List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Ambrose Burnside]

We've gone from mids, mids and more mids, Pie Man will be hung, drawn and quartered if he trades our good picks or goes tall, to being OK with trading our good picks, to being OK with going tall.

It's been wild.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

I’d much rather cough up a second rounder than lose Willie

I'm not 100% sure where I sit on it. Willie can do things that no-one else can, with that said he had an opportunity to come back this year in absolute cherry ripe shape after the club showed alot of patience with him which I don't think he has done. His application to training I think will affect him more and more as he ages and I think his risk of hamstring injuries will continue to rise.

Willie's a special player but one that will pop up every 4-5 games maybe and win you a game with a 1-2 quarter burst.

It'd hurt to see him in another guernsey in those games he pops off but at this stage of our rebuild I'd rather be trying to find a player that is going to give a consistent four quarter effort 4 out of 5 weeks.

I think he offers more value to Richmond than the player he is because it helps them secure the other Riolis in the team.

If we had an elite S&C team that got him into tip top shape everything I've said is irrelevant and he's untouchable.

 

[Spooky17]

I'm not 100% sure where I sit on it. Willie can do things that no-one else can, with that said he had an opportunity to come back this year in absolute cherry ripe shape after the club showed alot of patience with him which I don't think he has done. His application to training I think will affect him more and more as he ages and I think his risk of hamstring injuries will continue to rise.

Willie's a special player but one that will pop up every 4-5 games maybe and win you a game with a 1-2 quarter burst.

It'd hurt to see him in another guernsey in those games he pops off but at this stage of our rebuild I'd rather be trying to find a player that is going to give a consistent four quarter effort 4 out of 5 weeks.

I think he offers more value to Richmond than the player he is because it helps them secure the other Riolis in the team.

If we had an elite S&C team that got him into tip top shape everything I've said is irrelevant and he's untouchable.

Rioli can do things no other player on our list can do. He has moments of magic that lift our team.

For me, I absolutely do not want to trade him, unless a godfather offer comes along (like a top-10 pick, which it won’t).

I agree he hasn’t produced what I hoped he would this year, but he’s been out of the game for two years. Give him another pre-season, and an injury-free run, and I think we’ll see him back to his best next season.

 

[FKASC]

I'm not 100% sure where I sit on it. Willie can do things that no-one else can, with that said he had an opportunity to come back this year in absolute cherry ripe shape after the club showed alot of patience with him which I don't think he has done. His application to training I think will affect him more and more as he ages and I think his risk of hamstring injuries will continue to rise.

Willie's a special player but one that will pop up every 4-5 games maybe and win you a game with a 1-2 quarter burst.

It'd hurt to see him in another guernsey in those games he pops off but at this stage of our rebuild I'd rather be trying to find a player that is going to give a consistent four quarter effort 4 out of 5 weeks.

I think he offers more value to Richmond than the player he is because it helps them secure the other Riolis in the team.

If we had an elite S&C team that got him into tip top shape everything I've said is irrelevant and he's untouchable.

Yeah fair call

 

[SumaGodCoach]

If this years draft is as poor as a couple on here are suggesting, the argument to trade out our pick 2 is increasingly attractive, especially if we can strengthen our 2023 draft hand.

If Nth receive a mid-1st Rd compo pick, trading our pick 2 for their compo (~10) + future first might have a big pay off.

Nth get picks 1+2 this year, allows them to draft Busslinger + best mid.

We get pick 10 this year, which will net us a serviceable talent, and a good chance to go to the draft in 2023 with two top 5 picks.

This was one of the fake trade ideas that I like the most, death riding Norf would certainly be fun. An added bonus to making this trade is that the AFL would give us 2 games against Norf next year, making the trade even more valuable in terms of getting some more wins on the board to build our young players confidence.

 

[shooshka]

Rioli can do things no other player on our list can do. He has moments of magic that lift our team.

For me, I absolutely do not want to trade him, unless a godfather offer comes along (like a top-10 pick, which it won’t).

I agree he hasn’t produced what I hoped he would this year, but he’s been out of the game for two years. Give him another pre-season, and an injury-free run, and I think we’ll see him back to his best next season.

We saw how much he improved early on, in an elite environment. He's always had weight issues, and the 2 years off didn't help in that regard.

In Rioli and Ryan we have 2 players who may not find a heap of it, but can certainly make things happen when they do have it (creativity and vision far ahead of most players).

If we can get the ball into their hands more, we are a better team for it. Trading one away for a guy who is a solid AFL player isn't really a step forward.

I'm really looking forward to Rioli having a massive preseason as I think he can become even more of that mid/fwd (rather than a bit-part-midfielder as he is now) if he can increase his aerobic capacity and drop a few KG's.

 

[bzparkes]

Actually, Willie's averaging his highest for goals this season, according to commentators yesterday.

