News Crows Press Conference - The Fallout Continues *now with poll*

[Allefgib]

Perhaps just an honest reflection of how she feels. Expressed without deep thought and analysis on how it might go down.

 

[SaltPeter]

Maybe he cleans at the Alma?

 

[feenix67]

Doesn't really matter whether it's personal opinion or something broader, she's inviting comment by putting in the public domain. It's at the core of how social media works.


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I'm happy to give her a pass. If you want to have a crack at someone who's most likely still grieving the loss of her husband and son in such tragic circumstances, go your hardest.

 

[ftmch]

I'm happy to give her a pass. If you want to have a crack at someone who's most likely still grieving the loss of her husband and son in such tragic circumstances, go your hardest.

I'm not saying I want to, nor have I.

But it would be naive of her (and it is of you) to think that by posting a provocative comment like that on social media (regardless of how justified or not it may be), she's not going to elicit feedback and comment, positive and negative.

Social media and the internet doesn't do 'latitude'.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sorry I thought you were ignoring me. OK some players didn't like it, how is that even a story.
"Club tries mind strengthening group, Sloane, Walker, Betts, Lynch, Jacobs and others thought it was great, some hated it, club decides after 6 months to not continue."
Have you ever been on a board? I promise you mate this is not even unusual let alone a story. The only issue here is that you are believing the tripe from the media, who obviously hate this footy club, over your own players.
Just a suggestion, try believing what makes sense rather than what makes headlines.

I can assure you neither Betts nor Jacobs thought the mind camp was great & both had issues with it, which has since been addressed for them.

Whilst some players like Sloane felt they got positive things from the camp, Don Pyke was categorical when he said it was a fail when asked by the media on Saturday. It was also mentioned that taking CM to the next level hadn't been a success & hence the club has cut ties.

So the question needs to be asked what checks were put in place before this training camp, given a club like Brisbane didn't allow it when proposed at their club. Ie. Why are we using unqualified people when we should be using qualified people for delicate mind training? I don't have an issue with mental conditioning, but needs to be conducted by specialists.

It's the poor decision making by the football department & lack of checks through to board level which have me very concerned about the management of my club.

Also, if you watch a replay of the presser, you will realise that Burton is completely out of his depth as a senior manager as doesn't have the necessary skill set. This is alarming that he even got appointed as would have failed any proper interview process.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

BTW I thought you had said it was Burton who had a press conference.

Burton & Pyke jointly held the presser.

You really should watch it before making any further comment in this thread.

There is a link on the top of page 30 & skip to the 8 minute mark.

 

[feenix67]

I'm not saying I want to, nor have I.

But it would be naive of her (and it is of you) to think that by posting a provocative comment like that on social media (regardless of how justified or not it may be), she's not going to elicit feedback and comment, positive and negative.

Social media and the internet doesn't do 'latitude'.

I'm saying "we" can. As in this board.

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

Doesn't really matter whether it's personal opinion or something broader, she's inviting comment by putting in the public domain. It's at the core of how social media works.

People of a certain generation can be less than social-media savvy. My mum uses facebook and the like and is blissfully unaware of who can see her posts and why, despite years of her children attempting to educate her.

Critics should cut Phil's wife a break. Acknowledge her point of view and jog on.

 

[Kenneth Tron]

Works for 2 board members and is trying to convince a third board member to work for him... when you consider who is on the board and their professions, you realise pretty quickly this is impossible. Unless Hodgy is Andrew Fagan and he's trying to convince Roo to take over Burton's role.

Pretty easy to work out actually


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[relapse]

I can assure you neither Betts nor Jacobs thought the mind camp was great & both had issues with it, which has since been addressed for them.

Whilst some players like Sloane felt they got positive things from the camp, Don Pyke was categorical when he said it was a fail when asked by the media on Saturday. It was also mentioned that taking CM to the next level hadn't been a success & hence the club has cut ties.

So the question needs to be asked what checks were put in place before this training camp, given a club like Brisbane didn't allow it when proposed at their club. Ie. Why are we using unqualified people when we should be using qualified people for delicate mind training? I don't have an issue with mental conditioning, but needs to be conducted by specialists.

