List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[paran]

Dodo went full CWE by picking up the perceived HBFer in the draft, believing he had midfield potential.

Ah yes, the Country Women's Elders (CWE), keen draft insights from them lot, and known to make a mean pie or two... the Pieman would be pleased.

 

[Monocle]

Big call having Phillipou at #1. He's like the phantom - know one has ever seen him play. Also has Hewett above Warlord, and Tsatas at 6. Ashcroft is a clear #1 to me. Not saying he'll end up the best play, but he's the best prospect.

Not correct I have seen his work at Woodville West Torrens and let me just say this.

There is a reason that the SA management are doing their best to ensure that he is only getting limited exposure in the Championships …… now if I was being cynical I might just connect that to assisting in a draft pick drop, to coincide with where Adelaide might be having their first pick.

As it’s been mention if he was born a week or so latter he would be in the conversation as the possible #1 pick in the 2023 draft.

By the way he isn’t that much like Bont, as he isn’t as quick or naturally gifted runner.

His overhead marking and general game is , however, much more Fyfe like in comparison.
Kids got very clean hands, is one touch, has sticky fingers aerially and has footy smarts.
Unlike Fyfe he is a decent kick on goals.

I predict that he continues to rise up draft boards into the real pointy end after ( injury permitting- or lack thereof ) he returns to the SANFL as plays the remainder of the season at WWT.

I also think that comparatively, some of the hype and kudos attached to Ashcroft has, unfairly IMO, been diluted because most have just assumed that it is, a fait accompli that he becomes a Brisbane Lion.

If you want to go safest option and use our pick on a sure thing that’s a midfielder, knowing that he may not have the highest ceiling then you take Clark.
Mr Consistent to a tee.

You want the kid in this draft that has the most upside and possible growth then you take either Sheezel or Philipou.

What will the Pie Man Do ….. NFI.

It also need to be acknowledged that this has been a shit year for assessing comparative ability and the top end ranking order because these kids haven’t played.

Wardlaw
Tsatas
Busslinger ( only played 1/2 the Champs)

We are in a good position if we get a pick in the first three.

I do have my favourite, but any of the realistic option at pick 3ish are ok with me.

 

[Bender_]

Ah yes, the Country Women's Elders (CWE), keen draft insights from them lot, and known to make a mean pie or two... the Pieman would be pleased.

I thought he was referring to Cam Wellis-Eolman.

 

[MrWoollie]

You have to stagger your exits in a rebuild otherwise so end up with a bunch of 18 year olds who aren't ready.

Is pick 93 really going to be better than current Luke Shuey?

In 2023, probably not (for the 10-12 games where Shuey isn't injured)
In 2023, definitely (for the 10-12 games where Shuey is injured),
In 2 years time, probably,
in 3-4 years time, certainly.

And that's the point. We are not staggering our exits. A busted up JK retires, and probably only because he is physically shot. And that's about it for the old guys.
That would mean that at the end of 2023 we lose Hurn (definitely), Redden (end of contract extension), Shuey (after playing reduced games and game time due injuries), NicNat (High possibility) after a year that offered what?

And we won't have a bunch of 18 year olds who aren't ready (which raises the question, why aren't OUR 18 year olds ready when other clubs are? Oh that's right, they're not getting any game time).
We have a core of experience left in the backs, mids and forwards, so it's not as if we don't have experience out there.

And remember, if guys like Chesser and Clark and Trew and Jones and Cole and XON and and and are sitting around in the Beagles they'll just get disgruntled and bugger off to somewhere where they get a game. And that doubles our rebuild woes.

 

[Ochre]

A lot of pressure on a club with a top 3 pick for the first time in forever. Do you go with the sure thing who maybe has a lower ceiling, or the high risk high reward option?

You win the flag by being 1 of 18, can't do that playing it safe. Gotta roll the dice imo.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You win the flag by being 1 of 18, can't do that playing it safe. Gotta roll the dice imo.

Everyone knows you win the flag by getting a genius assistant coach to do all the work.

 

[Ochre]

Everyone knows you win the flag by getting a genius assistant coach to do all the work.

Yeah good point. Trade the pick to Hawthorn

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

In 2023, probably not (for the 10-12 games where Shuey isn't injured)
In 2023, definitely (for the 10-12 games where Shuey is injured),
In 2 years time, probably,
in 3-4 years time, certainly.

In 3-4 years Pick 93 will be delisted after having played no games.

That's assuming he shows more than a Ben Jonson who was delisted after two years without playing a game.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

What's Wardlaw's background? I feel like we need to go for someone with bit of a left-field background as basketball and rugby haven't worked for us lately. Maybe Frisbee-golf or checkers?

