List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Bleedblueandgold]

Look, if it was up to me there wouldn’t be any academy or father son kids.

It would be a single unadulterated draft pool.

And draftee contracts would be 4 year’s minimum for first round picks. 3 years for second round picks, and two years for later picks.


In saying that, I’m pretty confident that Sydney and Gold Coasts academies are doing exactly what the AFL intended, in growing the game in the Northern states.

Gold Coast’s academy does a heap of work in regional towns, and State schools.

You have to remember, before the QLD academies, very few schools in QLD, public or private, played AFL as a school sport.

Public schools play rugby league and private schools play rugby union. School kids as young as 12 are being signed by NRL clubs, and receiving between $5k to $10k a year, plus free medical and dental, free kit and boots, and junior club membership, to join NRL teams development pathways.

Talented Kids here in QLD and NSW make money if the choose rugby league over other sports.

On the other side, the private schools offer scholarships to talented kids to play Union.

I know quite a few kids signed up to rugby league pathways also have scholarships to private schools. So they are getting the best of both sports. They are getting paid, getting a free quality education and get free medical and dental.


Back to AFL. There are a number of public schools in Gold Coasts zones, that now have AFL academy programs, and act as feeder schools to Gold Coasts academy.

Here in Brisbane, private schools started playing AFL two years ago. My old school has strong ties with the Lions, with a couple of the younger Lions players coaching some of the teams (Jaxon Prior is one the coaches).

I can guarantee that without the AFL introducing the academies here, AFL still wouldn’t have a presence at schools in QLD.

Regardless of the good work that those clubs have done to develop AFL players, it still doesn't explain why the AFL have ruled that they can still only be drafted by the teams running the NGA's, with the other teams only having access to their leftovers.
On the other hand they've changed the rules for the other 14 teams.
I guess they see it as some sort of reward for developing the game in those rugby dominated states?
I'm not saying that the Northern Academies need to be scrapped, but just that the rest of the league should have access to the players.

 

[kane249]

If we're going to be trading Bailey Williams to the Dogs, I'd like to think we ask for Bailey Williams in return.

Worked well with the Jackson Trengove's at Port Adelaide

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[Miguel Sanchez]

Fun fact: in about 2002 Collingwood had two players named Andrew Hill on their list.

 

[briztoon]

Regardless of the good work that those clubs have done to develop AFL players, it still doesn't explain why the AFL have ruled that they can still only be drafted by the teams running the NGA's, with the other teams only having access to their leftovers.
On the other hand they've changed the rules for the other 14 teams.
I guess they see it as some sort of reward for developing the game in those rugby dominated states?

First, our academies aren’t NGA academies. Yes there is a difference.

Explanations have been provided.

The most simple answer is that AFL is the dominant football code in Vic, SA, WA and TAS.

It’s not in NSW and QLD.

Take away the Northern Academies, and we likely see a decline in the number of kids playing the sport in the Northern states.

If you don’t grow up here, you don’t see or understand the difference in how the sports operate at a junior level.

If you’re born in Brisbane, and you’re a talented kid, there is a direct pathway from U12 football to playing for the Brisbane Bronco’s.

It’s like how the old zones used to work in Victorian VFL.

Depending on where you are born, there are direct pathways to the club you likely grow up supporting.

Unless you get poached by another club, in to their pathway.

To put it in to context, imagine if Victoria still allowed zone recruiting. Collingwood would become an unstoppable juggernaut with priority access to all the Oakleigh Chargers kids, and any kid boarding at a private school in the Chargers zone.

That’s still how the NRL works. It’s just that more kids from working class suburbs come through the NRL pathways.


A lot of Victorian clubs spent more time investigating the parentage and lineage of talented kids in the pathways, looking for “free hits”, instead of reaching out to new immigrant communities, holding trials and actually running development programs, etc.

Then the AFL actually looked at the Bureau of Statistics figures and realised they had made a monumental **** up in regards to NGA eligibility.

50% of Australians were either born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas.

