List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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Just listenned to the Pyke interview with Duffield, my summary

He admitted several times, albeit in couched language, that they have have made a conscious decision to import middle aged players because of the dearth on the list in the 23 - 27 years old category. He didn't admit that they don't think their under 23 cohort is not very good but that goes without saying. They would not be importing over priced filler if they rated their young players.

In his answers he spoke multiple times about stabilising the list and the results in the present, and by that i think he means making sure we can win 5 games a year. He didn't speak once about the 3 - 5 year plus time horizon or building a list that can make the 8 again. Right there he is admitting to you what the clubs focus and and priority is and why they are doing what they have done.

He admitted McQualter and Clarke were lobbying for the Baker trade

Duffield did a really s*** job of interviewing him. You don't have to badger, insult or attack the interviewee but the least you can do is fairly and accurately summarise the counter argument or criticism of the deal and put that to Pyke. He failed to do that. His summary of the counter argument was "some people think you shouldn't have traded out pick 3".

Pyke seemed to laugh multiple times and sound dismissive when Duffield mentioned to him that reaction to the trade from the fanbase was negative. He sounded every bit as arrogant as Nisbett at his worst. I didn't like that at all.

Pyke was asked multiple times about a trade for Barrass and instead of putting on his poker face and saying a deal may not be done if we can't get value he sounded 100% committed to trading Barrass out to Hawthorn, almost begging Hawthorn to offer him something. Terrible negotiating and messaging. Hawthorn know we will take anything they offer from here.
 
It won’t happen, so this is just copium, but I’ve always thought that two firsts for Barrass and a second would be the deal. With Hawks moving and shuffling, that’s F1+F1 for Barrass and F2.

Would leave our trades at:

In: 12, F1, F1, 73, Baker, Owies
Out: 3, F2, 63, Barrass, Darling

Hardly a home run, but certainly a very defensible trade period where you can see the strategy. It’s salvageable if they get a good return for Barrass (lol). Can pair it up as the below.

Out: 3
In: 12 F1

Out: Barrass F2
In: Baker F1

Out: Darling, 63
In: Owies, 73

Salvageable. Fantasy land, but salvageable.
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
This is true, in that Pick 15 getting pushed backed to 16 when an Ashcroft bid comes in doesn’t really matter, as Ashcroft was never available in the first place.

However, when I think about a compromised draft, it’s because in a given year there’s only ever likely to be x number of elite kids, x number of good kids, and so on. When half of them are club tied, it does make it quite hard to pick the eyes out of.

If there’s 10 elite kids in a draft in which we have two top 10 picks, we should be laughing, but if half of them are tied to clubs already it makes it that much harder to nail.
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You make good points Badger, it should be viewed as two seperate list.
This years the number of northern academy kids isn’t to bad.
It’s compounded because last year was an outlier with GC having access to four really good kids.
For the record I think it’s actually a wonderful situation that we are seeing greater number of high quality kids in these developing areas, long term it has to be great for the advancement of the game.
However where it does become a problem is when you get multiple kids from these academies at the pointy end of the draft and Clubs can trade in multiple rubbish picks to surrender points out to match the bids.
Secondly the discounts should be abandoned the benefit is having the ability to match the bid , the points discount is a fiddle and assists the notion of the draft being compromised.

Next years crop of Academy kids is impressive and at this early stage I can see five of them being in the top 12 picks.

The AFL need to tinker further with the indicative points scale and wind it in even further and increase first round pick values.

Bender is right also that the compensation picks is the bigger blight on the system.
IMO there should be no compensation picks given out, the Club that the player leaves get the benefit of a list spot and the cap space they save by the player moving on.

The drafts as they currently are structured are compromised but it doesn’t need to be as badly compromised as they are.
 
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1sttermfadeout said:
And we havent really picked up any defenders. With TB, Jones and likely Rotham out and (IMO now unlikely) Witherden as well this leaves the already thin defensive stocks near critical. Maybe Baker can play a back flank, but that's just duplicating Duggan.
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That is even more important insane 😳
Your idea is to shoehorn a player we paid top dollar, blue chip money for into a random position just because we’re thin.
 
The hope is we have a scratch my back deal with the Tigers if we get Hawks F1 and F2 they trade us pick 11 if they get it for Bolton or at least back for the Baker 14 pick. We held up our end of the ‘commitment’
 
Cursedsword02 said:


Hate the deal all you want, but sh*t like this is not on and if you support something like this, you can f*ck off for all I care.
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Looks like GoEagles has an alias or there is a new cult of jilted and emotionally unstable Eagles fans.

Seriously enbarrassing day all round for the club, club officials and also hopefully a small group of fools who call themselves Eagles fans.

People it's just football ............and a 9 spot slide in the 1st round.

It really shouldn't and doesn't matter.
 
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Sorry to intrude. I’m not here to discuss the value of the potential Barrass deal but why did your club not take Haw F1 & F2 for Barrass before doing the Baker deal. You could have on traded our F1 for Baker. Kept pick 3 and picked Owies as a delisted free agent. Is this too simplistic or am I missing something?
 