Steely Green has a Sailing Background

 

[JackOutback]

Steely Green has a Sailing Background

And a country music background... I assume.

 

[southcoast]

Steely Green has a Sailing Background

Won’t be much good kicking into the wind. Will want to tack his way forward.

On second thoughts he may suit our ‘old’ game style perfectly.


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[flamingEMBERS]

Something else to consider is to NOT go down the North path.

Just getting rid of old players because they are old isn't a strategy on its own. North punted Harvey (38), Dal Santo (32), Petrie (34) and Firrito (33) who barely missed a game between them in 2016. They kept Sam Gibson (30) for another year, Jarrad Waite (33) for another two, Andrew Swallow (29), Lachie Hansen (28), Lindsay Thomas (28) for another one. And they persisted with guys like Jamie Macmillan, Sam Wright, Majak Daw, Shaun Atley, Aaron Mullett who were a couple of years younger and fit the age profile. Granted they made other poor decisions but they backed a lame horse.

Our 25-29 bracket is Clark, Duggan, Nelson, Ryan, Sheed, Barrass, Rioli, Langdon, Kelly, Yeo. Solid, but injury concerns and 3 of them are fringe at best. The 23-24 bracket is even more iffy. If we are going to be cutting harshly in the next couple of years we're going to have to cut some younger guys and not just the 3-5 oldest each year.

St Kilda also did it before them

 

[briztoon]

lets be clear.. with the current system, lions are not losing anything. the system is a farce, teams should pay what a player is worth. you act like its no biggie that a team in the 15-18 range will be getting the best player in the cohort. For a team in the top 4 getting the best player, losing all their picks isnt even going to make it a losing scenario for said team.

remember the draft was meant to be an equalisation system.
current system and teams manipulating with pick trades goes against this completely.

So you’re dead against the very concept of father son kids?

Every team has the ability to trade up for a pick that’s been made available by another team.

It’s not like other clubs didn’t know this was coming. Ashcroft has been considered a top talent since U12’s.

In terms of how talented a kid is, it is completely random. We never, or rarely hear about the non talented kids.

Where a club sits on the ladder when a kid comes through is also completely random.

I know we’re not losing anything, in terms of getting a highly rated talent for later picks.

I’m not acting like nothing. That’s your perceived projections.

I’ve never said it’s a losing scenario.

What I am discussing is the current system. And how it relates to Ashcroft and the Lions.

I don’t know if there is potentially a fairer system.

I don’t believe raising the points requirement for just top 5 or top 10 bids is fair.

Raising the points requirement to the current full value, across the board, regardless of where the bid comes, is probably fairer.

But that won’t stop teams trading higher picks for multiple lower picks worth more. It will encourage more of it.

There are a lot of projected father son kids in 2024. It also looks like there’s going to be a lot of Northern academy kids in this draft as well. Potentially more than we have seen before.

 

[Schtinker]

I still like Shuey on a HFF. Yeo, Naish and Jones HBF, BP. Petro and Hough on the Wings. Nelson to Widgiemooltha B Grade. Hurn plays on.

 

[Obeanie1]

So you’re dead against the very concept of father son kids?

He never said that.

Clubs can have their father sons. They should NOT be allowed to benefit trading out their 1st rounders and paying for elite talent with picks in the 30's.

 

[eagles rule]

Watched some snippets some nuffy chucked together from his boundary cam, Hewett could very well turn into the best player in the draft, that kid is a smooth moving, candy selling, fend off giving son of a gun. who i feel could fix a lot of issues.

I saw that too Hewitt is really explosive when he gets on the move ,tackles well and kicks goals ..
After watching him play WA 17`s last year v SA and in the colts G/F as a under-ager he was tracking to be a star , I would say he is lacking any real support in the WA team and the pressure of having to carry this team is having sort of toll ..

 

[twce13]

Tbf I've said in previous posts that I dislike fs and academy rule in general. I feel like romatiscm is being prioritised over integrity.. But fine, if fs rule is important to people then at least make it fair. If that means a team trades out of thier first and loses the fs right then so be it..

Also all discounts should def be thrown away.. that is a serious jk imo. Pay what a player is worth, don't punish the other 17 teams. If the reality is a team in the top 4 gets access to a top prospect and then thier future first rnd draft pick gets downgraded then again so be it, at least the rules will be leaning towards equalisation rather then the current bs system.

if you were trading from say 15th to 1st it would cost you your first, a future first, prob the rest of your picks and more. But somehow the current system let's you get a player for your first (esp after trade manipulation) and still have a few ok picks later on. Broken system.

And this isn't a current system vs. Old system. Both broken. Both unfair.

