List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

[Keys]

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[plays tall 1]

Has it crossed your mind that Yeo is contracted and may not want to go?

No, I thought we could just put a gun to his head and demand he agrees to leave. Thanks for clarifying

 

[Tugga27]

No, I thought we could just put a gun to his head and demand he agrees to leave. Thanks for clarifying

I thought you needed some clarification with all of the bullshit you're posting.

Happy to be of help

 

[Tugga27]

How many games has Yeo played in the last 3 years? If he’s not playing, he’s not providing much on-field leadership.

If that's how you're judging him, we will get nothing fo him so there's not point in pushing him out the door.

 

[plays tall 1]

I thought you needed some clarification with all of the bullshit you're posting.

Happy to be of help

What do you think is a fair trade for Yeo?

 

[plays tall 1]

If that's how you're judging him, we will get nothing fo him so there's not point in pushing him out the door.

We have to be realistic for a change. The club’s been deluded for a few years, and evidently some in high office still are.

We don’t need to shop Yeo around (and obviously we couldn’t without his consent) but if a sensible offer was forthcoming it’d be negligent to just disregard it.

 

[Tugga27]

What do you think is a fair trade for Yeo?

AFAIK, he's not up for trade so it's a moot point.

Like Derm said about trading out older players "they're like old cars. You don't get much for them so in most cases you're better off keeping them".

 

[CountryLad]

He's certainly a far better player than Lobb. I didn't realise Lobb was that old.

The thing is it’s hard to put a pick next to someone at this time of the year. Firstly the Saints would need to convince him to move. Secondly how bullish are the Saints about his form and injury risk.
At his best Yeo is one of the best Mids in the competition and a very good half back.
At his worst he can’t get on the park for extended periods……

 

[plays tall 1]

AFAIK, he's not up for trade so it's a moot point.

Like Derm said about trading out older players "they're like old cars. You don't get much for them so in most cases you're better off keeping them".

LOL. Nice copout.

 

[twce13]

If we take the view that we’re incapable of drafting good players in the twenties we might as well give it away.

I agree we don’t want a complete fire sale, we need to retain some experience. But unless we have confidence we can keep Yeo fit then I think we should be open to sensible offers.

Obviously we back ourselves in with every pick we take but the point is history tell us a pick in the 20s in general is still highly speculative. Given this I don't think it's worth trading such a valuable player as yeo. Our best moment this year has been when he turns on beast mode. Imo he in invaluable for our young mids to learn off.

Likewise to your comment on drafting, if we consign ourselves to not being able to get players fit, then as you put it, we might as well give it away.

I understand it's easy to lose faith in the medical team (they clearly have sucked.. the club better breach the soft cap and spend the $$ here), but we can't make list decisions on the assumption that our medical situation won't change, that's the most conservative thing you could do.

 

[Tugga27]

LOL. Nice copout.

It's not a cop out.
I don't think we would get anything worth trading him for.
As seen already this year, when he plays, he's crucial to us.

Just tell me, he's a Perth boy whose under contract.
Why would he want to leave?

Too many numpties on here think we can just push contracted players like Barrass, Darling and Yeo out the door.

 

[YeoGabbaGabba]

It's not a cop out.
I don't think we would get anything worth trading him for.
As seen already this year, when he plays, he's crucial to us.

Just tell me, he's a Perth boy whose under contract.
Why would he want to leave?

Too many numpties on here think we can just push contracted players like Barrass, Darling and Yeo out the door.

The TB one I’ll never understand.

Ah yes, let’s push out a WA born 27-year old key defender who is a premiership defender and made the AA 40 man-squad despite playing in the backline of a team that went 2-20 (keeping in mind, actually playing a defensive role rather than a one-way running half back flanker)

 

[Keys]

Will Yeo be available at the end of the year for the right price?

A lot will depend on whether Yeo can stay on the park for the rest of the season.

