Cousins suspended indefinitely - according to SEN

[m0nty]

Gooding said on SEN it was an AFL test, not a club one.

 

[Embers]

The best thing to come out of all of this is some clarification of the drug laws ...and how unwieldy they are

6pr keep banging on about 3rd strike hes gone blah blah...now unless they knew the test was an AFL one then they are incorrect...the only test I heard of was a club sanctioned test, and as a club sanctioned test it is not subject to AFL scrutiny

It also opens up the idea that for the sake of the player he should not be tested by the AFL ( my opinion) until 8 weeks before he is due to return..ie the club says his return will be 8 weeks from this date and the AFL test him and clear him

Was suspended for being involved in a fight with Embley and Chick. Nothing to do with drugs atm

 

[NikkiNoo]

Just hypothetically, if he had tested positive once already, was tested on Monday and the Eagles figure that's going to be 2 strikes, by suspending him indefinitely from training, does he become inaccessible to the testers? Can the Eagles claim he's "gone to ground" and not know of his whereabouts, thereby preventing a (possible) third strike?


Also is this now considered "in season" and what are the penalties?

FF - another question I have is the following hypothetical

If a player is suspended by a club, therefore they are not training or playing but are still on their list as an 'active' player. They go to a drug rehab and as they are still on the list and can be tested. If they are then tested what of those substances that are assisting in the rehabilitation are on the banned substances list? What comes first? Player welfare i.e. medicial assistance / well being or banned substances?

 

[FuManchu]

Just hypothetically, if he had tested positive once already, was tested on Monday and the Eagles figure that's going to be 2 strikes, by suspending him indefinitely from training, does he become inaccessible to the testers? Can the Eagles claim he's "gone to ground" and not know of his whereabouts, thereby preventing a (possible) third strike?


Also is this now considered "in season" and what are the penalties?

If he is on their list he is liable to be tested at any time the governing body wants to. If he fails to heed the call to be tested then penalties will apply.

If he is on a bender he cant stop at this point in time, to save further sanctions, he is best to pull the pin asap and register again as a player at a later date. If the AFL will allow him. They can refuse a player registration

 

[duckboy]

Gooding said on SEN it was an AFL test, not a club one.

Exactly, was just about to post the same thing. Gooding quite clearly stated on SEN that Cousins was drug tested by Dorovitch Pathology, The AFL/ASDA testing contractor. He also stated that he believed the test was considered "In SEASON".

 

[FuManchu]

FF - another question I have is the following hypothetical

If a player is suspended by a club, therefore they are not training or playing but are still on their list as an 'active' player. They go to a drug rehab and as they are still on the list and can be tested. If they are then tested what of those substances that are assisting in the rehabilitation are on the banned substances list? What comes first? Player welfare i.e. medicial assistance / well being or banned substances?

Good question, if the Eagles place him on the injured list, which for all intents and purposes he may be deemed as such, then I think the Eagles can seek to have certain substances allowed for medical treatment. Such as the relief Lynch was allowed, after the fact.

But it certainly is a can of worms. Very interesting

 

[GoOsH1]

you provided a pretty good summary. sadly, on your last point, there is a lot that can't be posted, and some people on these threads are giving out accurate information if you can read between the lines. simple as that. the mods do a great job of keeping unsubstantiated stuff out of these threads, but sometimes it means that people who know stuff but can't substantiate are forced to withhold detail.

would you "give up" a source inside the club for the benefit of BF readers? didn't think so.

right but you have to admit he amount of crap that has been spouted on here in the last 24 hrs is pretty staggering. I like how several of the rumours actually directly contradict another rumour meaning at least one of them is total bullsh1t. but hey, lets just keep them coming, it's like a copy of woman's day atm.

as far as people not being able to say anything on here, well my PM box is always open, if anyone actually has anything I'd love to hear it. If they get it right at least they'd have confirmable bragging rights! haha. Yes I realise no one will send me a msg, but it's worth a try, haha

 

[Belgian_Tiger_Army]

FF - another question I have is the following hypothetical

If a player is suspended by a club, therefore they are not training or playing but are still on their list as an 'active' player. They go to a drug rehab and as they are still on the list and can be tested. If they are then tested what of those substances that are assisting in the rehabilitation are on the banned substances list? What comes first? Player welfare i.e. medicial assistance / well being or banned substances?

You'd think the AFL with it's player welfare hat on would first and foremost be concerned with the players rehab, and allow them to take whatever medications they required in order to have a successful rehab. That said, testing is done by the commonwealth drug testing body on behalf of the AFL within a set of global rules, slightly compromised by AFL. Hence the AFL may not get a say in terms of what player gets tested, and when/if they could be tested in rehab.

I've actually done a quick search for the AFL drug testing rules - and haven't found them. Be an interesting read in terms of whats/whens/hows.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

He may have been; The club/AFL only get informed if a third positive occurs.

and if u are an 'addict' i think the three times would of well and truly happend

everything is speculative atmo

 

[m0nty]

Was suspended for being involved in a fight with Embley and Chick. Nothing to do with drugs atm

Yeah right, and your auntie's a unicorn.

