List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Tugga27]

Yeah i agree.

I would offer him a coaching role down back to work along side Pratt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Redden hangs the boots up this year also and go out on a high. Being playing decent enough footy but once Sheed is back i cant see a role for him.

Shuey should stay on but not as captain. Worst case he just hangs the boots up mid year and we get a pick in the mid season draft.

Redden has already been extended for next year.
Can't see him pulling the pin TBH.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

There's a big difference between retiring, and not being a 22 games a year player.

Hurn would fill a role on our list. If we lose McGovern for extended periods again, having Hurn around to plug in and help sort the backline is invaluable.

If however McGovern is fit, Yeo is fit, and playing off half back, then Hurn won't need to play much. Would much rather we dumped Witho and Nelson though and kept Hurn for the backup.

 

[Obeanie1]

Hard to generate draft currency for our mid tier players if the older guys are taking 1/3 of the players on the field each week.




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We've used more players this season than anyone else.

The middle teir and kids have all had opportunities, some have taken them others havent.

As for generating draft currency? Please explain? Do you mean playing fringe players so increase their trade value

Hard to do that if the team is getting flogged with so many players unavailable, and you want to get rid of players there to help in development.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

We've used more players this season than anyone else.

The middle teir and kids have all had opportunities, some have taken them others havent.

As for generating draft currency? Please explain? Do you mean playing fringe players so increase their trade value

Hard to do that if the team is getting flogged with so many players unavailable, and you want to get rid of players there to help in development.

I don't know that giving more games to Langdon, Nelson, Witho, Rotham and other plodders helps increase their trade value, in fact it probably has the reverse effect.

 

[kane249]

Regarding Brander, if 2 clubs have failed to do what needs be done, he needs to take the initiative and do it himself: bulk up

From what i am told Fyfe took the initiative and started smashing the gym largely on his own

And if we want an example at own our club, we once had a skinny wingman who started smashing the gym and turned himself into a brute full forward, Fraser Gherig

I am not sure what seems to be the aversion with Brander to having him hit the gym with vigor and eat like its his full time job, but it seems to be this obsession with preserving his "mobility"

Think about how much muscle he could have put on from draft day to now, if either club, or himself, had prioritised this from day one

Or Brander just doesn't have the appetite for contested work, he's another McDougall/Watts

 

[Rowan18]

Not suggesting Hawk’s outcome is perfect, but with or without those guys they were going to finish where they did and they got picks back for their older guys.

Pretty sure Mitch Lewis came from the trades they got for Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis

It’s still early days for their kids.




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The Hawks vets netted them some shitty 3rd round pick swaps or something. Mitch Lewis came in the third round and plays that way. He is similar to our Waterman, has some good games but goes missing in others. A good third tall. Part of the Hawk's problem is they're trying to make him into their key forward.

 

[Obeanie1]

I don't know that giving more games to Langdon, Nelson, Witho, Rotham and other plodders helps increase their trade value, in fact it probably has the reverse effect.

Expecially if we cut out senior contributing players to play them.

We will continue to look and play like a second grade team defending 90% of the game without the ball. That wont help any rebuild.

 

[Chad in Vegas]

Interesting. I think Phillipou may be the JHF of this draft - the SA clubs will attempt to pre-empt each other for him before Pick 4/5. I think we should exploit that. I would be showing strong interest in him to see what could be shaken loose from the Crows or Power in a trade offer.

Assuming the order stays as is trading with Adelaide to move back one spot with a decent sweetener (like their 2nd round pick this year or next) would be a no brainier if we don't want Phillipou and they are genuinely worried we'll trade with Port.

The trade with Port would be more interesting though. Moving back to 8 would likely see a fair chunk of quality gone, we could take the gamble Hewett is still there if we decide he is our man but I would want to see something pretty enticing coming back our way and they don't have much to give. I would do it for their first next year but they would have to really rate Phillipou to give that up.

