List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[CoastersFlag No.5]

I don't mind him as a free agent, I just don't want to trade any of our picks for him, would seriously piss me off

Absolutely we have a few rucks in the pipeline and Mr English is for a later date.

 

[Royalbeagle]

Wonder what sheed would get us in a trade?

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He’ll always be off limits.

 

[stylish]

Started to wonder just how many we could realistically offload at the end of the year. Once you start looking at names, the answer becomes - not as many as we'd like. If you fast forward to the end of the 2025 season, just how many (exclude NGAs) do we need to get off our list in the next 3 off seasons.

I don't think too many would argue with these 14...

Gaff (33), Naitanui (35), Cripps (33), McGovern (33), Rotham (27), West (26), Clark (28), Shuey (35), Trew (23), Darling (33), Foley (26), O'Neil (25), Hurn (38), Winder (23)

Plus massive question marks over another 8...

Petrevski-seton (27), L Edwards (23), Petruccelle (26), Witherden (27), Cole (28), Jamieson (25), H Edwards (25), Waterman (27)

Add another 4 probably barley hanging on, if not finished as well.

Kelly (31), Sheed (30), Hunt (30), Yeo (32)

Its not unrealistic to suggest we need to get rid of almost 8 blokes per year over the next 3 seasons. Whether that's even doable from a list build perspective I don't know. You're not bringing in 24 guys in 3 national drafts. Some savvy low profile free agents to fill our mid 20s age gap may help, otherwise its all looking like a long dark road.

The last 3 years have seen 25 players leave WC so it's certainly doable. Apart from a few trade ins, most have been replaced by draftees.

 

[AnyDanger]

The last 3 years have seen 25 players leave WC so it's certainly doable. Apart from a few trade ins, most have been replaced by draftees.

I have it at 19 selections across rookie, national and mid season drafts across 2020, 2021 & 2022. However 3 of those were shuffling between rookie/main list, so really 16 guys brought in. Id say 20ish will be the number over the next 3 years of drafts.

 

[Monocle]

Sanders looks like a second rounder to me.

Be interested to see how he tests athletically. Also looks stupid with his socks up.

Ok I will bite.

So without naming the F&S Croft and the Academy bids /matched Walter, Read, Rogers.

Obviously H Reid, is top of the list.

I would be interested to hear which other 17 players you have in front of Sanders to close out the first round?

 

[CountryLad]

Being completely honest here, it's the best i've seen him kick in a game.

Personally been pretty bullish on him all year, spent a bit of time watching him, he’s one of those players where people want to find faults in him rather than look at what he can actually do. What he is good at is actually very good.

 

[Tugga27]

Darling's what 31?Would he have any currency at teams like Melbourne or Collingwood who are each short of a KPF?
I accept he may be too old, that his last 12 or so months haven't been flash & that the difference between his best & worst is substantial, but his best is very good & may be that missing piece for both those teams.

Yep
He'd have currency.

But he's contracted, a local boy and apparently doesn't want to go so it's a moot point.

 

[maverick001]

🏖🏝 The fact that most people assume its a possibility to get is definitely a vibe.

Id still prefer 1 top tier player over 2 good players.
What will tend to happen is 14 busts and we are left looking stupid.
Eg. Hewett plays 50 games over 5 years and then gets delisted while Sheezel>Ginbey.

Yes this is my exact thinking. Not that necessarily Hewett busts, but the balance of probabilities say when you do a deal like this one of 9 and 14 is going to not impact a lot and therefore you left with one good player rather than one star player

 

[maverick001]

Agree.

But I want us to at least ask the question.

It's like the pretty girl at the dance ..... if you don't ask you never give yourself a chance and are guaranteed denial.

I would hope that the Club would be ballsy and not be defeatist .... make the request and if the AFL say NO, challenge why, as they have already set a precedent with North Melbourne ...... buck up and expose the VICCENTRIC nature of the AFL.

The Club that I followed in the early years of our history, had a big set of balls and dared to call the VFL on its s**t, we have become far too much of an AFL "suck hole" in the last decade and have taken the numerous inequitable deals that they shove our way.

Like for instance (one of many by the way ) I would like to hear the rational from AFL house, as to why Brisbane has NEVER played West Coast at Optus Stadium.......yet every year the team that travels the most (yes us ) has to endure the longest road trip to Brisbane every ******* year.

We were once a Club that was never fight shy of a confrontation.

The Dance?

What is this like 1960?

JJ

 

[maverick001]

Find that impossible to believe. Simmo said in a press conference WC weren't in a position to chase free agents. So why would they chase Naughton who isnt one

The fact that we aren't in a position to chase free agents speaks to our horrible list management over the last few years. We literally have three good players near their prime, one of which is Allen who signed his last contract prior to prime, so essentially just a list made up of old injury prone players on a steep downward trajectory, sub-standard players aged 23-28 and unproven youngsters. Over a two-year period I'd hazard a guess and say we're one of, if not THE, worst teams in history, but apparently paying close to full salary cap.

Go figure.

 

[THE A5]

Goss reckons we are into Mr English big time.

This is why I hate the media. These Idiots like Haselby, Goss and etc will suggest this but in 18 months lay into us for trading him in instead of waiting till he's a free agent. Young Bailey might not project to be a multiple AA winning ruckmen but he is now scope to be a very decent player and feel the void for a ruck need. Now we just need to fill every other void such as small fwds, KPP's, Mids and Small defenders

 

[Mattman93]

Ok I will bite.

So without naming the F&S Croft and the Academy bids /matched Walter, Read, Rogers.

Obviously H Reid, is top of the list.

I would be interested to hear which other 17 players you have in front of Sanders to close out the first round?