 

[bunsen burner]

Was suspended for being involved in a fight with Embley and Chick. Nothing to do with drugs atm

You're embarassing. You know FA and you keep trying to pass off that you do. Stop making stuff up. Clearly you know nothing.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I've actually done a quick search for the AFL drug testing rules - and haven't found them. Be an interesting read in terms of whats/whens/hows.

I found this post from another thread that has some handy references.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/r...701634085.html

AFL players are tested under two systems, ASDA and WADA. ASDA rules apply for out-of-competition (or non-match-day testing) and a player is given three strikes. On a third positive test he is publicly identified and faces suspension. [12 weeks as stated above]

Under the WADA in-competition or match-day testing a player is summarily suspended for two years for any positive test. [ 2nd offence is life time ban]
see
http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/code_v3.pdf
page 26 Sanctions.

If athlete can establish that the use of a specified substance was not intended to enhance sport performance then period of ineligibility is;

1st offence - Minimum is a warning and reprimand, maximum 1 year ban (eg Sam Riley headcold tablet)
2nd offence - 2 year ban
3rd offence -Lifetime ban

I asssume there is no remission period and the offences stand under the ASDA code (which from yesterday becomes the ASADA code). Haven't seen anywhere what happens if your caught a 4th time. Probably grounds to have contract terminated under misconduct clause in both standard contract and the CBA.

 

[FuManchu]

You're embarassing. You know FA and you keep trying to pass off that you do. Stop making stuff up. Clearly you know nothing.

Yeah, and tell him to stop picking fights with Chicks

 

[carntheroos4eva]

You're embarassing. You know FA and you keep trying to pass off that you do. Stop making stuff up. Clearly you know nothing.

So are you at the best of times.

 

[Biggie]

Don't be silly - The Eagles will not Suspend Cousins or anyone else in there top 30.... He will be back ASAP unless he is in Jail or Dead. So poor rookie will miss a session soon and he will be the poor guy that is dealt with so the Eagles can pretend that they aren't soft on offenders.

OI.

Wake up to yaself bud.

 

[ToO]

If indeed he has got a meth addicition as has been alluded to he won't be playing again anytime soon.

 

[carntheroos4eva]

We don't know what drug it is that is causing him trouble.

 

[Belgian_Tiger_Army]

and if u are an 'addict' i think the three times would of well and truly happend

everything is speculative atmo

While I agree with the later comment, the first comment is naieve in the extreme. Go do a google for drug testing. My memory says there is a site called "testclear". Assuming testing is supervised, some products aren't usable (namely the powdered urine), but there are other products which can make you test clear - as long as you have an hours notice. I'd imagine with the right contacts you'd have an hours notice.

This doesn't even take into account that the half life for most of the drugs being listed is in the region of 8 hours (check out drug testing on erowid.org), and hence natually disappears from your body within 3 days - and 24 hours with the right assistance.

I'll repeat my assertation - if you test positive to the recreational drugs implied in this thread in routine AFL testing - you are either dreadfully unlucky, a fool or an addict.

 

[thegrach]

Was suspended for being involved in a fight with Embley and Chick. Nothing to do with drugs atm

 

[dont bowl there]

If you test positive to the recreational drugs implied in this thread in routine AFL testing - you are either dreadfully unlucky, a fool or an addict.

1st positive test = unlucky
2nd positive test = fool
3rd positive test= addict

 

[stui magpie]

While I agree with the later comment, the first comment is naieve in the extreme. Go do a google for drug testing. My memory says there is a site called "testclear". Assuming testing is supervised, some products aren't usable (namely the powdered urine), but there are other products which can make you test clear - as long as you have an hours notice. I'd imagine with the right contacts you'd have an hours notice.

This doesn't even take into account that the half life for most of the drugs being listed is in the region of 8 hours (check out drug testing on erowid.org), and hence natually disappears from your body within 3 days - and 24 hours with the right assistance.

I'll repeat my assertation - if you test positive to the recreational drugs implied in this thread in routine AFL testing - you are either dreadfully unlucky, a fool or an addict.

My understanding is that meth amphetimes take at least 3 days to clear from the system naturally and that anything used to either speed that process or to mask it's presence from the test is also picked up in the testing.

If Cousins went on a bender Saturday night as has been alleged and was tested on Monday, he's up that well known creek without a paddle.

The thing is, because it's classed as an out of competition test, the result won't be made public unless it's his third time. Since he wasn't one of the 3 named on this board last year that the AFL went to court to supress their names, then if this is his third strike, the other 2 must have come up fairly recently.

 

[Cameron_K]

Let me just say my respect for Embley has increased ten fold.

 

[AnnieH]

I think it's good that the club are seen to be finally taking a stand against their prima donna senior players. I'm pretty sure there are budgie fans out there that don't like the behaviour of their senior players and the adverse reaction that behaviour warrants from the other clubs/fans.

Now, if all the other clubs (ours included) will only take the same stance. Like Theo Andrew said, out of 640 players, 620 toe the line - why tarnish them with the same brush.

As for Cousins .... prediction .... we'll never see him again.

 

[FuManchu]

Let me just say my respect for Embley has increased ten fold.

But it's still negligible, right?

 

[carntheroos4eva]

Funny to see so many people hanging **** on west coast.