List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[Nat Fyfe]

Barrass for Sydney’s 1st (7) and Darling and a part payment of salary for Bullies (12).

Of all the teams to trade for Darling, why the Dogs lol

Bruce is being retrained as a defender because there's too many key forwards. Trading a 1st rounder for yet another one, especially when Croft is coming as FS, is Gold Coast levels of list management

 

[InTheWings]

In no way am I saying Simmo is the biggest cause of our issues because he’s not, but it’s also abundantly clear that he has completely lost the playing group, even his favourite senior guys don’t put in effort for him anymore.

Our club gets worse and worse by the day, worried about our long term culture if we’re just going to accept this.

A huge part of this is that the players literally can't be dropped, and they know it, and now they are playing like it. There is nobody to replace them. Didn't we have something like only 2 AFL listed players in the Beagles yesterday?

 

[garlic munchers]

Of all the teams to trade for Darling, why the Dogs lol

Bruce is being retrained as a defender because there's too many key forwards. Trading a 1st rounder for yet another one, especially when Croft is coming as FS, is Gold Coast levels of list management

Just maybe because you have a top 5 KPD playing as a solid KPF?

 

[Hawks_4478]

A huge part of this is that the players literally can't be dropped, and they know it, and now they are playing like it. There is nobody to replace them. Didn't we have something like only 2 AFL listed players in the Beagles yesterday?

They can’t be dropped because you’ve only had ~26 fit players to pick from.

 

[ep2018]

Lack of synergy with returning players from injury + game played at a notorious stadium where we havent won in 10+ years even with good squads + Sydney donating 5k(?) per goal scored in said game for charity (meaning the foot was not taken off the neck) is a perfect storm for a 170 point loss.

I'm worried but not too worried... reckon we'll give an average Saints team at home a good shake. Might even win. How about that.

 

[plays tall 1]

A huge part of this is that the players literally can't be dropped, and they know it, and now they are playing like it. There is nobody to replace them. Didn't we have something like only 2 AFL listed players in the Beagles yesterday?

Yes but one of them was Zane Trew, who appears to have turned the corner in the WAFL to the point where he now gets tagged, and last game in the AFL racked up 11 possessions playing only a third of the match.

 

[ep2018]

Also 100% certain North wont win another game this year. We better not win more than one game from here. Need pick 1 this season. Either we get the best draftee in the past decade or get a bounty of top picks. Please read the room West Coast.

 

[bzparkes]

Yes but one of them was Zane Trew, who appears to have turned the corner in the WAFL to the point where he now gets tagged, and last game in the AFL racked up 11 possessions playing only a third of the match.

Trew should be getting full games to finish the season and played in the guts to see what he's capable of.

Don't die wondering with the bloke, he appears to be putting in in the WAFL, while lazy plebs are gifted games in the seniors.

 

[ROO DOGG]

Aliir Aliir?

Big NO

 

[MrWoollie]

With these triple digit losses maybe the PP is upgraded to pick 2?

I think the AFL will have to revisit the 'no PP for you' attitude of earlier this year.
That said, they might have to get creative in what they offer.
Maybe something like...
1. Pre-draft, recruit 2 x WA only priority picks.
2. For the next 3 years the ability to match any academy bids, even before pick 40. This is no more than northern academy clubs have
3. For 2023 and 2024 a PP at the start of the second round

 

[Hawks_4478]

I think the AFL will have to revisit the 'no PP for you' attitude of earlier this year.
That said, they might have to get creative in what they offer.
Maybe something like...
1. Pre-draft, recruit 2 x WA only priority picks.
2. For the next 3 years the ability to match any academy bids, even before pick 40. This is no more than northern academy clubs have
3. For 2023 and 2024 a PP at the start of the second round

End of first round/ start of second round PP this year

 

[JADED]

+ Sydney donating 5k(?) per goal scored in said game for charity (meaning the foot was not taken off the neck) is a perfect storm for a 170 point loss.

Knew we had a game plan.
Haha, we sure showed them.
31 goals X $5,000 = $155,000 gone.
If we can't beat them, send them broke.
(In b4 "tax write off")

31 = exactly how many goals we've kicked in our last 5 games total.

 

[Goroyals22]

A huge part of this is that the players literally can't be dropped, and they know it, and now they are playing like it. There is nobody to replace them. Didn't we have something like only 2 AFL listed players in the Beagles yesterday?

Nathan Buckley said this on SEN this morning… Simpson has no carrot and he has no stick to use


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[Deepthroat]

At minimum the club needs to come clean on all outstanding contract announcements.