If the AFL allowed full access to NGA eligible kids, on top of father son kids, then the draft would become a shamozzle.

All those kids in WA who’s parents came over from South Africa and Zimbabwe would be NGA eligible. Erasmus and Van Rooyen would have been nga eligible.

That’s on top of the indigenous kids.

Then there’s the growth of the game in the Sudanese community in Victoria.

Any kid with an African, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean or South or North American parent.

Andy McGrath would be an NGA kid, as his family is from Canada, even though he grew up with the game, and went to an elite private school playing the game.

My daughter would be NGA eligible, because my wife was born in Asia, even though my daughter is growing up with the game.

 

[ziad]

First, our academies aren’t NGA academies. Yes there is a difference.

Explanations have been provided.

The most simple answer is that AFL is the dominant football code in Vic, SA, WA and TAS.

It’s not in NSW and QLD.

Take away the Northern Academies, and we likely see a decline in the number of kids playing the sport in the Northern states.

If you don’t grow up here, you don’t see or understand the difference in how the sports operate at a junior level.

If you’re born in Brisbane, and you’re a talented kid, there is a direct pathway from U12 football to playing for the Brisbane Bronco’s.

It’s like how the old zones used to work in Victorian VFL.

Depending on where you are born, there are direct pathways to the club you likely grow up supporting.

Unless you get poached by another club, in to their pathway.

To put it in to context, imagine if Victoria still allowed zone recruiting. Collingwood would become an unstoppable juggernaut with priority access to all the Oakleigh Chargers kids, and any kid boarding at a private school in the Chargers zone.

That’s still how the NRL works. It’s just that more kids from working class suburbs come through the NRL pathways.


A lot of Victorian clubs spent more time investigating the parentage and lineage of talented kids in the pathways, looking for “free hits”, instead of reaching out to new immigrant communities, holding trials and actually running development programs, etc.

Then the AFL actually looked at the Bureau of Statistics figures and realised they had made a monumental **** up in regards to NGA eligibility.

50% of Australians were either born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas.

If the AFL allowed full access to NGA eligible kids, on top of father son kids, then the draft would become a shamozzle.

All those kids in WA who’s parents came over from South Africa and Zimbabwe would be NGA eligible. Erasmus and Van Rooyen would have been nga eligible.

That’s on top of the indigenous kids.

Then there’s the growth of the game in the Sudanese community in Victoria.

Any kid with an African, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean or South or North American parent.

Andy McGrath would be an NGA kid, as his family is from Canada, even though he grew up with the game, and went to an elite private school playing the game.

My daughter would be NGA eligible, because my wife was born in Asia, even though my daughter is growing up with the game.

50% of Sydney was born OS.

 

[briztoon]

50% of Sydney was born OS.

And???

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If the AFL allowed full access to NGA eligible kids, on top of father son kids, then the draft would become a shamozzle.

I’d argue it’s already there, tbh.

 

[Chump Change]

Regardless of the good work that those clubs have done to develop AFL players, it still doesn't explain why the AFL have ruled that they can still only be drafted by the teams running the NGA's, with the other teams only having access to their leftovers.
On the other hand they've changed the rules for the other 14 teams.
I guess they see it as some sort of reward for developing the game in those rugby dominated states?
I'm not saying that the Northern Academies need to be scrapped, but just that the rest of the league should have access to the players.

We're the biggest and richest sports club in the country and our onfield success is only bettered by Hawkthorn. We need to be at the forefront of being custodians of the game and that means having systems in place (i.e. the academies) that help grow the game in non-AFL states. There's something bigger going on here than fairness.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

First, our academies aren’t NGA academies. Yes there is a difference.

Explanations have been provided.

The most simple answer is that AFL is the dominant football code in Vic, SA, WA and TAS.

It’s not in NSW and QLD.

Take away the Northern Academies, and we likely see a decline in the number of kids playing the sport in the Northern states.