 

[Monocle]

For the draft gurus out there (I’m no expert and have only seen very limited content) but is Hewitt very similar to an underage SPP (who was very good)?

Some similarities but more differences.

SPP is more a crash and bash player with a burst of speed away from packs, his major downfall by comparison, is that his kicking is very hit and miss.
Hewett is more cerebral and thinks his way through traffic, has a great burst of speed that gets separation from the pack and here is the most significant difference to SPP, Hewett has outstandingly good foot skills on both sides of his body, with ball in hand he is a better user and distributor of the ball.

The other point that would have impacted SPP's draft position was the perceived off field behaviours and issues.

There are absolutely no such issues for Hewett as he is a terrific kid.

A bit of an analogy on their comparative styles:

SPP is a cleaver. Hewett is a scalpel



IMO if SPP had possessed Hewett's foot skills, he would have been a top 5 pick.

 

[Rowan18]

We saw how much he improved early on, in an elite environment. He's always had weight issues, and the 2 years off didn't help in that regard.

In Rioli and Ryan we have 2 players who may not find a heap of it, but can certainly make things happen when they do have it (creativity and vision far ahead of most players).

If we can get the ball into their hands more, we are a better team for it. Trading one away for a guy who is a solid AFL player isn't really a step forward.

I'm really looking forward to Rioli having a massive preseason as I think he can become even more of that mid/fwd (rather than a bit-part-midfielder as he is now) if he can increase his aerobic capacity and drop a few KG's.

Rioli absolutely killed it in the first couple of weeks this year. He has getting 20 disposals and a couple of goals a week. He got injured and hasn't seemed the same since (coinciding with our team also falling apart).

 

[juddy_Like]

Sorry silly me but I meant SPS (Petrevski Seton) who from memory was much more refine (compared to SPP) extracted it well and didn’t butcher it as much.

Whilst I’m at it, it’s Hewett not Hewitt!

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Rioli absolutely killed it in the first couple of weeks this year. He has getting 20 disposals and a couple of goals a week. He got injured and hasn't seemed the same since (coinciding with our team also falling apart).

Just to add some context to this, he only had one game above 15 disposals in the first 7 rounds (North Melbourne - 18 disposals). He's kicked multiple goals in 3 games this year being 4, 3 & 3 in round 2, round 4 and round 15 against North Melbourne, Collingwood and Essendon.

I'm not trying to dump on the guy but I think you've got to give something of quality to get something of quality back and there's a risk reward there that I think makes sense. With that said I'm more than happy to keep him with the hope our S&C team pull their finger out this summer.

 

[Chump Change]

Just to add some context to this, he only had one game above 15 disposals in the first 7 rounds (North Melbourne - 18 disposals). He's kicked multiple goals in 3 games this year being 4, 3 & 3 in round 2, round 4 and round 15 against North Melbourne, Collingwood and Essendon.

I'm not trying to dump on the guy but I think you've got to give something of quality to get something of quality back and there's a risk reward there that I think makes sense. With that said I'm more than happy to keep him with the hope our S&C team pull their finger out this summer.

1. He's a "cherry on top" player. That player who makes a top 8 side "pop" and potentially move to top 4 and potentially a flag.
2. Yes, we have to give up quality if we want to trade in good players.

I rate him highly but he's not a "need now" player. We need to build the core and outwards. I wouldn't trade him for the sake of trading him, but if people want to trade in players then the currency we have is pick 20, pick 28, Willie, Liam Ryan. As much as many (myself included) want to offload a Gov or Darling, it seems unrealistic.

I'd only be letting him go if he was needed to get Bruhn or Dev Robbo.

 

[eagles rule]

Big nah to trading Willie at all but especially to get Baker when we have draft collateral in those areas ..


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[Hap Hapablap]

so after the two years of bullshit we had to deal with rioli people now want him out.....

i cant even.....

 

[WCE_phil]

Trading willie is just downright stupidity.

Outside of fitness and strength and conditioning (which can be fixed) the one thing the club has struggled with since the changes to rules and as they have slowed is transition from d50 to f50 and back. This goes all the way back to losing lecras and then jetta.

It's why gaff is a ****ing liability not an asset. As although he runs to make space he just slows the game down and is a non entity the other way at the moment.

Why has the club looked better with Yeo in defence and Cripps playing good games. It's because that is linking the defence to the midfield to the forward line. Our midfield is weak and our offensive run is crippled by personnel and the inability of youth to maintain the required standard for long enough.

Taking one of our few key transition players who has great kicking, play reading and transitional ability to trade for a B grade mid is just a straight ****ing terrible idea.