 

[amazingjoshy]

The Hawks vets netted them some shitty 3rd round pick swaps or something. Mitch Lewis came in the third round and plays that way. He is similar to our Waterman, has some good games but goes missing in others. A good third tall. Part of the Hawk's problem is they're trying to make him into their key forward.

Can't agree here. I'm def not one of the Waterman haters that reside on here...but Lewis has him covered easily imo.

He's also 198cm and 100kgs. He's a genuine KPF. 36 goals in 13 games this year in a low ranked team is pretty good going.

His stats compare pretty favourably compared to JK and Hawlins at the same age

 

[amazingjoshy]

This doesn't sound like North are even asking for a start of draft PP so I think anyone worried about that can probably not anymore

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The caretaker coach calling the list “good” and the president calling it “outstanding” is surely going to hamper their PP claims.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

This doesn't sound like North are even asking for a start of draft PP so I think anyone worried about that can probably not anymore

I think the AFL has no interest in giving away start of the draft picks unless the team is in dire dire need. Much more likely to see end of first rounders with a stipulation attached that must be traded for senior players.

Getting in more kids after a few years of being dire, doesn't help the team in the short term, adding some senior players to balance out the age profile (as flagged by Adams) does.

 

[southcoast]

In the meantime we have plenty of dross in the middle of our list that can be turned over without cutting aggressively at the older guys who will naturally age out. Especially given they are still contributing players.

So much this!

Our older players are seemingly the ‘easy target’ in this conversation.

That’s not to say they all stay or go - but IMO you can cut too hard, especially when the list middle is underperforming and/or too few in number.

List management decisions will be interesting over next few years.


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[Godfather32]

Expecially if we cut out senior contributing players to play them.

We will look like a second grade team and no one would be interested in any of them.

We already do look like a second grade team with all those senior players

 

[darksquare]

I think the AFL has no interest in giving away start of the draft picks unless the team is in dire dire need. Much more likely to see end of first rounders with a stipulation attached that must be traded for senior players.

Getting in more kids after a few years of being dire, doesn't help the team in the short term, adding some senior players to balance out the age profile (as flagged by Adams) does.

So the AFL will give North Melbourne an end-of-first-round pick and they'll give it to us for Andrew Gaff. As further assistance, the AFL will pick up some of Gaff's salary. Make it so!

 

[Bender_]

This doesn't sound like North are even asking for a start of draft PP so I think anyone worried about that can probably not anymore

Maybe some sort of mature age player priority access? Did GC have something similar?

 

[Godfather32]

So the AFL will give North Melbourne an end-of-first-round pick and they'll give it to us for Andrew Gaff. As further assistance, the AFL will pick up some of Gaff's salary. Make it so!

That would be amazing

 

[WCErevival]

Gaff is a senior player

Edit - Beaten to it!

 

[Chump Change]

Hard to generate draft currency for our mid tier players if the older guys are taking 1/3 of the players on the field each week.

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There's a bigger problem. 80% of AFL players are soldiers. They look a million bucks in a top 4 team, ok in a middling team, and dogshit in a bottom 4 team. So being at the bottom of the ladder makes it really hard for those mid tier players to play at optimum and therefore hold currency.

We thought we were in a flag window from 2019-2021, and list wise we were. So we had to play our older players. When it cam time to play those middling players, we'd already hit the iceberg.

We should start getting some top end talent in. Once they get 50 - 70 games under there belt and we start winning some games, those middling players who are up to it will show themselves.

 

[UseR2006]

So the AFL will give North Melbourne an end-of-first-round pick and they'll give it to us for Andrew Gaff. As further assistance, the AFL will pick up some of Gaff's salary. Make it so!

This was my first thought as well.

 

[joeyavalanche]

We've used more players this season than anyone else.

The middle teir and kids have all had opportunities, some have taken them others havent.