I never said to get rid of the northern academies, just to allow other teams to draft the players, just like the NSW and QLD teams are allowed to draft players from anywhere else in the country (or the world).
There's still no explanation about why they have to be recruited by the clubs that run the academy they're involved with.
Are these kids gonna decline joining if there is a risk of them having to leave their hometown?
Is that the stipulation that is the key to getting them to convert from rugby to footy?

 

[ziad]

And???

This obviously supports your defence of the support AFL is giving non traditional paths such as NGA in northen states in particular. To that end I know kids in Perth who are in NGA squads who were born into the game. But cast the new widely!

 

[ziad]

We're the biggest and richest sports club in the country and our onfield success is only bettered by Hawkthorn. We need to be at the forefront of being custodians of the game and that means having systems in place (i.e. the academies) that help grow the game in non-AFL states. There's something bigger going on here than fairness.

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[Rowan18]

First, our academies aren’t NGA academies. Yes there is a difference.

Explanations have been provided.

The most simple answer is that AFL is the dominant football code in Vic, SA, WA and TAS.

It’s not in NSW and QLD.

Take away the Northern Academies, and we likely see a decline in the number of kids playing the sport in the Northern states.

If you don’t grow up here, you don’t see or understand the difference in how the sports operate at a junior level.

If you’re born in Brisbane, and you’re a talented kid, there is a direct pathway from U12 football to playing for the Brisbane Bronco’s.

It’s like how the old zones used to work in Victorian VFL.

Depending on where you are born, there are direct pathways to the club you likely grow up supporting.

Unless you get poached by another club, in to their pathway.

To put it in to context, imagine if Victoria still allowed zone recruiting. Collingwood would become an unstoppable juggernaut with priority access to all the Oakleigh Chargers kids, and any kid boarding at a private school in the Chargers zone.

That’s still how the NRL works. It’s just that more kids from working class suburbs come through the NRL pathways.


A lot of Victorian clubs spent more time investigating the parentage and lineage of talented kids in the pathways, looking for “free hits”, instead of reaching out to new immigrant communities, holding trials and actually running development programs, etc.

Then the AFL actually looked at the Bureau of Statistics figures and realised they had made a monumental **** up in regards to NGA eligibility.

50% of Australians were either born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas.

If the AFL allowed full access to NGA eligible kids, on top of father son kids, then the draft would become a shamozzle.

All those kids in WA who’s parents came over from South Africa and Zimbabwe would be NGA eligible. Erasmus and Van Rooyen would have been nga eligible.

That’s on top of the indigenous kids.

Then there’s the growth of the game in the Sudanese community in Victoria.

Any kid with an African, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean or South or North American parent.

Andy McGrath would be an NGA kid, as his family is from Canada, even though he grew up with the game, and went to an elite private school playing the game.

My daughter would be NGA eligible, because my wife was born in Asia, even though my daughter is growing up with the game.

The academies are good for growing the game, but the AFL should be the ones running them. It is ridiculous that some teams get access to top talent and others don't. I'd accept it if other teams could better leverage their advantages from being in strong football states (eg priority access to local talent etc), but when the league goes as far as to have a soft cap to hold back wealthy clubs, it's crap that these sort of advantages exist.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The problem is the AFL trying to be a little bit pregnant. Either do away with the draft and let every club develop their own youngsters, or keep the draft and run the development side of the game completely separately. This piecemeal setup where “every junior goes into the draft but sometimes a team that’s had a hand in developing them has first crack at them but not if they’re too good but maybe if they can match points…” is a Frankenstein nightmare.

 

[briztoon]

I never said to get rid of the northern academies, just to allow other teams to draft the players, just like the NSW and QLD teams are allowed to draft players from anywhere else in the country (or the world).
There's still no explanation about why they have to be recruited by the clubs that run the academy they're involved with.
Are these kids gonna decline joining if there is a risk of them having to leave their hometown?
Is that the stipulation that is the key to getting them to convert from rugby to footy?

Yes.

 

[briztoon]

This obviously supports your defence of the support AFL is giving non traditional paths such as NGA in northen states in particular. To that end I know kids in Perth who are in NGA squads who were born into the game. But cast the new widely!