As for Academy.. this needs to be canned completely. Nothing wrong with grass root and development being invested in less afl traditional areas and backgrounds, but it doesn't have to be at the expense or draft integrity.

Too much of afl flies in the face of integrity and a fair playing field imo. Ie. MCG GF is a legit jk..

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Regarding McCluggage v McGrath - I have contacts in Melbourne who 90% could not believe Essendon took McGrath. McCluggage was the best player, GWS went hard for a position of need and had a plethora of balanced midfielders. Dodoro got sucked in on that one.

So in theory you never know but that year was a head scratcher decision

He did also have a huge grand final as a mid where he was best on ground.
Had 38 disposals, 21 contested which I think swung it.

Mind you McCluggage was absolutely dominating and was the clear number 1.

 

[briztoon]

He never said that.

Clubs can have their father sons. They should NOT be allowed to benefit trading out their 1st rounders and paying for elite talent with picks in the 30's.

I know he never said that.

Just that it’s unfair for a top 4 team to get a kid who is highly rated.

As I said previously, I’d happily pay our first rounder for Ashcroft. Any team in our position would.

But the system was changed when teams (Eddie at Collingwood) complained about Sydney who finished second, getting Heeney, a top 3 rated kid in the draft, for pick 18.


As for matching Ashcroft with multiple picks in the 30’s.

What is it that is unfair?

It’s not possible for a team in our position to only trade our first round pick to collect enough points to match a bid at pick 1.

Best scenario I can up with is our first round pick and future second round pick to Gold Coast for picks 25, 32 and 33.

It’s a trade I make in a heart beat.

 

[briztoon]

if you were trading from say 15th to 1st it would cost you your first, a future first, prob the rest of your picks and more. But somehow the current system let's you get a player for your first (esp after trade manipulation) and still have a few ok picks later on. Broken system.

I don’t have a problem with anything else you posted, so I’m quoting your whole post.

My only comment is about the bolded.

This is not totally correct.

Say we make the trade with Gold Coast I mentioned in the post above, we trade our first round pick and future second round pick for picks 25, 32 and 33, and we take 5 picks to the draft.

We start with picks 25, 32, 33, 34 and 44.

If Ashcroft is bid on at pick 1, it uses up picks 25, 32, 33 and 34.

We get “given” pick 1, and then the last 3 picks in the draft.

So we don’t have a few ok picks later on. Just pick 44, and potentially picks 67, 68 and 69.

If the bid comes at pick 3, we match with picks 25, 32 and 33, and get “given” pick 3, get back pick 48 from residual points and still have pick 34 and 44.

 

[The Passenger]

There's probably a fair argument that clubs can only use their top two picks when grabbing F/S, NGA and whatever other academy players there are.

That would more accurately reflect a real world scenario of draft pick values. The system is pretty accurate for a single pick against two draft picks. But valuing a single pick against three picks - and certainly against four or more - and it starts becoming pretty unrealistic.

What a club gives up should resemble something close to a real world trade, bearing in mind the 20% (I think it's 20) discount... Pick 7 and 24 to grab a FS/Academy draftee at 1... I don't think that's a problem because that's not a completely unrealistic trade. Pick 28, 30, 31 and 34 for the #1 pick... Now that's just stupid - no club is ever giving up pick 1 for those four picks.

(Those picks might be a tad off either direction, but the point remains the same)

 

[WCEswift]

I would say he is lacking any real support in the WA team and the pressure of having to carry this team is having sort of toll ..

I was trying to think of a way to write this in my write up but brain farted on how to say it, without triggering people haha

 

[Cuzz09]

Hope we get Phillipou now actually.

Weve had good success with SA kids

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[Monocle]

Hope we get Phillipou now actually.

Weve had good success with SA kids

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Indeed we have.
Premiership representation apart from our first is pretty strong:

1992 - Exclusively home grown 100% all Western Australian Players ..... Put the fear of God into the Eastern Seaboard.... loved it..... Fu(k You VFL

1994 - Shane Bond and David Hynes.
2006 - Sam Butler and Beau Waters.
2018 - Scott Lycett, Jack Redden and our Captain Shannon Hurn.

As a general rule, when we draft South Australians, they love the Club, they love the state and they stay, well at least until they taste the sweet taste of success.

 

[Goosecat]

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Brodie Grundy

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30

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202cm

Wt

105kg

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17.5

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8.0

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32.0

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16.4

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6.8

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9.6

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34.6

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13.8

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8.6

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Andrew Gaff

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32

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184cm

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83kg

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26.6

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2.5

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11.2

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8.0

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3.2

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3.2

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0.6

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