News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Sin City]

There's no doubt that we've lost a LOT of experience - 1300 games so far. There's also little doubt that Adelaide have recruited well in the last few years and have an exciting group of youngsters looking to build something together in the very near future.

I don't think you have anywhere near enough sorry. Well off for talls definitely, but a long way off in other areas of the ground.

 

[Blue and Silver]

That said, there's no chance Carlton will be getting pick #14 unless it's part of a larger deal which sees pick #18 headed back our way. Adelaide will NOT be trading out of the first round in this draft.

What do you think of the following:

Jacobs + Pick 34 > Adelaide
Pick 14 + Pick 49 > Carlton

It will give you two second rounders, your compensation pick plus Jacobs. Your list turnover means you will probably use all those picks and some into fourth round. Personally I think this draft is strong given the removal of the 17 year olds and all the first round GC picks. The mid-band should produce some quality.

 

[Faz 2000]

You've lost McLeod, Goodwin, Edwards, Burton, Bock and will lose Griffin. Time to wake up and start filling your deficiencies.

So they need more 34yo 300+ gamers?

 

[Vader]

it has already been stated by our club that pick 14 this year is pick 28 every other year... so pick 28 this year is pick 42 every other year, and the club would feel seriously ripped off... it is how it is... the chances of us snaring a quality player with pick 28 (which is what you are getting with Jacobs) is as low as it's ever been and therefore the club would have no hesitation rejecting it...

Exaggerating much?

GC took 12 17yo kids out of the draft. Only 3 of those were top 10 candidates (Toy, Keath and Matera) - and one of them (Keath) has chosen cricket over footy anyway, so the top 10 is 2 draft picks weaker than usual.

The quality in this years draft is just as good as most years, it would be exceptional if the 17yo kids were reinstated. It's certainly far stronger than the 2009 draft, which lost 1/3 of the draft class when the AFL changed the age eligibility rules - a draft which still saw Mumford traded for pick 28 and Jolly traded for pick 14.

It's also worth noting that the Bock compensation pick has a 5-year life expectancy. If you hold onto it until 2012-2014 then it will may be worth as much as pick #19 (depending on priority picks and other teams using compensation picks as well).

The Bock compensation pick is right on the money as far as Jacobs' value. I would be more than moderately surprised if it weren't a straight swap.

 

[coryne]

Which was my point - Richmond won't bother negotiating for a trade if it looks like they can use the PSD to benefit from a breakdown in negotiations with other clubs.

Also, $1mill over 3 years - $333,333 a year if split evenly - isn't exactly a titanic amount of money, considering the average wage in 2009 for an AFL player who played a minimum of one game was $241,436

Yet it's as much, if not MORE than what Salopek would be on

PORT Adelaide midfielder Steven Salopek has committed to the club for a further three years under a deal worth almost $1 million.

There is no way Port would trade Salopek for less than a 1st rd pick, so I don't know why you think a younger ruckman on the same $$$ wouldn't be worth one too ...............

 

[Vader]

I don't think you have anywhere near enough sorry. Well off for talls definitely, but a long way off in other areas of the ground.

There's no doubt that we have some deficiencies - and we're looking at trading to fill some of those holes. Jacobs will improve our ruck division. Walker will give us another quick outside mid. We probably need a quality inside mid and a small forward, finding these (I expect the mid to arrive via pick #14) would go a long way towards fixing our problems.

What we have is an abundance of players at 190cm+, including 5 ruckmen (3 undersized) - and that doesn't include Griffin who is almost certainly gone.

What do you think of the following:

Jacobs + Pick 34 > Adelaide
Pick 14 + Pick 49 > Carlton

It will give you two second rounders, your compensation pick plus Jacobs. Your list turnover means you will probably use all those picks and some into fourth round. Personally I think this draft is strong given the removal of the 17 year olds and all the first round GC picks. The mid-band should produce some quality.

Not interested in trading out of the first round, so no deal. As I have said repeatedly, pick 14 won't be involved unless we receive pick 18 in return as part of a broader package of picks & players.

Depending on what happens during trade week we're probably only going to be drafting 3 or 4 players this year.

Goodwin & Edwards were both on the veterans list, with Doughty being the only eligible replacement - so there's one position we can't fill via the ND. We have already elevated Henderson from the rookie list, with decisions on Thompson, Schmidt and Jaensch waiting on the outcome of trade week.

 

[Sin City]

So they need more 34yo 300+ gamers?

Experience, leadership and skill.

 

[footy4ever]

Is walker injury prone?