I'll pike -- I don't have a good enough knowledge of the draft pool at large to be able to back up my judgement with that specificity. But more generally, the thrust of my comment was that he looks to me of paradigmatic 'second round quality'. Or even more generally, that the nascent hype around him feels a little over the top based on my viewing, and that he doesn't look to me like a player we should be clambering to acquire.

To qualify even more, this is based on watching 2 or 3 games, so it's a prima facie intuition call; as I said, keen to see how he tests athletically (and indeed performs over the remainder of the championships). But I'm seeing a fairly meat and potatoes type who lacks the requisite standout attributes to push that top end. My guess is he'll end up being rated by clubs similarly to how someone like Matt Crouch was.

 

[amazingjoshy]

🏖🏝 The fact that most people assume its a possibility to get is definitely a vibe.

Id still prefer 1 top tier player over 2 good players.
What will tend to happen is 14 busts and we are left looking stupid.
Eg. Hewett plays 50 games over 5 years and then gets delisted while Sheezel>Ginbey.

Wardlaw would've been better in your example. Much better player than Sheezel from what I've seen.

Still don't get why people aren't happy with Ginbey, shown plenty.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Goss reckons we are into Mr English big time.

If Gossage says something it's almost certain to not happen going by his usual strike rate so put a line through English

 

[Bacchus]

Yes this is my exact thinking. Not that necessarily Hewett busts, but the balance of probabilities say when you do a deal like this one of 9 and 14 is going to not impact a lot and therefore you left with one good player rather than one star player

Stats don’t mean anything in deciding particular events.

In this case it looks to me that the signs are there we will have two good to very good players.

 

[Obeanie1]

Darling's what 31?Would he have any currency at teams like Melbourne or Collingwood who are each short of a KPF?
I accept he may be too old, that his last 12 or so months haven't been flash & that the difference between his best & worst is substantial, but his best is very good & may be that missing piece for both those teams.

Freo should be going hard for Darling.

Their pick 21 will slide to pick 25-26.

 

[ziad]

Wardlaw would've been better in your example. Much better player than Sheezel from what I've seen.

Still don't get why people aren't happy with Ginbey, shown plenty.

Ginbey has shown plenty and we have a very solid defensive mid for the future. Could be a Ling type. Wardlaw is a class avbve and could be a future Abblett Jr, to keep the Cats comparative theme going.

 

[Obeanie1]

What flankers have looked good today? Looking forward to us welcoming them into our midfield

Next draft is chockers with flankers.

Mate we ARE SET!

 

[Obeanie1]

Ginbey has shown plenty and we have a very solid defensive mid for the future. Could be a Ling type. Wardlaw is a class avbve and could be a future Abblett Jr, to keep the Cats comparative theme going.

Ginbey looks above Ling in his pace, kicking and decision making. Noticed more than once with ball he looks for options, checks his kick and goes to a 2nd option with a deft softer kick.

Ginbey will be close to Crisp than Ling imo.

 

[Obeanie1]

Ginbey has shown plenty and we have a very solid defensive mid for the future. Could be a Ling type. Wardlaw is a class avbve and could be a future Abblett Jr, to keep the Cats comparative theme going.

Wardlaw doesn't have Abletts pace or step or skills.

He's more of a bash and crash physical inside mid but not super quick.

 

[Bacchus]

Ginbey looks above Ling in his pace, kicking and decision making. Noticed more than once with ball he looks for options, checks his kick and goes to a 2nd option with a deft softer kick.

Ginbey will be close to Crisp than Ling imo.

Hopefully better than Crisp. He is certainly more contested and a better tackler.

 

[darksquare]

Wardlaw would've been better in your example. Much better player than Sheezel from what I've seen.

Still don't get why people aren't happy with Ginbey, shown plenty.

I think this underestimates Sheezel. North have usually played him down back where he can rack up 30 possessions with high disposal efficiency - but his long-term future is as a 25-30-goal-a-year midfielder. That's where Daicos will end up too.

 

[amazingjoshy]

I think this underestimates Sheezel. North have usually played him down back where he can rack up 30 possessions with high disposal efficiency - but his long-term future is as a 25-30-goal-a-year midfielder. That's where Daicos will end up too.

Quite honestly it's too early tell, but I'm not underestimating Sheezel at all. For the sake of the posters argument Wardlaw looks better so far.

Ginbey could quite easily turn out best of the 3 imo

 

[Hook461123]

I know the club is normally pretty good at keeping its cards close to its chest but the last two years not so much. First there was the Chesser pick that leaked early and last year the pick swap was pretty much a done deal before the trade period started.

We’re only halfway through the season but the noise about English and the pick swap is already strong.

I can see us splitting pick 1 and then on trading one of them to the dogs for English. We still get a first round pick to continue the “rebuild” and also get our long time target in English.

It would be a poor decision imo, with English being a free agent shortly and BWilliams holding his own (comparatively). We then likely end up with Curtin/Edwards/Watson or someone in the 5-8 range and miss the top couple of mids in Reid and McKercher.

 

[Rowan18]

The fact that we aren't in a position to chase free agents speaks to our horrible list management over the last few years. We literally have three good players near their prime, one of which is Allen who signed his last contract prior to prime, so essentially just a list made up of old injury prone players on a steep downward trajectory, sub-standard players aged 23-28 and unproven youngsters. Over a two-year period I'd hazard a guess and say we're one of, if not THE, worst teams in history, but apparently paying close to full salary cap.

Go figure.

Bullshit we are at the top of our cap. Gov's big contract has ended and we can easily piss of Hurn and Shuey if we want to. Not to mention all the mid tier players out of contract. Gaff is out of contract next year so that's about $900k per year we can allocate.

If anything, our biggest problem will be spending the 95% minimum for the cap (or whatever it is).