It's the poor decision making by the football department & lack of checks through to board level which have me very concerned about the management of my club.

Also, if you watch a replay of the presser, you will realise that Burton is completely out of his depth as a senior manager as doesn't have the necessary skill set. This is alarming that he even got appointed as would have failed any proper interview process.

I am pretty sure that I read or heard somewhere that Burton introduced particular aspects of the Creative Mind program without having them ratified by the board. The camp from memory was one in particular that was apparently brought in without the approval of the board.

 

[Smoooothy]

Pretty easy to work out actually


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go on..

 

[jenny61_99]

I can assure you neither Betts nor Jacobs thought the mind camp was great & both had issues with it, which has since been addressed for them.

Whilst some players like Sloane felt they got positive things from the camp, Don Pyke was categorical when he said it was a fail when asked by the media on Saturday. It was also mentioned that taking CM to the next level hadn't been a success & hence the club has cut ties.

So the question needs to be asked what checks were put in place before this training camp, given a club like Brisbane didn't allow it when proposed at their club. Ie. Why are we using unqualified people when we should be using qualified people for delicate mind training? I don't have an issue with mental conditioning, but needs to be conducted by specialists.

It's the poor decision making by the football department & lack of checks through to board level which have me very concerned about the management of my club.

Also, if you watch a replay of the presser, you will realise that Burton is completely out of his depth as a senior manager as doesn't have the necessary skill set. This is alarming that he even got appointed as would have failed any proper interview process.

It’s NOT delicate mind training FFS. You heard Pyke say what they wanted to get out of it. Resilience. Connectedness and Bonding. They weren’t going in to brainwash the fellas. Problem A: They used an aboriginal artefact (talking stick) to pass around the group. This offended an indigenous player (likely Hampton) because he apparently had connections to the artefact. Once they were made aware of his problem, they sought clarification from the Elder and then passed that on to Hampton. This was resolved within 72 hours of the camp. Problem B: No phones allowed. This is standard operating procedure on any training program. The players were allowed to contact loved ones and there were emergency numbers available for any external emergencies. Pyke categorically said Eddie was able to contact Anna. Problem C: Sharing information that made some players feel vulnerable. This type of training is undertaken every fricken day in corporate training programs across the country. It does NOT NEED psychologists to run and facilitate. What it does need is an environment where the participants feel safe and supported. Pyke said there was a lot of support. This is no way lessens the fact that it still made some players feel uncomfortable. Training like this is meant to stretch you, otherwise, why do it in the first place? The Club tried something new, and did not achieve the results they had hoped for. As the AFLPA have looked into the Camp and determined that all issues had been dealt with, just put the bloody thing to bed already.

Burton is another issue completely - and not because of his lack of skills in front of a rabid press corps, rather the disasterous fitness and high performance program. That’s where we should be focusing our energies on.

 

[jenny61_99]

I am pretty sure that I read or heard somewhere that Burton introduced particular aspects of the Creative Mind program without having them ratified by the board. The camp from memory was one in particular that was apparently brought in without the approval of the board.

Do you know this is fact? Or are you just repeating it for the sake of it? Just stop. If Burton introduced it without Board approval (if in fact board approval is required) then he will be dealt with accordingly.

 

[feenix67]

It’s NOT delicate mind training FFS. You heard Pyke say what they wanted to get out of it. Resilience. Connectedness and Bonding. They weren’t going in to brainwash the fellas. Problem A: They used an aboriginal artefact (talking stick) to pass around the group. This offended an indigenous player (likely Hampton) because he apparently had connections to the artefact. Once they were made aware of his problem, they sought clarification from the Elder and then passed that on to Hampton. This was resolved within 72 hours of the camp. Problem B: No phones allowed. This is standard operating procedure on any training program. The players were allowed to contact loved ones and there were emergency numbers available for any external emergencies. Pyke categorically said Eddie was able to contact Anna. Problem C: Sharing information that made some players feel vulnerable. This type of training is undertaken every fricken day in corporate training programs across the country. It does NOT NEED psychologists to run and facilitate. What it does need is an environment where the participants feel safe and supported. Pyke said there was a lot of support. This is no way lessens the fact that it still made some players feel uncomfortable. Training like this is meant to stretch you, otherwise, why do it in the first place? The Club tried something new, and did not achieve the results they had hoped for. As the AFLPA have looked into the Camp and determined that all issues had been dealt with, just put the bloody thing to bed already.

