List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[Cuzz09]

I'll be quietly very happy to get Duursma.

I felt like he contributed more than Harley in the games I watched.

Reid was good but trying to be flashy a lot too

Obv would love Reid too but Duursma looks polished and looks a good long term prospect.

Dunno who we'll end up with but on the Zane train

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[twce13]

cant understand how people can be angry at the club for losing.

disappointed that we miss out on Reid? sure.

But to be angry that the club didnt setup us up to deliberately lose is just insane. the ramifications of a club doing that going forward far outweighs any benefit we get from a single player.

personally im pumped to watch the game against adelaide now hoping we cand send off bunga and boots in the right way, without having the thoughts of losing reid back in mind.

on another note, would love us to go mckercher but i am not getting my hopes up on this.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

cant understand how people can be angry at the club for losing.

disappointed that we miss out on Reid? sure.

But to be angry that the club didnt setup us up to deliberately lose is just insane. the ramifications of a club doing that going forward far outweighs any benefit we get from a single player.

personally im pumped to watch the game against adelaide now hoping we cand send off bunga and boots in the right way, without having the thoughts of losing reid back in mind.

on another note, would love us to go mckercher but i am not getting my hopes up on this.

I'm certainly not angry, am disappointed.

Will be more disappointed when it turns out Cripps/Darling/Yeo/McGovern need surgery after the season ends for injuries they've carried for a month, and will miss the start of preseason. At that stage. What's the point.

I want to win every game, but if you serve up 21 games of mostly absymal rubbish, the damage has been done. Don't win a meaningless game now

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I’m not sure how much inside info Duff has on the Eagles draft thoughts after all he said the Eagles were keen on Cadman and Jye Clarke last year.

But he’s mentioned a few times this morning the Eagles have interest in Duursma. No Mention of McKercher.

Word from my contact in Melbourne was that the Pieman was keen to go Cadman at 2. GWS knew this and hence they wanted to get ahead. They were aware they reached but they did not need more mids and he was the best KPF in the draft and he was more likely to stay in Sydney.

 

[WCE_phil]

Whisper this morning is that the Crows might not come to Perth as a F U to the AFL and will forfeit

Looks like a good win after all

Bullshit. AFL would strip them of draft picks.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Word from my contact in Melbourne was that the Pieman was keen to go Cadman at 2.

Dear God, why?

Nothing against Cadman but key forward wasn’t exactly the top of our priorities list.

 

[TerryFilk]

Dear God, why?

Nothing against Cadman but key forward wasn’t exactly the top of our priorities list.

I’m not dismissing that we were into Cadman, as I had heard from others we were… but you’d have to think if we wanted him that badly we wouldn’t of helped facilitate a deal that would ensure we don’t get him, right?

I think he was probably our favourite prospect at 2, but we definitely weren’t in love with him by any means.

I do think we need a power forward, I actually think it’s a huge priority. Look at Oscar’s game yesterday, he was incredible when he was able to push up the ground, he should be at CHF, we need to get him a long term key forward partner pretty soon.

My dream is Naughton next off season, but I’d imagine the Dogs would match any bid for him, not sure I’d be giving up multiple high picks for him.

McDonald is the other guy we will obviously enquire about, but he seems happy in Sydney and is now the face of their forward line.

 

[Coasters7]

cant understand how people can be angry at the club for losing.

disappointed that we miss out on Reid? sure.

But to be angry that the club didnt setup us up to deliberately lose is just insane. the ramifications of a club doing that going forward far outweighs any benefit we get from a single player.

personally im pumped to watch the game against adelaide now hoping we cand send off bunga and boots in the right way, without having the thoughts of losing reid back in mind.

on another note, would love us to go mckercher but i am not getting my hopes up on this.

I wouldn’t ever want us to be changing things mid game to ensure a loss but managing the season should have been a priority.

Can’t tell me there’s guys in the side that aren’t screaming out for a bit of a break. There’s also a number of players out of contract that we could get a look at before the end of the season (Trew should have got a full game for instance).

Look at North (obviously not the greatest role model for success), but LDU and Wardlaw have been shelved for the season and that’s not going to have any effect on their culture or willingness to win, but will ensure they lose their remaining games.

Instead we let the fading premiership stars have one last hurrah for zero gain. There’s a very fine line between tanking and managing players but just being ultra conservative on sore players at the end of a tough year would have made no difference either way with moral but would have ensured a result

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Dear God, why?