The club is ranked 18th in inside 50's per game. We would be so far behind if it wasn't for the games (apart from yesterday) that Nicnat wasn't available. Without him playing at his best our midfield gets destroyed hence less inside 50's. Less transitional run and good kick players means less inside 50's. If your midfield is getting obliterated you can have the best defence in the world and you will get slaughtered. If you don't have players able to make the hard kicks, run and carry for transition then you can't get it out of your back half. The club is averaging 40 inside 50's a game and most aren't great entries due to being too slow on transition. The club then gets slaughtered the other way due to not having the required fitness or the right players to be able to press hard and run back hard.

You still need a forward line who can kick goals and particularly the players who can get the ball into the forwards and then keep it in there if the forwards don't win the contest.

Willie might be too old for our premiership push but trading him out for a player that just limits how much we are hurt in the midfield is a horrid idea. It will just make the biggest problem the club has worse.

 

[Shmiddy15]

Have we ever had a more important player to get to 100 games than Willie? Even if he has to play the last few in a wheelchair we should make sure it happens.

 

[Chump Change]

so after the two years of bullshit we had to deal with rioli people now want him out.....

i cant even.....

I don't think people "want him out". If you want to trade in good players then you have to give up good players (or picks). We only have a few people on our list with currency and he is one of them.

 

[Truckosaurus]

No trading Ryan or Rioli until we get them to the Father-Son minimum

 

[Monocle]

No trading Ryan or Rioli until we get them to the Father-Son minimum

Ryan on 80 games
Rioli on 48 games

 

[FKASC]

Our Willie

 

[Bacchus]

Ryan wouldn't go, would retire instead.

Willie might go but is a stupid idea.
In a team lacking X factor and class you want to send him out the door for a second round pick or vanilla mid.
After all we have invested in him?
Crazy, culture killer.

 

[WestCoast05]

I'm not trying to dump on the guy but I think you've got to give something of quality to get something of quality back and there's a risk reward there that I think makes sense. With that said I'm more than happy to keep him with the hope our S&C team pull their finger out this summer.

This is true to a certain extent - BUUUUUT generally when a player makes a request to leave it's usually (somehow Geelong bucked this trend with TK the bastards) the club losing the player that settles for unders.

This effect is magnified when public of course. And also I think when a player has helped win your team premierships there is a certain level of benevolence given to a faithful servant who has contributed to success.

I surely wouldn't mind us getting Liam Baker for unders.
None are stars, but other players that we could get for unders who could be serviceable role players are of course Robertson, Georgiades, SPP.
Many will balk at SPP of course (and make a hyperbolic driven post as if I was suggesting giving up a first rounder for him) - but if we could get a Baker and SPP for unders that adds a lot of current-culture-changing, contested, grunt to our team.

 

[Chump Change]

Ryan wouldn't go, would retire instead.

Willie might go but is a stupid idea.
In a team lacking X factor and class you want to send him out the door for a second round pick or vanilla mid.
After all we have invested in him?
Crazy, culture killer.

I think the father/son argument is valid. But X-factor? He has it in spades. But it's not really where we are at.

When we talk about vanilla mid - both Dev Robbo and Bruhn might end up vanilla mids. But they could also end up a 200 game Jack Redden type who will play in the next flag, or maybe better.

My preference would be to try get one of those players with a second rounder. But if it came down to the club wanting Willie, I'd seriously consider it. But again, father/son, particularly with any Rioli is a big deal.

 

[shooshka]

1. He's a "cherry on top" player. That player who makes a top 8 side "pop" and potentially move to top 4 and potentially a flag.
2. Yes, we have to give up quality if we want to trade in good players.

I rate him highly but he's not a "need now" player. We need to build the core and outwards. I wouldn't trade him for the sake of trading him, but if people want to trade in players then the currency we have is pick 20, pick 28, Willie, Liam Ryan. As much as many (myself included) want to offload a Gov or Darling, it seems unrealistic.

I'd only be letting him go if he was needed to get Bruhn or Dev Robbo.

So after however many months or years (it does seem like years TBH) of rating A grade, B grade etc etc...

You pick one of our potential A graders (he can definitely go to that level - not saying he will but with commitment plus the right role he has the skills) to trade for guys who you have stated previously are only ever going to be B graders.....

If trading 2 for 5 or 6 plus Bruhn was a bad idea, trading Willie (or Ryan) for Bruhn or Robertson would be a hanging offence.

 

[Free Agent]

Ryan wouldn't go, would retire instead.

Willie might go but is a stupid idea.
In a team lacking X factor and class you want to send him out the door for a second round pick or vanilla mid.
After all we have invested in him?
Crazy, culture killer.

Riloi being in the side is good for morale especially our indigenous group, he is a valuable part of. We lose Rioli for a crappy pick it just isn't worth it. His a gun and helps our culture especially Ryan and others around him. Important part of our side. No way should be trade Rioli. Plus we wouldn't get much for him as other clubs will low ball. They would probably offer pick 40-50. I would rip apart that so fast and throw it in there face. That is just insulting.

Just sign him for another 2-3 years.

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