List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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  • Coby Burgiel

  • Sandy Brock

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Players out of Contract 2025 (16)
  • Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
  • Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
  • Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
  • Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
  • Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
  • Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
  • Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
  • Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
  • Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
  • (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
  • (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
  • (R) Sandy Brock (14/12/02) - Signed a 1 year contract (2025) when recruited as a SSP signing in February 2025
 
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For this performance Kelly was named best on ground for WA by their coaching staff. He was particularly impressive in the opening quarter, booting a goal, finding the footy and applying strong tackling pressure. Blake is a strong and tough inside mid with a nose for the footy at stoppage which he showed at times in this game when given the opportunity to play on ball, but for a lot of the game he was stationed in the forward line which allowed him to show his versatility.


Certainly looks a neat player. I’ve read that he’s quick but it wasn’t really apparent in that match. I’ll be watching him closely this year.

Warner was another WA mid with little fanfare in his junior career who seemed neat with everything he did but he certainly blossomed when he hit the AFL. Maybe there are similarities him and Kelly.
 
TBH my main worry with losing Allen is that we'll give up his compo for Warner. I'm worried we'll give up essentially everything half decent we have, given the way we handled trade week last week.
 
Matt Carroll signed on at Carlton so Durdin delisted. Durdin a key defender I believe, I wonder if we take a look of Brock and Van Es ain’t putting their hands up.

Not sure what this means for DGB as he was training on at the Blues as well
 

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Matt Carroll signed on at Carlton so Durdin delisted. Durdin a key defender I believe, I wonder if we take a look of Brock and Van Es ain’t putting their hands up.

Not sure what this means for DGB as he was training on at the Blues as well
I thought he signed on with their VFL team?
 
A lot of posters; myself included; have stated that getting a good ruckman is essential going forward.
Having a think about it, when NN went down in 2018 we went with Lyc/ Vardy. Neither a great ruckman but both mobile tough good marking players who gave us a presence around the ground.
Don’t BBW and JW potentially fit that bill? BBW is tough and doesn’t take a backward step in the argie bargie.JW is on track to be a terrific ruck/forward.
Next thing is Petrol. Would he make a good back pocket? Got all the attributes.
If we could make both those moves work we are well on the way.The Johnstons,Dewars,Halls,Gross’,Gregos, AReids are giving us serious depth.At least a couple of them will be seriously good players.
Short term the biggest questions are coach and game plan.The players appear to be embracing both. These types of things usually bring unheralded players to the fore.
Getting Warner would guarantee finals in 2026.
Looking further ahead with us on the up and Freo probably peaked and on the down there’s a good chance we will meet in a final in the not too distant future!!
 
A lot of posters; myself included; have stated that getting a good ruckman is essential going forward.
Having a think about it, when NN went down in 2018 we went with Lyc/ Vardy. Neither a great ruckman but both mobile tough good marking players who gave us a presence around the ground.
Don’t BBW and JW potentially fit that bill? BBW is tough and doesn’t take a backward step in the argie bargie.JW is on track to be a terrific ruck/forward.
Next thing is Petrol. Would he make a good back pocket? Got all the attributes.
If we could make both those moves work we are well on the way.The Johnstons,Dewars,Halls,Gross’,Gregos, AReids are giving us serious depth.At least a couple of them will be seriously good players.
Short term the biggest questions are coach and game plan.The players appear to be embracing both. These types of things usually bring unheralded players to the fore.
Getting Warner would guarantee finals in 2026.
Looking further ahead with us on the up and Freo probably peaked and on the down there’s a good chance we will meet in a final in the not too distant future!!
I will have a go at replying with my thoughts.
A ruckman of quality is needed before we can seriously be finals bound, BW is a tough no nonsense player but not a number 1 ruck, he has fought it out for several years but still is a very good second ruck. Flynn is a stop gap measure and I don't think he will take us much further than BW imo.
WC need a decent ruck that can compete and has the size 204cm+ and mobility to compete with the better end of the comp, finals in 2028 would be a reasonable timeframe so that is when we need a ruck of this quality, trade for 1 in 2026 when Flynn is finished, Moyle from GC and Reidy from FREO would fit the bill perfectly just coming into their prime and be around for 5+ years.
Petch hasn't shown enough to be given another contract imo, he doesn't have the defensive acumen to make a back pocket and if he was he would have been tried their by now, been on the list for a very long time without nailing a position.
The Johnston, Dewar, Hall, Gross, Grego, Archer are all very talented by their early form and pre-season reports, very good depth but add Hutch, Bazzo, JW, Barnett, Hewett, Long, Maric, B Allan, Shanahan, Davis and we have a serious core in 3-4 years to add to Reid, Ginbey and our 27yo and under group.
 
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Matt Carroll signed on at Carlton so Durdin delisted. Durdin a key defender I believe, I wonder if we take a look of Brock and Van Es ain’t putting their hands up.