He’s the youngest of our veterans and is contracted for next year so would likely be considered a required player by the club

Assuming you could convince him to shift (unlike many of our other senior players he doesn’t have kids or even a partner) and it would likely take a 3 year deal on decent money for him to consider it, then a trade value is dependent on what WCE want

Based on the current ladder, your pick 14 is too much and 33 isn’t likely to be sufficient so it’s not straight forward - we’d need to add something with Yeo for 14 or you’ll need to add something to 33

Can’t be bothering arguing about what those somethings might be though because it’s hypothetical

 

[kempy]

Thanks mate. It's an outlet for my mundane week job. Plus I have a ridiculous amount of gear from shooting weddings (it pays for my GAS).
i worked as a sports photographer 10 years ago, and was trying to break into AFL photography but the circumstances didn't align. My one claim to fame was this photograph I got of Bontempelli in his draft year:

Princes Park didn't look much better today than it did 10+ years ago.

Today I used my Canon R7 and 100-500mm.
That gives me an effective full frame focal length of 160mm - 800mm which is pretty perfect for AFL photography (given the large size of the grounds). It also doesn't break the account or the back (due to the weight of these huge 400mm - 600mm primes).
I've been shooting for the Pioneers so you can see more of my photographs on their facebook/instagram.

Hmmm. Gear to dream about. Still, I spend money on a bike so …


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[TerryFilk]

The TB one I’ll never understand.

Ah yes, let’s push out a WA born 27-year old key defender who is a premiership defender and made the AA 40 man-squad despite playing in the backline of a team that went 2-20 (keeping in mind, actually playing a defensive role rather than a one-way running half back flanker)

Barrass is good but he’s clearly not going to be in our next great team and he’s essentially the only senior player with genuine currency

I’ve always thought he’s a little overrated, I would by no means push him out the door but if someone is willing to give us a good deal, I’d be happy for him to go.

 

[twce13]

The thing is it’s hard to put a pick next to someone at this time of the year. Firstly the Saints would need to convince him to move. Secondly how bullish are the Saints about his form and injury risk.
At his best Yeo is one of the best Mids in the competition and a very good half back.
At his worst he can’t get on the park for extended periods……

That's the thing tho, I can understand why other clubs wouldn't pay up for yeo.

But that doesnt mean we should just trade him for the best offer that comes our way (btw, I know your not advocating for that). He's one of those players that is far more valuable within the club then what we would get in return if we traded him.

 

[plays tall 1]

It's not a cop out.
I don't think we would get anything worth trading him for.
As seen already this year, when he plays, he's crucial to us.

Just tell me, he's a Perth boy whose under contract.
Why would he want to leave?

Too many numpties on here think we can just push contracted players like Barrass, Darling and Yeo out the door.

I don’t think we can, or should, push him out the door. But I expect he’s starting to question his career longevity and would be keen to maximise his earnings in the remaining 3 or 4 years. I don’t know if he could earn substantially more elsewhere.

He’s a matchwinner, and as such he’d have strong appeal to clubs in the flag window, especially if the Eagles covered part of his salary.

 

[Keys]

The TB one I’ll never understand.

Ah yes, let’s push out a WA born 27-year old key defender who is a premiership defender and made the AA 40 man-squad despite playing in the backline of a team that went 2-20 (keeping in mind, actually playing a defensive role rather than a one-way running half back flanker)

We’re not going to be pushing the likes of TB (or Yeo) out the door, it’s not how the club operates

That said, if a club comes chasing an otherwise required player to the point where they consider a move it’d be negligent not to at least consider any offer that would improve our draft hand

 

[Tugga27]

I don’t think we can, or should, push him out the door. But I expect he’s starting to question his career longevity and would be keen to maximise his earnings in the remaining 3 or 4 years. I don’t know if he could earn substantially more elsewhere.

He’s a matchwinner, and as such he’d have strong appeal to clubs in the flag window, especially if the Eagles covered part of his salary.

I can't see us trading him out and paying him to play somewhere else TBH.

 

[juddy_Like]

Ok to sum the last 40 odd pages up (for anyone cbf reading it).

We're going to delist all the deadweight or WAFL potatoes - Clark, XON, Winder, Trew, etc. Basically if you are getting dropped or the sub in the past month, you are goneskis!

All our really old premiership players (Shuey, Hurn) are going to retire. They'll have jobs for life though.

All our not as old premiership players (Barrass, Yeo) will be traded because of the previous two points and we really need more 'youth'. Don't worry TB, if you can afford a big house in Peppy Grove, you can afford a two bed shoebox in Bronte.