Nothing against Cadman but key forward wasn’t exactly the top of our priorities list.

I have asked myself that question of the Pieman many times in the past. Unfortunately, I have NFI. When it was raised at a catch up with EastCoast and Monocle, they had heard similar or had nervously thought Cadman was such a Pieman pick.

So when we did the split, I was happy as I thought we still landed with 2 picks inside the sweet spot or hitting zone. I was a bit nervous we might go Jefferson with the Hewett pick so I was delighted when we took Elijah and Dees took Jefferson and took away the temptation.

 

[DanWCE]

Hey Mattman - thought about the best way to answer this. Either way I phrase it will not satisfy a section of the posters here.
First up - I like Reid - he's a talent. Yes I think he's number #1 and winning yesterday means he's unlikely to be there for WC's pick unless NM win this weekend (and that's certainly possible). Will we look back in 3 or 4 years time and say why - only time will tell. But what I do know is this.

1) Is Reid that far ahead of a couple of others that it's a train wreck - I don't believe so.
2) the pressure on the club has been sustained and enormous and is felt by everyone. It's human nature to start looking over our shoulders and second guessing themselves & so it's hard to do your job properly. Winning releases that pressure somewhat & you have can smile again which is such a relief. Look at the players reactions after the final siren incl Yeo who knew he was injured again & wasn't going to play last round for Shuey and Hurn.
3) continually losing has a bigger impact than destabilisation off field. It impacts the players greatly, their enjoyment of the game and the club. An unhappy workplace is not a great place to be. I know some have started to wonder whether WC is the right place to be & that is very unsettling. Ben McKay is likely exiting NM not for money (as he will be well paid wherever he ends up) but because he's sick of losing. A club cannot be successful and drag themselves out of the mire if players start to leave. GC has suffered a similar fate since their inception
4) we all know players want to win. But they're not stupid - they also know when coaches want to lose. After telling the players all year that you have confidence in them, that they have the ability to win any game, by 'tanking' you have effectively done a 180. Effectively you are saying "we need pick 1 because we need this player in our squad because you guys aren't good enough"
Not a great message.

It's a balancing act with no right or wrong.

How much harder does your job get now? With pick 1 this year I think we can all agree the first selection was made for you. Now that Reid's off the table the next few players in that top grouping couldn't sit further apart in what they offer the club.

 

[Keys]

I’m not dismissing that we were into Cadman, as I had heard from others we were… but you’d have to think if we wanted him that badly we wouldn’t of helped facilitate a deal that would ensure we don’t get him, right?

I think he was probably our favourite prospect at 2, but we definitely weren’t in love with him by any means.

I do think we need a power forward, I actually think it’s a huge priority. Look at Oscar’s game yesterday, he was incredible when he was able to push up the ground, he should be at CHF, we need to get him a long term key forward partner pretty soon.

My dream is Naughton next off season, but I’d imagine the Dogs would match any bid for him, not sure I’d be giving up multiple high picks for him.

McDonald is the other guy we will obviously enquire about, but he seems happy in Sydney and is now the face of their forward line.

Naughton is out of contract next year but isn’t a Free Agent

We’d have to trade for him

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I’m not dismissing that we were into Cadman, as I had heard from others we were… but you’d have to think if we wanted him that badly we wouldn’t of helped facilitate a deal that would ensure we don’t get him, right?

I think he was probably our favourite prospect at 2, but we definitely weren’t in love with him by any means.

I do think we need a power forward, I actually think it’s a huge priority. Look at Oscar’s game yesterday, he was incredible when he was able to push up the ground, he should be at CHF, we need to get him a long term key forward partner pretty soon.

My dream is Naughton next off season, but I’d imagine the Dogs would match any bid for him, not sure I’d be giving up multiple high picks for him.

McDonald is the other guy we will obviously enquire about, but he seems happy in Sydney and is now the face of their forward line.

You do realise that Naughton is off contract at the end of 2024 but not a RFA as he will only be 7 years post draft. English is the RFA - drafted in 2016 and reached 8 years.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I wouldn’t ever want us to be changing things mid game to ensure a loss but managing the season should have been a priority.

Can’t tell me there’s guys in the side that aren’t screaming out for a bit of a break. There’s also a number of players out of contract that we could get a look at before the end of the season (Trew should have got a full game for instance).