Burton is another issue completely - and not because of his lack of skills in front of a rabid press corps, rather the disasterous fitness and high performance program. That’s where we should be focusing our energies on.

Why did we get rid of them?

 

[Eagleboy2011]

It’s NOT delicate mind training FFS. You heard Pyke say what they wanted to get out of it. Resilience. Connectedness and Bonding. They weren’t going in to brainwash the fellas. Problem A: They used an aboriginal artefact (talking stick) to pass around the group. This offended an indigenous player (likely Hampton) because he apparently had connections to the artefact. Once they were made aware of his problem, they sought clarification from the Elder and then passed that on to Hampton. This was resolved within 72 hours of the camp. Problem B: No phones allowed. This is standard operating procedure on any training program. The players were allowed to contact loved ones and there were emergency numbers available for any external emergencies. Pyke categorically said Eddie was able to contact Anna. Problem C: Sharing information that made some players feel vulnerable. This type of training is undertaken every fricken day in corporate training programs across the country. It does NOT NEED psychologists to run and facilitate. What it does need is an environment where the participants feel safe and supported. Pyke said there was a lot of support. This is no way lessens the fact that it still made some players feel uncomfortable. Training like this is meant to stretch you, otherwise, why do it in the first place? The Club tried something new, and did not achieve the results they had hoped for. As the AFLPA have looked into the Camp and determined that all issues had been dealt with, just put the bloody thing to bed already.

Burton is another issue completely - and not because of his lack of skills in front of a rabid press corps, rather the disasterous fitness and high performance program. That’s where we should be focusing our energies on.

With you Jenny.I would think every club runs or has run a similar camp to the CM model. Does anyone actually believe we are first at this.I hear old footballers talking about endurance or mind camps 20 years ago.
I think we could have handled the PR side much better. The fitness issue is the one needing addressing. Something has to be wrong with high amounts of soft tissue injuries.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Why did we get rid of them?

The publicity was killing our brand and club compared to benefits received in long run.

 

[dude316]

With you Jenny.I would think every club runs or has run a similar camp to the CM model. Does anyone actually believe we are first at this.I hear old footballers talking about endurance or mind camps 20 years ago.
I think we could have handled the PR side much better. The fitness issue is the one needing addressing. Something has to be wrong with high amounts of soft tissue injuries.

Other clubs probably do run similar camps. Only difference is theirs are run competently by people who know what they're doing. We got a team of shysters to run ours.

 

[feenix67]

The publicity was killing our brand and club compared to benefits received in long run.

Nope that's not what the club said. You can't selectively believe them mate

 

[AFC3000]

It’s NOT delicate mind training FFS. You heard Pyke say what they wanted to get out of it. Resilience. Connectedness and Bonding. They weren’t going in to brainwash the fellas. Problem A: They used an aboriginal artefact (talking stick) to pass around the group. This offended an indigenous player (likely Hampton) because he apparently had connections to the artefact. Once they were made aware of his problem, they sought clarification from the Elder and then passed that on to Hampton. This was resolved within 72 hours of the camp. Problem B: No phones allowed. This is standard operating procedure on any training program. The players were allowed to contact loved ones and there were emergency numbers available for any external emergencies. Pyke categorically said Eddie was able to contact Anna. Problem C: Sharing information that made some players feel vulnerable. This type of training is undertaken every fricken day in corporate training programs across the country. It does NOT NEED psychologists to run and facilitate. What it does need is an environment where the participants feel safe and supported. Pyke said there was a lot of support. This is no way lessens the fact that it still made some players feel uncomfortable. Training like this is meant to stretch you, otherwise, why do it in the first place? The Club tried something new, and did not achieve the results they had hoped for. As the AFLPA have looked into the Camp and determined that all issues had been dealt with, just put the bloody thing to bed already.

