Cripps
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I voted Judd when this thread was started mid-2022.
Since then Cripps has won 2 Brownlow medals and taken us back to finals. If the same poll was made today, I'd have to go for Cripps. His improvement as a player and leader as he nears 30 has been incredible.
Since then Cripps has won 2 Brownlow medals and taken us back to finals. If the same poll was made today, I'd have to go for Cripps. His improvement as a player and leader as he nears 30 has been incredible.
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Yep, for me Juddy clearly a better player at his peak, but Crippa has put the club on his back and made us relevant again….with a little bit of help.
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Judd was a stepping stone. He improved the players professionalism. Maybe even setting examples for Cripps. But Cripps leaves no stone unturned re leadership or game day improvements.
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Absolutely he improved the professionalism of the players and improved the culture of the club. Crippa is setting the example all good leaders do. He hired the running coach to help him out one year, and other players are doing the same.
He, Cripps, has set the required level and the others want to get closer to it than ever.
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It allows multiple selections so I've changed ged it to both.
At Carlton: clearly Cripps now. Taken us to back to finals, taken us to a prelim, dual brownlows at the club.
Career: Judd still leads, having a ridiculously high peak and having won a premiership. I think even if Cripps wins a flag with us, I'd have Judd's career slightly ahead. Win 2 flags and Cripps wins!
Career: Judd still leads, having a ridiculously high peak and having won a premiership. I think even if Cripps wins a flag with us, I'd have Judd's career slightly ahead. Win 2 flags and Cripps wins!
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Judd the more dominant player, Cripps the better leader and Carlton player.
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Its no slight on Crippa either, Judd's best is just out of this world. Was like watching a video game character with all stats pumped to max vs a bunch of low level characters sometimes. As Commetti once said, its "supernatural".
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Judd isn't in the conversation for Greatest Blue. Cripps might be when all is said and done.
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I may be wrong but I feel Judd was always about Judd yet Crippa has always been about Carlton
he bleeds Blue and we are very lucky to have him
We owe him a flag
he bleeds Blue and we are very lucky to have him
We owe him a flag
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WCE Judd was one of the greatest players of the modern era, combination of a mixture of exceptional qualities including footy IQ and blistering speed, generational player who could tear and break open a game apart, clearly a superstar…
CARL Judd become more of an inside/outside midfielder because of his loss of his explosive speed he unfortunately lost towards the end of his WCE career, he had to change his style…
Played some incredible footy for us and became a benchmark in professionalism and standards across levels in preparation and training of the list, which no doubt helped developed across all levels of our list during his tenure at the club…
Crippa, the country lad from WA who’s strength as a tall inside midfielder who’s natural talent and ability was to win the footy which set him apart, his vision and hands to extract and dish out the ball with precision handball to teammates was incredibly creative, it was a huge influence on our overall contested game…
Starting off his career as a inside midfielder with a few limitations on other areas of his game, he looked destined to be an outstanding inside clearance specialist with outstanding leadership qualities…
Main areas or limitations on his game was a combination of obvious concerns with his overall lack of pace, ability of his standard of field kicking, and ability to hit the scoreboard, endurance in covering the ground, more impactful defensively and offensively, over his career he actually improved all areas from a more exceptional standard, to some in knocking it out off the park…
To many of us who’ve watched him across his entire career, to develop his skills and once limitations into the the player he has become today, a champion player and leader not only of the Carlton football club, but one of the games greatest current players ever…
If ever a player deserved a premiership, top of the list…
Watching Crippa hold the cup up, I think id be in tears still at 56 years of age this year, him and all up on the podium…
CARL Judd become more of an inside/outside midfielder because of his loss of his explosive speed he unfortunately lost towards the end of his WCE career, he had to change his style…
Played some incredible footy for us and became a benchmark in professionalism and standards across levels in preparation and training of the list, which no doubt helped developed across all levels of our list during his tenure at the club…
Crippa, the country lad from WA who’s strength as a tall inside midfielder who’s natural talent and ability was to win the footy which set him apart, his vision and hands to extract and dish out the ball with precision handball to teammates was incredibly creative, it was a huge influence on our overall contested game…
Starting off his career as a inside midfielder with a few limitations on other areas of his game, he looked destined to be an outstanding inside clearance specialist with outstanding leadership qualities…
Main areas or limitations on his game was a combination of obvious concerns with his overall lack of pace, ability of his standard of field kicking, and ability to hit the scoreboard, endurance in covering the ground, more impactful defensively and offensively, over his career he actually improved all areas from a more exceptional standard, to some in knocking it out off the park…
To many of us who’ve watched him across his entire career, to develop his skills and once limitations into the the player he has become today, a champion player and leader not only of the Carlton football club, but one of the games greatest current players ever…
If ever a player deserved a premiership, top of the list…
Watching Crippa hold the cup up, I think id be in tears still at 56 years of age this year, him and all up on the podium…
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It's incredible to think that if we didn't suck in 2018 & 2019 Cripps could well be a 4 time Brownlow medallist.
