List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Chump Change]

I'm not convinced Witherden or West are on the way out.

West would hardly dent the cap. Probably on a T-bone and a middy every week at the local. You always need a few players who cost FA so you have room to pay the big dogs. When they come.

 

[MrWoollie]

Agree with your delistings however would prefer to keep dixon (KPF cover and backup ruck) and move winder to the rookie list than very, very late picks in this draft.

Take 4 in the main draft and leave one spot for a sliding rookie or SSP.

I was hopeful at season start re Dixon, but it turns out that what he showed at Freo, he showed at WCE. If you're relying on a depth player to come in as a KPF when needed, you need to be sure he'll compete and kick a couple.
Dixon has shown that he might kick 3 or 4 in a game where we get thrashed, he's unmarked and the opposition don't give a toss about him because they're winning by so much, but when we really need him?
He was a nice try, fail effort. (When I say effort, I mean by the club, not the player... lack of effort seems to be recurring player issue)

If there's one guy on that list that I feel has been unlucky with both injury and getting limited opportunity while not injury fully recovered and of the type we can do with, it's Trew.

Happy with the Winder to rookie possibility.

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

West would hardly dent the cap. Probably on a T-bone and a middy every week at the local. You always need a few players who cost FA so you have room to pay the big dogs. When they come.

Works his arse off too, definitely need these battlers around the club. In my honest opinion, I still don't think he's hit his ceiling. Not saying he's going to be a club great, but he's already a handy contributor and hasn't really put a foot wrong.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Remember we also have to upgrade Jones off the rookie list as he has done 3 years .

So out sheppard, Kennedy, witherden , Nelson, winder , West * , naish * , dixon * , joyce * trew *, stradnica *,

After upgrading Jones and drafting culley mid season leaves us with 4 senior spots and 3 rookie spots

Downgrade langdon to the rookie list and we have 5 senior list spots + Jones and 2 rookies list spots

Having a high rookie draft spot gives us 2 good picks for speculative choices that will only have 1 year contracts

Our list split was 37 on the senior list and 8 rookies with 38 the maximum for the senior list. So we have the ability to upgrade Jones and not downgrade Langdon.

That said, I would look at both Langdon and Luke Edwards as possible shuffling to the rookie list if we want to manage the 42 total differently.

 

[eagles rule]

Agree with your delistings however would prefer to keep dixon (KPF cover and backup ruck) and move winder to the rookie list than very, very late picks in this draft.

Take 4 in the main draft and leave one spot for a sliding rookie or SSP.

I had hoped that Winder could have been better by now but I’m struggling to see where he fits in ..


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[WCEswift]

Works his arse off too, definitely need these battlers around the club.

This every team needs the work horse/engine guys. someone has to role play so the big dogs can eat

 

[GossieHawks]

This every team needs the work horse/engine guys. someone has to role play so the big dogs can eat

Is he the Chad Fletcher/Rowan Jones of our next premiership midfield?

 

[ArdentEagle]

Dwayne Lamb delivers my eggs most weeks. (This is actually a true story - Not a AE weird pissed tangent)

 

[GossieHawks]

Straight swap Nelson for Zurhaar.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Straight swap Nelson for Zurhaar.

That side is pretty damn good.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Is he the Chad Fletcher/Rowan Jones of our next premiership midfield?

Fletcher was AA quality.

So no.

 

[GossieHawks]

Fletcher was AA quality.

So no.

Rowan Jones then? My point is you need workhorse types. Guys that make sacrifices for the A graders.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Rowan Jones then? My point is you need workhorse types. Guys that make sacrifices for the A graders.

I agree but apart from hard work, West has no stand out qualities.
Jones did all the grunt work but was also a brilliant mark for his size.

I think the workhorse guys still need one really good party trick.

 

[Farang83150]

I'm not convinced Witherden or West are on the way out.

Given our continual medical problems I'd definitely be keeping west on the books.

 

[jesterwester]

Despite the ranting and raving on here sometimes, we rarely make a huge mistake given whatever draft hand we hit the draft with.

Which is why Brander sticks out so much. A lot of clubs have a Brander every year.

I agree.

We haven’t drafted a top line midfielder in a while but given our hand and the choices we had at the time we’ve more often than not made the right call, with our first rounders especially.

IMO - We bought the brander he looked like becoming in his underage year. Would be pretty handy right now as a genuine swing man capable at both ends. Sometimes it doesn’t work out, it isn’t an exact science.

Bar Bailey, maybe Starcevich I am not sure who else would have been the better pick- thankfully we got Allen at 21 to balance it out.

Edit: around our pick I mean

 

[Bacchus]

I was hopeful at season start re Dixon, but it turns out that what he showed at Freo, he showed at WCE. If you're relying on a depth player to come in as a KPF when needed, you need to be sure he'll compete and kick a couple.
Dixon has shown that he might kick 3 or 4 in a game where we get thrashed, he's unmarked and the opposition don't give a toss about him because they're winning by so much, but when we really need him?
He was a nice try, fail effort. (When I say effort, I mean by the club, not the player... lack of effort seems to be recurring player issue)

If there's one guy on that list that I feel has been unlucky with both injury and getting limited opportunity while not injury fully recovered and of the type we can do with, it's Trew.