Nic Nat and Gaffy to be given a severance cheque to say adios amigos because of a mixture of all of the above. They also occupy the locker numbers of West Coast royalty and we kinda need to give one of them to Harley Reid.

We're getting Georgiadis via the pre-season draft for free because port are carnts.

We're going to trade a late-ish pick for Robertson because we like Brisbane.

Because of all of the above, we're building a war chest to get both Naughton and English for free.

If any of the above doesn't work because half our list will be from the last three drafts, oh well... at least we can say we have the youngest list (because having the oldest feels like a crime), will get pick 1 in both drafts next year and maybe the AFL might appreciate us again for once by giving us a Priority pick.

 

[juddy_Like]

If the above waffle didn't come out as tongue and cheek enough, we really need to retain some experience unless you count the likes of Allen, Duggo & the likes as it.

Also feels like we're the only set of supporters who hate that our players actually want to stay at the club.

 

[plays tall 1]

Obviously we back ourselves in with every pick we take but the point is history tell us a pick in the 20s in general is still highly speculative. Given this I don't think it's worth trading such a valuable player as yeo. Our best moment this year has been when he turns on beast mode. Imo he in invaluable for our young mids to learn off.

Likewise to your comment on drafting, if we consign ourselves to not being able to get players fit, then as you put it, we might as well give it away.

I understand it's easy to lose faith in the medical team (they clearly have sucked.. the club better breach the soft cap and spend the $$ here), but we can't make list decisions on the assumption that our medical situation won't change, that's the most conservative thing you could do.

The twenties are not that speculative. Depending on the strength of the draft, you can get All-Australian level players. In 2017 we got Oscar Allen and Liam Ryan there. Sam Taylor and Noah Balta were also taken in the twenties that year. Some of the other years are more hit and miss.

I guess it depends on how we rate this draft. Many draft watchers suggest it’s deep for quality.

 

[Lazzas]

The twenties are not that speculative. Depending on the strength of the draft, you can get All-Australian level players. In 2017 we got Oscar Allen and Liam Ryan there. Sam Taylor and Noah Balta were also taken in the twenties that year. Some of the other years are more hit and miss.

I guess it depends on how we rate this draft. Many draft watchers suggest it’s deep for quality.

Of course it does.

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[Obeanie1]

Obviously we back ourselves in with every pick we take but the point is history tell us a pick in the 20s in general is still highly speculative. Given this I don't think it's worth trading such a valuable player as yeo. Our best moment this year has been when he turns on beast mode. Imo he in invaluable for our young mids to learn off.

Likewise to your comment on drafting, if we consign ourselves to not being able to get players fit, then as you put it, we might as well give it away.

I understand it's easy to lose faith in the medical team (they clearly have sucked.. the club better breach the soft cap and spend the $$ here), but we can't make list decisions on the assumption that our medical situation won't change, that's the most conservative thing you could do.

Old players getting injured and falling off a cliff is what happens to long term players from WA teams. Isnt that relevent when considering Yeo and others? And list planning?

Its something we havent done very well. When we draft interstate kids we need to turn them over via trading when they reach 28 and keep refreshing the list. Our focus on drafting WA talent hampers natural list turnover.

 

[Obeanie1]

The TB one I’ll never understand.

Ah yes, let’s push out a WA born 27-year old key defender who is a premiership defender and made the AA 40 man-squad despite playing in the backline of a team that went 2-20 (keeping in mind, actually playing a defensive role rather than a one-way running half back flanker)

Who's pushing TB out the doot?

As for not understanding why? He wont be around when we play finals again and he's one of the few trade assets other clubs are very interested in. Is that difficult to understand? Media seem to understand how ans why logically it could be a win win for all parties.

But we arent as ruthless as Collingwood so it wont happen.

 

[the harry]

Who's pushing TB out the doot?

As for not understanding why? He wont be around when we play finals again and he's one of the few trade assets other clubs are very interested in. Is that difficult to understand? Media seem to understand how ans why logically it could be a win win for all parties.

But we arent as ruthless as Collingwood so it wont happen.

You're confusing ruthlessness with incompetent list management. They're literally paying the wage of a best 22 player for a fellow flag contender?