Burton is another issue completely - and not because of his lack of skills in front of a rabid press corps, rather the disasterous fitness and high performance program. That’s where we should be focusing our energies on.

I think we are spending far too much time worrying about this camp in comparison to the amount of time spent discussing injuries, fitness and our hiring process.

Why? probably because it's easier to come up with elaborate conspiracy theories and whatever else when talking about something we don't know a lot about. We are a couple of news cycles off believing the club literally tried to reprogram their brains without using qualified brain surgeons or something.

I think Lloyd said on Classified that they did some sort of SAS Training or something and were woken up at 3am with shouting and screaming and had to go and do some grueling training or something, it happens, the Richmond song? if it had THAT much of an effect on the players that it traumatized them, imagine if the first time they heard it was on Adelaide Oval back in round 2.

I'm certain there was plenty that wasn't great about the camp and CM in general, I'm also pretty sure it was probably dealt with well before the bye. I'd guess that most stress on the players and the club because of the camp since then has been the ridicule and pressure from the media, this would have probably been a big factor when parting ways with them.

I read an interesting article last week about some research done on online communities, like here, Twitter, Facebook groups etc. and probably applies to the followers of footy media in general as another similar group, basically most people sign up or engage based on a similar trigger (negative or positive), the majority view then dominates and we selectively choose to believe anything that could support that view as fact (Lynch has signed so it HAS to mean Rory Sloane has declared he is leaving - rather than it being a possibility - maybe he is, maybe it does, but we have no idea, but it soon becomes fact), eventually people with a different view leave or just aren't heard and the community reaches a point where we are only filtering in information that supports one way of thinking, we are then more likely to believe introduced conspiracy theories that are completely made up, as long as it supports the majority view.

I think here we tend to amplify the negative, Facebook groups I'm aware of lean the other way. I think the media probably play on this, you get it to the tipping point and you can say anything. The reality is probably always somewhere in the middle, but unfortunately that would probably be pretty boring.

 

[thirtytwo]

PM me with your contacts, I'll ask them if they know you.

Hey mate is Sloane staying or going?
Could you please let me know, apologies if you have done so elsewhere, I just haven’t seen it.

 

[bluebob1]

I think we are spending far too much time worrying about this camp in comparison to the amount of time spent discussing injuries, fitness and our hiring process.

Why? probably because it's easier to come up with elaborate theories conspiracy theories and whatever else when talking about something we don't know a lot about. We are a couple of news cycles off believing the club literally tried to reprogram their brains without using qualified brain surgeons or something.

I think Lloyd said on Classified that they did some sort of SAS Training or something and were woken up at 3am with shouting and screaming and had to go and do some grueling training or something, it happens, the Richmond song? if it had THAT much of an effect on the players that it traumatized them, imagine if the first time they heard it was on Adelaide Oval back in round 2.

I'm certain there was plenty that wasn't great about the camp and CM in general, I'm also pretty sure it was probably dealt with well before the bye. I'd guess that most stress on the players and the club because of the camp since then has been the ridicule and pressure from the media, this would have probably been a big factor when parting ways with them.

I read an interesting article last week about some research done on online communities, like here, Twitter, Facebook groups etc. and probably applies to the followers of footy media in general as another similar group, basically most people sign up or engage based on a similar trigger (negative or positive), the majority view then dominates and we selectively choose to believe anything that could support that view as fact (Lynch has signed so it HAS to mean Rory Sloane has declared he is leaving - rather than it being a possibility - maybe he is, maybe it does, but we have no idea, but it soon becomes fact), eventually people with a different view leave or just aren't heard and the community reaches a point where we are only filtering in information that supports one way of thinking, we are then more likely to believe introduced conspiracy theories that are completely made up, as long as it supports the majority view.

I think here we tend to amplify the negative, Facebook groups I'm aware of lean the other way. I think the media probably play on this, you get it to the tipping point and you can say anything. The reality is probably always somewhere in the middle, but unfortunately that would probably be pretty boring.