Happy with the Winder to rookie possibility.

Disagree with your description of Dixon. Very harsh. He has played a handful of games and I think has shown a fair bit when given the chance. Handy pinch hitter in the ruck, and a more viable backup kpf than Waterman.

I too would like to see Trew persevered with but I think he is more of long shot than Dixon because of his inability to get his body right.

Agree on Winder, the ability is there but can he get his head and body right?

 

[Godfather32]

Disagree with your description of Dixon. Very harsh. He has played a handful of games and I think has shown a fair bit when given the chance. Handy pinch hitter in the ruck, and a more viable backup kpf than Waterman.

I too would like to see Trew persevered with but I think he is more of long shot than Dixon because of his inability to get his body right.

Agree on Winder, the ability is there but can he get his head and body right?

Nah, Dixon is just a battler. Not AFL level imo, reminds me a bit of McInnes

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Handy pinch hitter in the ruck, and a more viable backup kpf than Waterman.

Can't agree with this.

Everything I've seen from Waterman at WAFL level suggests he's the superior key target option up front. 27 games for 69 goals and 178 marks (6.5 a game).

Dixon has played 35 games for 42 goals. 143 marks (4 a game).

They're basically the same age. Dixon was signed on the back of a few moments in a preseason game. Kind of a recent Everton tactic, and we nearly got relegated last season...

 

[Trav22]

Dixon has ready been told he won’t be around next year.

Didn’t rock up to training day after the Hipie club incident, Simmo is not a fan!!

 

[Truckosaurus]

That side is pretty damn good.

Too tall - not even our match committee would pick it.

 

[WCEswift]

Is he the Chad Fletcher/Rowan Jones of our next premiership midfield?

Dont see why he couldnt be

 

[ArdentEagle]

Too tall - not even our match committee would pick it.

 

[Goroyals22]

I was hopeful at season start re Dixon, but it turns out that what he showed at Freo, he showed at WCE. If you're relying on a depth player to come in as a KPF when needed, you need to be sure he'll compete and kick a couple.
Dixon has shown that he might kick 3 or 4 in a game where we get thrashed, he's unmarked and the opposition don't give a toss about him because they're winning by so much, but when we really need him?
He was a nice try, fail effort. (When I say effort, I mean by the club, not the player... lack of effort seems to be recurring player issue)

If there's one guy on that list that I feel has been unlucky with both injury and getting limited opportunity while not injury fully recovered and of the type we can do with, it's Trew.

Happy with the Winder to rookie possibility.

So Jake waterman then only taller, a year younger and with 60 odd less games to his name.

 

[mattyc75]

So waiting for Russel Gibbs (our locally based List Manager double hatting it like many in our club) to be making further statement on the list now that he has started with Hurn and now with JK's announcement.

I am expecting Hurn, Shuey and Redden to go around again.

In looking at total list numbers, we had, prior to any delisting/retirements, a total of 45 players. This excludes Sheppard.

I am expecting 7 more as I am expecting at least 6 new players to be on our list come 2023. We are obliged to have at least 3 picks in the ND and we currently have 4 picks inside 40.

Who? Our additional candidates will come from the following:

1. Nelson I believe is back to Melbourne and I am not expecting anything decent by way of FA compo.
2. Joyce surely has to go - even our S&C team must be able to pick up that his body is not built for the rigors of AFL
3. West - with Clark, we do not need a WAFL quality midfielder.
4. Trew - he showed something in 1 game but is probably on the chopping block. Keeping both Redden and Shuey for another year works against him
5. Winder - another our S&C team have not really helped with our MC also not giving him a sustained run
6. Naish - started well but lost momentum and MC confidence after 1 month
7. Witherden - Hurn going again means we probably do not need or rate him. Maybe keep if Nelson goes
8. Dixon - looks to only be fringe and I would rather free up a spot for a mature ruck. Some will say we need cover with JK going but that leaves an opportunity for Waterman to play the role alongside Allen and Jack with a Bailey or Callum job sharing with NicNat

Contract for 2023 and beyond but players I would be OK trading:

1. Rotham - not a fan and probably never will be
2. Gaff - the Sheed or Gaff question comes to mind. I do not want either as balanced or inside mids and we cannot afford both these plodders IF our new game style includes pace. It would allow us to fix up our salary cap
3. Petruccelle - his hammies worry me and I get concerned that he is not a 2 way runner

Not sure we can do it but I would consider paying out Langdon. Simple reason - he never was AFL standard.

With JK as the only retirement, we will go into next season with 9 players turning 30 or over during 2023.

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We should lose shuey before winder or trew if we are rebuilding

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[ArdentEagle]

So Jake waterman then only taller, a year younger and with 60 odd less games to his name.