretty significant drop, let alone dropping to 7 or 8

Jagga Smith

Harvey Langford

Josh Smillie

Tobie Travaglia

Xavier Lindsay

Harry Armstrong

Alix Tauru

Bo Allan

If Jagga slides to 7 and we can get him and Tobie at 8 I’ll go do cartwheels down St George’s Terrace.

Doubt the Saints give up those picks and doubt Jagga slides that far but I hope you’re right.

 

[amazingjoshy]

"Pick 6 is a good starting point for Dan Rioli"

What alternative universe is this?

 

[KERRPOW]

Band 2 or 3… Wow.

Definetly wouldnt see the tiggas complain about that pick.

Baker + pick 14 with that band 2 or band 3 compo pick coming back would be easier to stomach.