Played 6 & 7 games in 08 & 09 after virtually full seasons since 04, and missed 6 games this season. What's going on there? Any theories?

 

[Malifice]

Ok don't shoot me over this but ....

Adelaide: Pick #14 + Talia

Carlton: Jacobs + Walker + #18

Would we at least consider that?

Id do it.

 

[Vader]

Experience, leadership and skill.

Definitely lacking in experience, losing 1300 games so far (including 3x 250+ gamers). This leaves us with just 7 players with 100+ games, 15 with 50+ and 18 with 30+. The recruitment of Walker would help in this regard, Jacobs would not.

Leadership remains to be seen and I'm hoping the club will spend more time on skills this pre-season and less time running the players into the ground (contributing significantly to our obscene injury list).

 

[Blue and Silver]

Is walker injury prone?

Played 6 & 7 games in 08 & 09 after virtually full seasons since 04, and missed 6 games this season. What's going on there? Any theories?

Shoulder injuries which have been surgically fixed last year, broke his collarbone earlier this year tackling Max Rooke

 

[Sin City]

There's no doubt that we have some deficiencies - and we're looking at trading to fill some of those holes. Jacobs will improve our ruck division. Walker will give us another quick outside mid. We probably need a quality inside mid and a small forward, finding these (I expect the mid to arrive via pick #14) would go a long way towards fixing our problems.

Sorry but it sounds like you're in denial. It is actually hard to fix deficiencies on your list, not easy. You won't get Jacobs and Walker while keeping your first round pick and you won't fix all the holes on your list just by using the draft. You do actually have to pay overs to fix weaknesses sometimes.

 

[Vader]

Sorry but it sounds like you're in denial. It is actually hard to fix deficiencies on your list, not easy. You won't get Jacobs and Walker while keeping your first round pick and you won't fix all the holes on your list just by using the draft. You do actually have to pay overs to fix weaknesses sometimes.

Collingwood paid overs for Wood, because they realised they had a weakness and thought (incorrectly) that he might be a solution. They also thought (correctly) that the team was well on the way to being a premiership contender, which made things a bit more urgent.

I doubt that Adelaide have any such delusions of grandeur - and hence there is less urgency. We won't be a premiership threat until we get a decent core of players in the 100+ game band, which is probably 2-3 years away from happening.

Besides which, we're not going to pay "overs" for a player who is out of contract and has specifically asked Carlton to arrange a trade to Adelaide. We'll pay a fair price, but we're not paying overs.

 

[footy4ever]

Id do it.

Don't know that I would if I was with Carlton.

Not that much diff between pick 14 and 18 and I doubt Talia will be worth both Walker and Jacobs...even though I've seen very little of the three.

Shoulder injuries which have been surgically fixed last year, broke his collarbone earlier this year tackling Max Rooke

Thanks for that. Sounds a bit battle weary already though. My observation with 'fixed' shoulders is that they are never really fixed...collarbones can stay iffy as well.

Jacobs on the other hand looks like he could eat a tractor.

 

[Sin City]

Collingwood paid overs for Wood, because they realised they had a weakness and thought (incorrectly) that he might be a solution. They also thought (correctly) that the team was well on the way to being a premiership contender, which made things a bit more urgent.

I doubt that Adelaide have any such delusions of grandeur - and hence there is less urgency. We won't be a premiership threat until we get a decent core of players in the 100+ game band, which is probably 2-3 years away from happening.

Besides which, we're not going to pay "overs" for a player who is out of contract and has specifically asked Carlton to arrange a trade to Adelaide. We'll pay a fair price, but we're not paying overs.

Collingwood also paid overs for Jolly and paid too much money for Ball because they needed to fix their deficiencies in order to have the team they wanted.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Collingwood paid overs for Wood, because they realised they had a weakness and thought (incorrectly) that he might be a solution. They also thought (correctly) that the team was well on the way to being a premiership contender, which made things a bit more urgent.

I doubt that Adelaide have any such delusions of grandeur - and hence there is less urgency. We won't be a premiership threat until we get a decent core of players in the 100+ game band, which is probably 2-3 years away from happening.

Besides which, we're not going to pay "overs" for a player who is out of contract and has specifically asked Carlton to arrange a trade to Adelaide. We'll pay a fair price, but we're not paying overs.

I've said it before - and I will say it again for good measure:

Who will you trade to us who will play 150 games in a KP?

That's what you want from us in Jacobs. Evidence - a $1m deal.

So who or what is it?

It's not Sellar.