My suspicion is they are sitting on two x 2 year contracts for McGovern and Cripps which they are too afraid to announce.

Show the fans a little respect as I believe there are already further stuff ups like these in place and we don't even know the extent of how much more pain is to come yet.

 

[juddy_Like]

I think the AFL will have to revisit the 'no PP for you' attitude of earlier this year.
That said, they might have to get creative in what they offer.
Maybe something like...
1. Pre-draft, recruit 2 x WA only priority picks.
2. For the next 3 years the ability to match any academy bids, even before pick 40. This is no more than northern academy clubs have
3. For 2023 and 2024 a PP at the start of the second round

I’ll be happy with the PP compo North got last year with the only difference being we can trade it for pick/s or players.

North from memory had to trade them for established players only (I.e. Logue)

 

[Wooshaaaa]

7 tackles too. Another solid unit to help out Ginbey and Hewett and Chesser.
Edit: Highlights from the week before

If he is not top 5 for the 20m sprint and agility tests at the combine, we have no need for him. The last thing we need is another plodder.



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[Wooshaaaa]

Also 100% certain North wont win another game this year. We better not win more than one game from here. Need pick 1 this season. Either we get the best draftee in the past decade or get a bounty of top picks. Please read the room West Coast.

Have you seen our draw. We play 8 of the top 10 and north. Our % at the end of the year will be the lowest in AFL history.

No chance we don't hold the spoon

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[Nat Fyfe]

Just maybe because you have a top 5 KPD playing as a solid KPF?

But if we wanted to move Naughton back, we can just throw Bruce forward again? He kicked 48.21 from 20 games in 2021, which Darling hasn’t beaten since 2019.

I’m sure there’d be plenty of mature players at the Eagles the Dogs would be interested in, but Darling would be close to last. We’d have far greater need for one of Duggan, Barrass, Cole or Ryan

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

From 2018 to 2022, if you go through the draft and look from pick 40 onwards, absiolutely nothing good has been taken in all reality. The best names I can find are the likes of Michael Fredericks and Lachie Schultz which says alot if you ask me.

Its why the fanciful idea we will draft 6 to 8 players etc just should be a no go. If we do that we will make the same mistakes we made in 2018-2019 by using too many late picks in a crap draft. Id like to think any recruiter we have can be a bit more realistic and leave the max we draft at 5 players and with the idea we need to delist about 8, simply find 3 AFL ready bodies instead

Any 3 of the below suits me

Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

(PSD)
Jeremy Sharp
Dev Robertson
James Tunstil
Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

Ash Johnson
Matt Flynn (Free agency)
Tyler Brockman
Mitch Georgiades

19

Mitch Georgiades

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

(PSD)
Riley Bonner

36

Riley Bonner

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

12.1

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

279.8

4star

D

12.3

3star

K

10.3

4star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

279.8

4star

D

21.4

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

7.4

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.0

4star

(PSD)

I think Georgiades in the PSD, Dev Robertson and Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

and Dow in trades

 

[Chump Change]

From 2018 to 2022, if you go through the draft and look from pick 40 onwards, absiolutely nothing good has been taken in all reality. The best names I can find are the likes of Michael Fredericks and Lachie Schultz which says alot if you ask me.

Its why the fanciful idea we will draft 6 players etc just should be a no go. If we do that we will make the same mistakes we made in 2018-2019 by using too many late picks in a crap draft. Id like to think any recruiter we have can be a bit more realistic and leave the max we draft at 5 players and with the idea we need to delist about 8, simply find 3 AFL ready bodies instead

Any 3 of the below suits me

Paddy Dow (PSD)
Jeremy Sharp
Dev Robertson
James Tunstil
Zac Fisher
Ash Johnson
Matt Flynn (Free agency)
Tyler Brockman
Mitch Georgiades (PSD)
Riley Bonner (PSD)

I think Dow in the PSD, Dev Robertson and Zac Fisher in trades

I disagree on the basis of Richmond and Melbourne's list profile. Well, it's pretty much every flag side's list profile in the history of the draft.

To win a flag you need 2 things:

1. A core of elite players who can match it with the best teams' core of elite players
2. A coach who can implement a robust game plan that players buy into

If you have this, the role players will play to their optimal ability. The rest of the club from board level down will be happy and work as a team.

Both Richmond and Melbourne's profile had a core of elite players and the rest were role players taken in 2nd, 3rd, 4th round etc. Some didn't even get drafted and got picked up in the rookie draft.