As for generating draft currency? Please explain? Do you mean playing fringe players so increase their trade value

Hard to do that if the team is getting flogged with so many players unavailable, and you want to get rid of players there to help in development.

I was replying to the other post suggesting building draft currency. To be honest there’s not much there to build that will grow enough in the short/medium term to build any trade currency.

I understand that we have used the whole list this year. Some players don’t show their true skill in a few games and gain more from the continuity before they start to blossom. How does that happen if we have all these 30+ guys taking those minutes?

If our older guys were performing like they are for Geelong or we were on the cusp of the 8 then I understand dragging them for another season, but they getting the same results as a bunch of 18 year olds anyway. So why not use these down years to develop other players or take our chances in the draft?

Other than some help to develop the young guys (which we have plenty on the list to do so without them) what is the long term gain here?

You trying to win games or flags?


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[joeyavalanche]

The Hawks vets netted them some shitty 3rd round pick swaps or something. Mitch Lewis came in the third round and plays that way. He is similar to our Waterman, has some good games but goes missing in others. A good third tall. Part of the Hawk's problem is they're trying to make him into their key forward.

Forgot Hawthorns progress, it was about how they moved on guys and got draft picks in return while they still had currency.

If those guys would have turned out good it would be a whole different story.

Difference is 3 years after it all happened they have tried making some inroads, we have chosen to sit on our hands


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[Falco]

Assuming the order stays as is trading with Adelaide to move back one spot with a decent sweetener (like their 2nd round pick this year or next) would be a no brainier if we don't want Phillipou and they are genuinely worried we'll trade with Port.

The trade with Port would be more interesting though. Moving back to 8 would likely see a fair chunk of quality gone, we could take the gamble Hewett is still there if we decide he is our man but I would want to see something pretty enticing coming back our way and they don't have much to give. I would do it for their first next year but they would have to really rate Phillipou to give that up.

I agree - I would shape Adelaide as they have the better draft position. If it saw us slide back to pick 5 and gain a 2nd rounder, then I would be ok with that.

At the moment a plausible scenario might be:

North have pick 1 - they bid on Ashcroft (Brisbane match). They then pick Busslinger with 2.
After that its us. Adelaide picks Phillipou after swapping with us. Essendon then pick Wardlaw / Sheezel.

That leaves us with Hewett, Wardlaw / Sheezel, Clark. We then have pick 20 and Adelaide and Port's 2nds. 4 picks in the top 30.

Plenty to work with there - it would be great to have another top 15 pick but that's going to be very tough to do without trading players or compromising 2023's draft.

 

[Chad in Vegas]

I agree - I would shape Adelaide as they have the better draft position. If it saw us slide back to pick 5 and gain a 2nd rounder, then I would be ok with that.

At the moment a plausible scenario might be:

North have pick 1 - they bid on Ashcroft (Brisbane match). They then pick Busslinger with 2.
After that its us. Adelaide picks Phillipou after swapping with us. Essendon then pick Wardlaw / Sheezel.

That leaves us with Hewett, Wardlaw / Sheezel, Clark. We then have pick 20 and Adelaide and Port's 2nds. 4 picks in the top 30.

Plenty to work with there - it would be great to have another top 15 pick but that's going to be very tough to do without trading players or compromising 2023's draft.

Essendon are a game and % above Adelaide at the moment and have some winnable games to come, so seem unlikely to slip below them I reckon (though Adelaide do play us so could get another win!). Giants are at risk of slipping below Adelaide though if they don't get their shit together though.

If we did end up with another 2nd round pick we would also be in a really good position to trade with the Lions for their first rounder which me end up 15 or lower if they keep up their recent finals record.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Forgot Hawthorns progress, it was about how they moved on guys and got draft picks in return while they still had currency.

If those guys would have turned out good it would be a whole different story.

Difference is 3 years after it all happened they have tried making some inroads, we have chosen to sit on our hands


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Ignore how it actually went down, but we totally should have done the same thing.