It's probably not a second rounder.

It may be pick 14 (at least it's in our hands then).

It may be Talia or McKernan.

It would definitely be "the untouchables".

If you can answer the question - you will go a long way to finding the answer to this deal.

 

[King Elvis]

I actually like your club (starting to hate the supporters though) but you have to realise the days of being happy with your list are over. This year you slid nearly as bad as Brisbane and that's been followed by losing 5 of your greatest ever players and your ruckman. The days of thinking you have a list full of untouchables are over, the club knows it can't afford to become as irrelevant as Port and will have to address it's deficiencies.

First post you made on this subject (hence quoting it), but the rest of the ones you've made aren't that far off the mark.

Goodwin and Bock were the two huge losses for us this year - Macca was up and down, Edwards was past it, Burton shouldn't have been retained, Griff is alright, but he's not a star.

Bock didn't play much this year anyway, and Davis started to look alright; Goodwin was great until we lost him to injury, Knights hardly got on the park and was never fit, Otten obviously missed every game due to his knee, Vince injured (and chubby) and Porps injured and unfit.

We had a shocking year; basically anything that could go wrong, did go wrong.

We wont push for top 4 next year, but I'd expect us to be back in the 8 - after that, it just depends on whether guys like Dangerfield and Sloane come on how we expect/hope they will.

 

[parrot]

Collingwood paid overs for Wood, because they realised they had a weakness and thought (incorrectly) that he might be a solution. They also thought (correctly) that the team was well on the way to being a premiership contender, which made things a bit more urgent.

I doubt that Adelaide have any such delusions of grandeur - and hence there is less urgency. We won't be a premiership threat until we get a decent core of players in the 100+ game band, which is probably 2-3 years away from happening.

Besides which, we're not going to pay "overs" for a player who is out of contract and has specifically asked Carlton to arrange a trade to Adelaide. We'll pay a fair price, but we're not paying overs.

The reality of the situation now is that you won't be getting Jacobs without handing over pick 14. I suspect the crows will blink, but if they don't we'll just start trade negotiations with other clubs. There's no shortage of other interested clubs BTW. Good luck trying to find a ready-made 22yo #1 ruck with your compo pick. Perhaps Josh Fraser or Cam Cloke?

 

[James23]

Delusional if you think we'll be trading Jacobs for pick 14. It simply will not happen on a straight trade.

 

[King Elvis]

He's a troll mate.

 

[CrowHop]

I've said it before - and I will say it again for good measure:

Who will you trade to us who will play 150 games in a KP?

<snip>

It may be Talia or McKernan.

<snip>

If you can answer the question - you will go a long way to finding the answer to this deal.

Talia or Mckernan for me. I'm out on my own with this one when it comes to Crow supporters opinions, but trading any of these guys wont hurt us in the immediate future due to us having a good stockpile of KPP's.

I'm sure Carlton would look seriously at this aswell due to their list needs (immediate and future).

Draft picks may need to be thrown in somewhere, but surely a straight player/player swap would at least be close to the mark ?

 

[Salaryman]

Parrot's probably right. Bock compo won't get it done....Sellar who was the about the 6th best tall in the SANFL semi behind esteemed names like Grima, Kirkby, Grocke and Hentschel won't get it done.....packaging Bock compo with the 6th best tall in the SANFL semi won't even come close...apparently your talls are all untouchable.....14 is looking about all you have to offer.

Edit: forgot to add the 17yo Tape was better than Sellar too

 

[NAUGHT5]

Delusional if you think we'll be trading Jacobs for pick 14. It simply will not happen on a straight trade.

Agreed.

Still hoping we'll somehow get it.

It's unlikely though at this stage as Adelaide have pretty categorically said they wont be trading out of the 1st round.

If we give 18, well we're really not that much closer to a trade solution.

 

[Sin City]

Thank god for CrowHop and Wall-e

 

[parrot]

Delusional if you think we'll be trading Jacobs for pick 14. It simply will not happen on a straight trade.

Well the trade won't happen them. It doesn't matter what you or I think or want. That's the situation with this trade. The crows will have a chance to think about it over the weekend. We'll no doubt be exploring other fallback trade options with other clubs in the meantime. It's no big deal really.

Anyway, perhaps Jacob's is just beyond your budget? Perhaps you don't need a ruck that good. There'll be plenty of other cheaper rucks that might suit you club better. For example, you might be able to get Josh Fraser with that "compo pick". You can then spend time developing Sellar over the next few years to take over that #1 ruck role.