Not sure what this means for DGB as he was training on at the Blues as well

Carlton still has a spot in their list I think but just confirms DGB is a potato


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I will have a go at replying with my thoughts.
A ruckman of quality is needed before we can seriously be finals bound, BW is a tough no nonsense player but not a number 1 ruck, he has fought it out for several years but still is a very good second ruck. Flynn is a stop gap measure and I don't think he will take us much further than BW imo.
WC need a decent ruck that can compete and has the size 204cm+ and mobility to compete with the better end of the comp, finals in 2028 would be a reasonable timeframe so that is when we need a ruck of this quality, trade for 1 in 2026 when Flynn is finished, Moyle from GC and Reidy from FREO would fit the bill perfectly just coming into their prime and be around for 5+ years.
Petch hasn't shown enough to be given another contract imo, he doesn't have the defensive acumen to make a back pocket and if he was he would have been tried their by now, been on the list for a very long time without nailing a position.
The Johnston, Dewar, Hall, Gross, Grego, Archer are all very talented by their early form and pre-season reports, very good depth but add Hutch, Bazzo, JW, Barnett, Hewett, Long, Maric, B Allan, Shanahan, Davis and we have a serious core in 3-4 years to add to Reid, Ginbey and our 27yo and under group.
When he left Geelong if you told people that Vardy would ruck in a winning GF side you would have been laughed out of town. JW is certainly better body on body but BBW has the better centre leap.
As far as Petrol goes I don’t think much experimentation went into the last three or four years.True it maybe too late for him but gee he fits the profile
 
The problem with BW is his ruck craft.

For a supposed tough player he seems to avoid contact at CBDs by jumping from the side ( giving the opposing ruck an easy run/jump at the ball).

He has other strengths, but these are secondary to his main role.

Maybe he will improve with a full preseason training as a ruck, but I have my doubts.
 

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The problem with BW is his ruck craft.

For a supposed tough player he seems to avoid contact at CBDs by jumping from the side ( giving the opposing ruck an easy run/jump at the ball).

He has other strengths, but these are secondary to his main role.

Maybe he will improve with a full preseason training as a ruck, but I have my doubts.
He jumps from the side as his leap is better than the oppo ruck, if he went straight on it would be as simple as sticking out the arm to imped his leap and they’d have an even easier time of it.
 
TBH my main worry with losing Allen is that we'll give up his compo for Warner. I'm worried we'll give up essentially everything half decent we have, given the way we handled trade week last week.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that leave us with Warner and at least another first rounder in hand? If we want Warner, we're giving up at least a first. Does it matter where it comes from?

The flip side is we keep Allen and potentially lose both firsts this year, or a first this year and the next.

With a glut of forward talent waiting to develop, which outcome do you think suits us best?

Personally I love Oscar, but it makes sense from a list perspective to add a couple of elite mids..one ready to roll & one of the better mids in the comp, the other potentially a top 5 or 10 talent.

I predict we are entering a period of ruthlessness in our list management...how long that continues for, who knows. But sacrifices need to be made in order to pull us back closer to the rest of the competition
 

Interesting that The Age has reported

"Three sources with knowledge of the situation, who did not want to be named in order to speak freely, said the club had offered Adam Shepard a role as replacement for Derek Hine. They then planned to appoint another person to work as the talent ID manager.

But Shepard told the club this week instead that he would take a similar role at West Coast, with the Eagles confirming his appointment to a new role as draft strategy and player movement manager."
 
Interesting that The Age has reported

"Three sources with knowledge of the situation, who did not want to be named in order to speak freely, said the club had offered Adam Shepard a role as replacement for Derek Hine. They then planned to appoint another person to work as the talent ID manager.

But Shepard told the club this week instead that he would take a similar role at West Coast, with the Eagles confirming his appointment to a new role as draft strategy and player movement manager."
Have they basically just made a fancy title for the bloke in charge of trades?
Draft strategy and player movement... trades.

We killed the actual draft which I think probably made up for an 'imperfect' trade period. Is this bloke there to stop Clarke from driving the car off a cliff?
 
Have they basically just made a fancy title for the bloke in charge of trades?
Draft strategy and player movement... trades.

We killed the actual draft which I think probably made up for an 'imperfect' trade period. Is this bloke there to stop Clarke from driving the car off a cliff?
What it sounds like to me is that they’ve left Matthew Clarke with ONLY player contracts which is just about the only thing he got right for the entire trade period. Which, to be fair he did very well.

Good move.
 
**** me. Thinking Vardy and Lycett won us the premiership as the ruck…

Yes they played in the grand final however, Nic Nat was AA ruck for the 15 games he played. It’s the wins in those games that helped us get top 2 and two home finals. If we had relied on Lycett/Vardy all year we wouldn’t have finished top 2, and would have been pushing shit uphill to even get to a grand final.

We don’t need an AA ruck, but we need a decent one. Even Lycett was miles better than BWilliams, Flynn has yet to show he can get on the field for any sort of time.
 
There isn't much between them at the same age. Lycett was a reasonable player but always felt he was a bit overrated.
Lycett was capable of being a mid level starting ruck, his stats were impacted by playing with Nic Nat a lot. Bailey Williams is a bottom couple in the starting rucks of the league.
 
**** me. Thinking Vardy and Lycett won us the premiership as the ruck…

Yes they played in the grand final however, Nic Nat was AA ruck for the 15 games he played. It’s the wins in those games that helped us get top 2 and two home finals. If we had relied on Lycett/Vardy all year we wouldn’t have finished top 2, and would have been pushing shit uphill to even get to a grand final.

We don’t need an AA ruck, but we need a decent one. Even Lycett was miles better than BWilliams, Flynn has yet to show he can get on the field for any sort of time.
100%
 
Lycett was capable of being a mid level starting ruck, his stats were impacted by playing with Nic Nat a lot. Bailey Williams is a bottom couple in the starting rucks of the league.
Bailey averaged more hitouts in 2023 than Lycett ever did in his career. That includes Lycetts time at the Power. Sure he was impacted by Naitanui but it's not like he was ever a dominant ruck with us. He wasn't dominant at Port either. Just solid.

I'll agree that Lycett was a more consistent player than Bailey given his rucking style and achieved more as a forward. I still don't think he was light years ahead though.
 

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