Sorry, wasn’t sure what you meant.

Every kid in the northern states (outside the Riverina and Aubrey) is in an academy zone, and their pathway to being drafted goes through one of the four northern academies.

Ethnicity doesn’t matter in regards to the northern academies.

 

[briztoon]

The problem is the AFL trying to be a little bit pregnant. Either do away with the draft and let every club develop their own youngsters, or keep the draft and run the development side of the game completely separately. This piecemeal setup where “every junior goes into the draft but sometimes a team that’s had a hand in developing them has first crack at them but not if they’re too good but maybe if they can match points…” is a Frankenstein nightmare.

I agree, the AFL should be the organisation responsible for developing talent.

All the QAFL clubs would prefer to do away with the academies, and be responsible for developing the talent locally, and they have a pretty strong argument (at least those in the Brisbane zone do) for being solely responsible.

But the growth of the game at grass roots level here would stall, as the QAFL clubs have zero media presence here, outside of families already involved.

 

[ziad]

Regardless of the good work that those clubs have done to develop AFL players, it still doesn't explain why the AFL have ruled that they can still only be drafted by the teams running the NGA's, with the other teams only having access to their leftovers.
On the other hand they've changed the rules for the other 14 teams.
I guess they see it as some sort of reward for developing the game in those rugby dominated states?
I'm not saying that the Northern Academies need to be scrapped, but just that the rest of the league should have access to the players.

Your failure I am afraid to think the AFL is a sporting comp. They are in the entertainment business (self stated) and all this is about growing the audience.

 

[Goroyals22]

Your failure I am afraid to think the AFL is a sporting comp. They are in the entertainment business (self stated) and all this is about growing the audience.

You cant expect the afl to think they are responsible only for football…. i mean the eagles believe its more important to have a positive impact on the community rather than win football games as per Gibbs last email.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Ah jeez not this again.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You cant expect the afl to think they are responsible only for football…. i mean the eagles believe its more important to have a positive impact on the community rather than win football games as per Gibbs last email.

He didn’t actually say that but if you really wanted to, you could twist his words to make them mean that.

I’m a professional word twister and even I think it’s a stretch, but you do you.

 

[dkalphy]

Good result, doubt PA make finals now.

So that trade last year where everyone as complaining about turned out great.

So we'll have two picks in the 20's now.

 

[WCE_phil]

We're the biggest and richest sports club in the country and our onfield success is only bettered by Hawkthorn. We need to be at the forefront of being custodians of the game and that means having systems in place (i.e. the academies) that help grow the game in non-AFL states. There's something bigger going on here than fairness.

We are owned by the WAFC and the WAFC don't won't AFL involvement. It's one area where the clubs hands are tied where we can't really do any more. We already have the largest community presence of any club in the league as it is. If we set up development pathways in our NGA areas the WAFL clubs would lose their shit. The WAFC won't allow it to happen and if you think the AFL are corrupt they are the tip of the iceberg in comparison to the WAFC.

 

[Chump Change]

We are owned by the WAFC and the WAFC don't won't AFL involvement. It's one area where the clubs hands are tied where we can't really do any more. We already have the largest community presence of any club in the league as it is. If we set up development pathways in our NGA areas the WAFL clubs would lose their shit. The WAFC won't allow it to happen and if you think the AFL are corrupt they are the tip of the iceberg in comparison to the WAFC.

All I'm saying is that we should support Academies and their access to players in NSW and Qld.

 

[ziad]

You cant expect the afl to think they are responsible only for football…. i mean the eagles believe its more important to have a positive impact on the community rather than win football games as per Gibbs last email.

The AFl are a more ruthless and better managed buisness.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

The worst academy pick of all time was Nick Blakey

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Nick Blakey

Age

24

Ht

196cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.4

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

7.2

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.2

3star

! That was an oversight, he only lived in Sydney because his dad worked for the swans...
He wasn't a true born into a non afl environment, which is the major reason for the those academies. He would've practically grown up at the swans.