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Yes. Over the next few seasons, with a couple of flags under the belt, Cripps will flex and block out the sun.
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I think Cripps is probably 3 or 4 seasons away from finishing up.
At the same point in his career Judd was considered one of the all time greats.
What happens over the next 3/4 seasons will decide it.
If Crippa lifts a cup as Carlton captain after all the work he has done it will be a brave call to give Judd the chocolates.
What has impressed me so much about Crippa is he has developed such mental fortitude and belief in his own game and abilities in the face of crushing defeat and disappointment.
Judd started his career in a very solid team where success was established and the wave of confidence helped propel him to greatness.
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At the same point in his career Judd was considered one of the all time greats.
What happens over the next 3/4 seasons will decide it.
If Crippa lifts a cup as Carlton captain after all the work he has done it will be a brave call to give Judd the chocolates.
What has impressed me so much about Crippa is he has developed such mental fortitude and belief in his own game and abilities in the face of crushing defeat and disappointment.
Judd started his career in a very solid team where success was established and the wave of confidence helped propel him to greatness.
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I do not like being asked to make a choice between two great players.
As a player, referencing his early years, Judd had no peer. In his early years at West Coast, he was virtually untouchable. He was too bloody good. The most talented (ground level) player there has been. I cringed at the thought of him playing against our (then) under performing side. I have never seen better.
All of my Christmasses came at once when he decided to come to Carlton after the most fascinating recruiting campaign I have witnessed. Unfortunately, we did not get the supreme athlete from the Eagles. Juddy was compromised, injuries had dulled that spectacular athleticism, we recruited a different version of the player.
However Judd 2.0 was also a great player. He went from untouchable to irrepressible. A combination of raw ability and sheer will made him a great in his “second coming”. He led by example, he was not a natural leader of men, he was simply the best player with personal work ethic and preparation which became essential for him to maintain his standards.
Retired a Carlton great in an era that was not great for Carlton. Should not be remembered as a great captain, but certainly led by his deeds and aura. While it would be disrespectful to describe him as an “individual”, I for one don’t remember Chris Judd as a leader.
Patrick Cripps just grows year on year. 2024 was his best to date. We saw a metamorphosis of sorts. Aging players, particularly inside bulls, get slower as they get older. Not Crippa, his athleticism continues to improve (injuries aside) year in year.. My respect grows and grows.
For me Crippa has been guilty of trying to do too much through the middle part of his career. Always out if a drive for success, wanting to lift his team. I found myself yelling at the TV too often, wanting to take the option to move the ball on to a team mate, as opposed to trying to do it himself.
Early Cripps was a revelation as the extractor. His hands and vision in congestion are unique. A bloke that size with the skill set was next to unstoppable before the competition condoned three opponents hanging off him at every ball up or throw in. I felt for a while he was less effective as he attempted to break the “tag” by getting mobile at stoppages. This upset the dynamic of our stoppage unit in my opinion. In 2024 Crippa found a new explosiveness. No longer was/is he the bloke trying to plough his was through. He has developed genuine pace off the mark and is equally as adept as first receiver as he is as pure extractor. The bloke grows season on season.
The leader has been an interesting watch. Early, I felt he was a contrived leader. Speaking in cliches and not overly fluent in conveying thoughts. His communication skills did not come naturally, but learn them he did. Now bordering on a great orator, Crippa breaks the mould for mine.