The above is why i dont contribute much and just lurk. For example, Clarke and Camporeale (he did an ok job when he coached a few games) are crap assistants according to most on here. I have no idea whether they are good coaches or not as 99% of people on here wouldnt either as they have probably never seen them working with the players but yet the experts on here say that these two are holding us back and should be fired. That may be the case but most on here wouldnt be in a position to comment as they dont have enough information to say one way or another and if i offered the opinion that they could be ok i would be howed down so i wouldnt bother posting it. I do have enough information to say that the fitness dept whoever is actually making the decisions (Hass with Burtons ok presumably) have had more hamstrings than any team i remember so logic tells you they were doing something different that didnt work but i could say what exactly that was as they havent said, although they have said they reviewed and changed it whatever it was.

 

[mistylake]

Also, if you watch a replay of the presser, you will realise that Burton is completely out of his depth as a senior manager as doesn't have the necessary skill set. This is alarming that he even got appointed as would have failed any proper interview process.

That’s the whole point of jobs for the boys. This part isn’t needed.

 

[Godallblighty]

I have very little idea.

At last, something we can all agree on.

 

[Mego Red]

I think we are spending far too much time worrying about this camp in comparison to the amount of time spent discussing injuries, fitness and our hiring process.

Why? probably because it's easier to come up with elaborate theories conspiracy theories and whatever else when talking about something we don't know a lot about. We are a couple of news cycles off believing the club literally tried to reprogram their brains without using qualified brain surgeons or something.

I think Lloyd said on Classified that they did some sort of SAS Training or something and were woken up at 3am with shouting and screaming and had to go and do some grueling training or something, it happens, the Richmond song? if it had THAT much of an effect on the players that it traumatized them, imagine if the first time they heard it was on Adelaide Oval back in round 2.

I'm certain there was plenty that wasn't great about the camp and CM in general, I'm also pretty sure it was probably dealt with well before the bye. I'd guess that most stress on the players and the club because of the camp since then has been the ridicule and pressure from the media, this would have probably been a big factor when parting ways with them.

I read an interesting article last week about some research done on online communities, like here, Twitter, Facebook groups etc. and probably applies to the followers of footy media in general as another similar group, basically most people sign up or engage based on a similar trigger (negative or positive), the majority view then dominates and we selectively choose to believe anything that could support that view as fact (Lynch has signed so it HAS to mean Rory Sloane has declared he is leaving - rather than it being a possibility - maybe he is, maybe it does, but we have no idea, but it soon becomes fact), eventually people with a different view leave or just aren't heard and the community reaches a point where we are only filtering in information that supports one way of thinking, we are then more likely to believe introduced conspiracy theories that are completely made up, as long as it supports the majority view.

I think here we tend to amplify the negative, Facebook groups I'm aware of lean the other way. I think the media probably play on this, you get it to the tipping point and you can say anything. The reality is probably always somewhere in the middle, but unfortunately that would probably be pretty boring.

Let me know when you create a forum - I like your measured style. ;-)

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[Slippery Pete]

I think Lloyd said on Classified that they did some sort of SAS Training or something and were woken up at 3am with shouting and screaming and had to go and do some grueling training or something, it happens, the Richmond song? if it had THAT much of an effect on the players that it traumatized them, imagine if the first time they heard it was on Adelaide Oval back in round 2.

I’m pretty sure the players aren’t having yellow and black nightmares.

The point is, it was stupid, embarrassing, designed by a w***er who knows nothing about football, nothing about sports psychology, and nothing about how to conduct yourself on social media when you’re consulting to a sporting organization with a national profile (Have you unlocked that abomination of an account yet, Amon? No? Too embarrassing? Where are you by the way? Gone quiet? Why? Haven’t your mind training skills helped you through this public relations disaster?)

It’s going to be hard to live down.

Imagine if we beat Port in a GF and we found out their players had Pride Of played to them on a bus in the middle of nowhere. We’d be having a ****ing field day.

Thank God it was Richmond and not someone really hateable.