So I think we try to spend all 6 in the draft. Maybe Dev Robbo or brockman, we give up pick 30-40. The only other reason we should be trading in experienced players is if our current senior players still carry baggage after Simmo is gone. But that wouldn't be using draft picks, but trading them out and trading in similar. Maybe half decent players that clubs want to offload their salary.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

If he is not top 5 for the 20m sprint and agility tests at the combine, we have no need for him. The last thing we need is another plodder.



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Fair enough he did accumulate a lot of possies this weekend that's all.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I disagree on the basis of Richmond and Melbourne's list profile. Well, it's pretty much every flag side's list profile in the history of the draft.

To win a flag you need 2 things:

1. A core of elite players who can match it with the best teams' core of elite players
2. A coach who can implement a robust game plan that players buy into

If you have this, the role players will play to their optimal ability. The rest of the club from board level down will be happy and work as a team.

Both Richmond and Melbourne's profile had a core of elite players and the rest were role players taken in 2nd, 3rd, 4th round etc. Some didn't even get drafted and got picked up in the rookie draft.

So I think we try to spend all 6 in the draft. Maybe Dev Robbo or brockman, we give up pick 30-40. The only other reason we should be trading in experienced players is if our current senior players still carry baggage after Simmo is gone. But that would be using draft picks, but trading them out and trading in similar. Maybe half decent players that clubs want to offload their salary.

Richmond and Demons are proof you need to trade in for AFL ready players fully

Demons grabbing Lever/Hibberd/May/Tomlinson/Dunstan/Langdon/Hunter/Grundy/Brown is a sign that you need to trade in players you need and not just hit the draft over and over again with 3 late picks in a row

Demons have 11 traded in players compared to our 7 (but our 7 include a few who have been with us for 10+ years whereas Demons all in a 5 year span)

 

[Wooshaaaa]

From 2018 to 2022, if you go through the draft and look from pick 40 onwards, absiolutely nothing good has been taken in all reality. The best names I can find are the likes of Michael Fredericks and Lachie Schultz which says alot if you ask me.

Its why the fanciful idea we will draft 6 to 8 players etc just should be a no go. If we do that we will make the same mistakes we made in 2018-2019 by using too many late picks in a crap draft. Id like to think any recruiter we have can be a bit more realistic and leave the max we draft at 5 players and with the idea we need to delist about 8, simply find 3 AFL ready bodies instead

Any 3 of the below suits me

Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

(PSD)
Jeremy Sharp
Dev Robertson
James Tunstil
Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

Ash Johnson
Matt Flynn (Free agency)
Tyler Brockman
Mitch Georgiades

19

Mitch Georgiades

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

(PSD)
Riley Bonner

36

Riley Bonner

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

12.1

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

279.8

4star

D

12.3

3star

K

10.3

4star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

279.8

4star

D

21.4

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

7.4

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.0

4star

(PSD)

I think Georgiades in the PSD, Dev Robertson and Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

and Dow in trades

No to Bonner (meh) and Georgiadis (not off the ACL reco)

We could get Brockman and Granger barrass and hawks first round pick (3) if we offered up pick one.

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[briztoon]

Fair enough he did accumulate a lot of possies this weekend that's all.

I saw Stevens compared to Will Gould on the weekend.

Gould dominated the U18 championships as a big bodied half back, with the kicking skills and boot of Shannon Hurn.

Like Stevens, he was a physically massive kid, bit undersized to be a true KPP, and he lacked speed and endurance.

Drafted by Sydney in the second round of the 2019 draft.

Has barely cracked Sydney’s first team, even with all their defensive woes, because he still lacks speed and has found it hard improving his tank. And that’s at a club well known for developing players.

 

[Chump Change]

Richmond and Demons are proof you need to trade in for AFL ready players fully

Demons grabbing Lever/Hibberd/May/Tomlinson/Dunstan/Langdon/Hunter/Grundy/Brown is a sign that you need to trade in players you need and not just hit the draft over and over again with 3 late picks in a row

Demons have 11 traded in players compared to our 7 (but our 7 include a few who have been with us for 10+ years whereas Demons all in a 5 year span)

It's about timing though.

We traded in Cripps, Yeo, and TK. Before that it was Stenglein and Chick. All at a much later stage than we are right now. Remember North of the 90s? Abraham, Pike, Laidley, and a heap of others? They wouldn't have done f-all without Carey, and to a lesser extent Stevo, McKernan, Schwass, Simmo.

We are not ready to trade in mature players unless they are direct replacements for current senior players. Taylor, Collica, Merenda, Prior, Carroll etc. Lots of other teams have tried it and it doesn't work unless you have that core group of elite players in place.

Which further goes to show: A core group of elite players is the most important thing in building a flag side.