As an old traditionalist, I have not been enamoured by “modern leadership”. Players schooled in media and indeed in leadership techniques leave me cold as a rule. I have always held the belief that leadership is a trait that cannot be learned at a high level. Patrick Cripps defies my long held belief. He has always had the instincts and intent, but has become so very effective in recent times. He has sought out avenues to grow himself as a player and a person. He has taken natural innate traits in his make up and learned to harness and share them in a monumentally impressive way.
I used to lament Crippa not knowing his limitations. In fact Crippa has now gained self awareness, learned to trust those around him, and instead of working within limitations, he single mindedly works to remove those limitations. He has gone from plodder to athlete, his kicking is now quality, bordering on elite. A year or two ago he was hit and Miss in front of goal, now I have a confidence in him and want the ball in his hand in or around “the arc”.
Cripps is a very rare individual who has innate qualities, but has embraced personal development opportunities and life lessons to elevate to an exalted level. The bloke deserves every success. I want to believe his dedication has rubbed off on his team mates and they have all learned to embrace the team ethos that can/will bring us 17 and beyond.
As a player, referencing his early years, Judd had no peer. In his early years at West Coast, he was virtually untouchable. He was too bloody good. The most talented (ground level) player there has been. I cringed at the thought of him playing against our (then) under performing side. I have never seen better.
All of my Christmasses came at once when he decided to come to Carlton after the most fascinating recruiting campaign I have witnessed. Unfortunately, we did not get the supreme athlete from the Eagles. Juddy was compromised, injuries had dulled that spectacular athleticism, we recruited a different version of the player.
However Judd 2.0 was also a great player. He went from untouchable to irrepressible. A combination of raw ability and sheer will made him a great in his “second coming”. He led by example, he was not a natural leader of men, he was simply the best player with personal work ethic and preparation which became essential for him to maintain his standards.
Retired a Carlton great in an era that was not great for Carlton. Should not be remembered as a great captain, but certainly led by his deeds and aura. While it would be disrespectful to describe him as an “individual”, I for one don’t remember Chris Judd as a leader.
Patrick Cripps just grows year on year. 2024 was his best to date. We saw a metamorphosis of sorts. Aging players, particularly inside bulls, get slower as they get older. Not Crippa, his athleticism continues to improve (injuries aside) year in year.. My respect grows and grows.
For me Crippa has been guilty of trying to do too much through the middle part of his career. Always out if a drive for success, wanting to lift his team. I found myself yelling at the TV too often, wanting to take the option to move the ball on to a team mate, as opposed to trying to do it himself.
Early Cripps was a revelation as the extractor. His hands and vision in congestion are unique. A bloke that size with the skill set was next to unstoppable before the competition condoned three opponents hanging off him at every ball up or throw in. I felt for a while he was less effective as he attempted to break the “tag” by getting mobile at stoppages. This upset the dynamic of our stoppage unit in my opinion. In 2024 Crippa found a new explosiveness. No longer was/is he the bloke trying to plough his was through. He has developed genuine pace off the mark and is equally as adept as first receiver as he is as pure extractor. The bloke grows season on season.
The leader has been an interesting watch. Early, I felt he was a contrived leader. Speaking in cliches and not overly fluent in conveying thoughts. His communication skills did not come naturally, but learn them he did. Now bordering on a great orator, Crippa breaks the mould for mine.
As an old traditionalist, I have not been enamoured by “modern leadership”. Players schooled in media and indeed in leadership techniques leave me cold as a rule. I have always held the belief that leadership is a trait that cannot be learned at a high level. Patrick Cripps defies my long held belief. He has always had the instincts and intent, but has become so very effective in recent times. He has sought out avenues to grow himself as a player and a person. He has taken natural innate traits in his make up and learned to harness and share them in a monumentally impressive way.
I used to lament Crippa not knowing his limitations. In fact Crippa has now gained self awareness, learned to trust those around him, and instead of working within limitations, he single mindedly works to remove those limitations. He has gone from plodder to athlete, his kicking is now quality, bordering on elite. A year or two ago he was hit and Miss in front of goal, now I have a confidence in him and want the ball in his hand in or around “the arc”.
Cripps is a very rare individual who has innate qualities, but has embraced personal development opportunities and life lessons to elevate to an exalted level. The bloke deserves every success. I want to believe his dedication has rubbed off on his team mates and they have all learned to embrace the team ethos that can/will bring us 17 and beyond.
Great post, sums it up nicely…….. but who’s the best dammitt???????
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