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Eastcoasteagle said:
A lot I can't understand in that deal, but one minor was WTF did we trade our picks in the 60s as part of it and get one in the 70s back. Makes no sense for us, only Carlton.

Richmond had 51 and 61, surely both those come to us. 14 was way overs, as a bare minimum 51 and 61 should've come our way.

Just shows how poor that deal was all the way through.
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Like I mentioned elsewhere the parts were:

3 for 12 & 14 - overpaid
14 for Baker - overpaid
63 & 68 for Owies and 73 - unnecessary part
 

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Goatie said:
Sorry to intrude. I’m not here to discuss the value of the potential Barrass deal but why did your club not take Haw F1 & F2 for Barrass before doing the Baker deal. You could have on traded our F1 for Baker. Kept pick 3 and picked Owies as delisted free agent. Is this too simplistic or am I missing something?
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You’ve mistakenly assumed our boys are shrewd operators.

Shortest answer is they clearly got blinded by loyalty to Baker and wanted the deal done more than they wanted to extract every ounce. Does appear they’re more willing to hold firm on the Barrass deal (for now) than the Baker one, a player the new coach and list manager know well.
 
Goatie said:
Sorry to intrude. I’m not here to discuss the value of the potential Barrass deal but why did your club not take Haw F1 & F2 for Barrass before doing the Baker deal. You could have on traded our F1 for Baker. Kept pick 3 and picked Owies as delisted free agent. Is this too simplistic or am I missing something?
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****wits. We have ****wits at the club.
 
Goatie said:
Sorry to intrude. I’m not here to discuss the value of the potential Barrass deal but why did your club not take Haw F1 & F2 for Barrass before doing the Baker deal. You could have on traded our F1 for Baker. Kept pick 3 and picked Owies as delisted free agent. Is this too simplistic or am I missing something?
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There's no logical answer to that

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Well done WCE management. We finally made a worse deal than Gold Coast for Mav Weller.

Hey Liam we want you here but can only offer a 2nd and maybe a future 2nd. But the good news is because we don't sell the farm....you will be surrounded by another young midfielder at Pick 3.
 
Bender_ said:
I understand people referring to drafts as "compromised", however I don't think it's the correct way to address academy and F/S picks. It should only be used to describe priority picks, compensation picks and expansion clubs initial list builds.

Clubs should be viewing opposition academy prospects and F/S as unobtainable anyway and planning for the players not linked to academies. So for example saying pick 3 is really pick 4 coz of Ashcroft - well he's off the table anyway, so it's really still the same group of players available.

Sure still scout the whole cohort whether they're linked to clubs or not in case their bids cannot be matched, but otherwise plan around them and don't view the push back a draft spot as compromising when you have access to the same player available anyway.

People may disagree with me but you can go blow yourself.
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So if we had pick 1.

And the first four players taken were all academy kids or father sons going to teams playing finals.

And we use our pick 1 getting the 5th choice. The draft isnt compromised?

Be back in 10....... ;) ;)
 
Goatie said:
Sorry to intrude. I’m not here to discuss the value of the potential Barrass deal but why did your club not take Haw F1 & F2 for Barrass before doing the Baker deal. You could have on traded our F1 for Baker. Kept pick 3 and picked Owies as delisted free agent. Is this too simplistic or am I missing something?
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I am guessing because like the rest of the AFL clubs they were trying to take advantage of the Eagles by paying decent unders for a contracted KPP.

But I could be wrong.
 
Wooshaaaa said:
Wow.

Which means

1.we didn't rate jagga or he didn't want to come
2 So that's tigers taking FOS with pick one
3 Lalor hammy injury not worth the risk
4. Draper doesn't want to come or his back injury is a risk
5 north must be selling off pick 2 and/either FOS jaggar will go there.
6.we think we can get Smillie, Langford, Lindsay, TT, berry.





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One if TT, Berry or Smillie for me in that order
 
I thought things would have changed with Pyke in command nothing has changed, what a huge failure at the trading table. We have a huge hole on the age bracket 23-27, so this is there excuse for wasting pick 3 & 14 on baker & owies. Doesn't really maters what happens now lost all faith in the club.
 
The absolute worst part about this whole debacle for me is that for a good 5 years the supporters could see what needs/needed to be done regarding our list yet the club have been completely blind for some mind blowing reason.

From not trading players at their peak to giving aging players contracts they didn’t deserve, to the credits crew that we all knew was not going to fix anything, to not hitting the draft and getting youth in for the rebuild that was clearly needed as we were about to fall off the cliff. The list goes on

The supporters knew all of this and were calling out for it years ago!!

That has to be the most brutal part of it all for me and has made me completely resent the club and verging on the point of hatred for a club I have loved since I was a kid.

Today was just icing on the shit sandwich cake
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
Signed up two months ago, posted six times, each specifically about how Allen is terrible or should be traded.

Change the record mate.
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Your probably one of those supporters who didn't want to trade Gaff or Darling at the end of 2018 and for the last 2 years have been screaming " I wish we traded Gaff and Darling for those 1st rounders when we had the chance"
I'm not saying Allen is bad, but eagles would be in a better position in 5 yrs if they trade him for multiple picks
 
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