Look at North (obviously not the greatest role model for success), but LDU and Wardlaw have been shelved for the season and that’s not going to have any effect on their culture or willingness to win, but will ensure they lose their remaining games.

Instead we let the fading premiership stars have one last hurrah for zero gain. There’s a very fine line between tanking and managing players but just being ultra conservative on sore players at the end of a tough year would have made no difference either way with moral but would have ensured a result

At this stage Oscar has more bandages than a mummy yet we keep rolling him out. Insane.

 

[WCErevival]

I wouldn’t ever want us to be changing things mid game to ensure a loss but managing the season should have been a priority.

Can’t tell me there’s guys in the side that aren’t screaming out for a bit of a break. There’s also a number of players out of contract that we could get a look at before the end of the season (Trew should have got a full game for instance).

Look at North (obviously not the greatest role model for success), but LDU and Wardlaw have been shelved for the season and that’s not going to have any effect on their culture or willingness to win, but will ensure they lose their remaining games.

Instead we let the fading premiership stars have one last hurrah for zero gain. There’s a very fine line between tanking and managing players but just being ultra conservative on sore players at the end of a tough year would have made no difference either way with moral but would have ensured a result

Wardlaw is out with a hammy. No different to Ginbey.

 

[TerryFilk]

Naughton is out of contract next year but isn’t a Free Agent

We’d have to trade for him

Ah right, I was under the impression he was a RFA.

Definitely makes a deal less appealing, I’d be interested to see what the Dogs ask for if he does decide to leave, which looks very possible right now.

 

[bzparkes]

Wardlaw is out with a hammy. No different to Ginbey.

'Managed' is the official word.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Naughton is out of contract next year but isn’t a Free Agent

We’d have to trade for him

That's what you think.

I've heard that Naughton and English both want to come home and hate Melbourne. English is going to come as a free agent and Naughton is going to walk to us in the PSD, as long as we don't win a meaningless game in round 22 and avoid the spoon.

 

[TerryFilk]

You do realise that Naughton is off contract at the end of 2024 but not a RFA as he will only be 7 years post draft. English is the RFA - drafted in 2016 and reached 8 years.

Yeah, Keys just said. My mistake.

 

[CountryLad]

BOND 007

Ben McKay is likely exiting NM not for money (as he will be well paid wherever he ends up) but because he's sick of losing. A club cannot be successful and drag themselves out of the mire if players start to leave.

How likely or unlikely is it that McKay gets a contract that nets Nth band 1 compensation ?

He seems like a player that’s not worth that to me but you would have a far better idea of what players such as him are worth on the open market.
Nth holding pick 1 & 2 certainly could change the draft board.

 

[Keys]

At this stage Oscar has more bandages than a mummy yet we keep rolling him out. Insane.

The guy missed all of last year due to injury, do you really think he’s not going to do everything he can to get out there this year

 

[TerryFilk]

BOND 007


How likely or unlikely is it that McKay gets a contract that nets Nth band 1 compensation ?

He seems like a player that’s not worth that to me but you would have a far better idea of what players such as him are worth on the open market.
Nth holding pick 1 & 2 certainly could change the draft board.

I think I read somewhere Essendon have no interest in trading for McKay if North match, his own club don’t even want to match, they want someone to overpay so they can get a pick for him that they wouldn’t otherwise get on the open market.

I think it’s ridiculous they could end up with pick 2 for him when it’s obvious they don’t really want him to stay, don’t think they’ve even tabled an offer to him.

 

[MaxHunt]

Bullshit. AFL would strip them of draft picks.

Phil, where would you put Ginbey and Hewitt in this year's draft?

 

[Keys]

Ah right, I was under the impression he was a RFA.

Definitely makes a deal less appealing, I’d be interested to see what the Dogs ask for if he does decide to leave, which looks very possible right now.

I suspect Naughton will end up at Fremantle using the draft capital they get from Darcy leaving, either this year or next

That’s my best guess anyway

Personally not that interested in Naughton as he’d cost too much in draft picks when we’re still rebuilding

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I don't hold the same confidence you do on that. North don't know how to win.

I'm confident.

North beat Gold Coast. This board erupts in celebration and then we come from 30 down to best Adelaide for Nic, Shuey and Hurn.

This board goes into meltdown and we harvest more tears to fuel the fel-engine.



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[Eastern Rangers]

Whisper this morning is that the Crows might not come to Perth as a F U to the AFL and will forfeit

Looks like a good win after all

Right in front of me.

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