CROWS TEAM R1 2010 versus R22 2010

[amer]

Perhaps it is because he has played pretty much every game in senior company in defense, and because that is the best way to introduce him into the big leagues.

That is pure opinion and conjecture.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

That is pure opinion and conjecture.

It's also right.

 

[sbenno]

Barring trades/delistings, this is our most experienced line up for next year:-

B: Johncock Rutten Doughty
HB: Goodwin Bock McLeod
C: Symes Vince Mackay
HF: Burton Stevens Knights
F: Hentschel Tippett Porplyzia
1R: Maric Thompson Shirley
INT: Moran Reilly van Berlo Edwards

Not selected - Douglas, Sellar, Otten, Dangerfield, Walker, Griffin, Davis, Sloane, McKernan, Cook.

Reckon this is what we'll go with when all players are available except when there are injuries or if players from the 22 I've named are delisted.

Seriously CS? Otten and Danger are walk up starts, they showed that this year, and NC showed that's what he thought when he brought Danger back into the side after his back trouble. Walker will also (hopefully) be giving the Birdman a red hot run for his money. These are the guys who will come in at the expense of Shirls, Burton, Reilly, Stevens and Symes.

Not to mention that we also have to find games (not 22, but some) for McKernan, Davis, Sloane etc.

I highly doubt NC will select experience for its own sake next year. If you really think this is the side NC would select if he had everyone available, I STRONGLY disagree with you. He will pick our best side, and this is not it.

 

[sbenno]

Perhaps it is because he has played pretty much every game in senior company in defense, and because that is the best way to introduce him into the big leagues.

It's also right.

It's also where he is most likely to have an opening.

Our Forward 50 is so busy now, I would doubt NC would initally try to play Davis as a forward when he can fit him in just as well elsewhere.

He might well join the battle of the swing men, with Hentschel and Stevens. Next year will certainly be very interesting for all 3.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Seriously CS? Otten and Danger are walk up starts, they showed that this year, and NC showed that's what he thought when he brought Danger back into the side after his back trouble. Walker will also (hopefully) be giving the Birdman a red hot run for his money. These are the guys who will come in at the expense of Shirls, Burton, Reilly, Stevens and Symes.

Not to mention that we also have to find games (not 22, but some) for McKernan, Davis, Sloane etc.

I highly doubt NC will select experience for its own sake next year. If you really think this is the side NC would select if he had everyone available, I STRONGLY disagree with you. He will pick our best side, and this is not it.

I hope you're right and we do see the players you have listed in the 22 but I'll believe it when I see it. We assume that players like Burton, Reilly, Stevens, Doughty, Shirley, Symes... will get overtaken by the youngsters but it's always "it'll happen next year." And the year after we are saying the same thing again.

How much SANFL footy have these older guys played? Bugger all, except when they're coming back from long term injuries. Shirley is the only one who actually spent some significant time in the SANFL. The rest have all been first 22 selections whenever available bar a game or two here and there.

What we've seen is that there are only two ways out of the team for an experienced player at Adelaide. First is by injury. And the second is by being delisted. With guys like Torney, Hart, Massie... it has seemed as though NC has to delist them, otherwise he knows he won't be able to resist the temptation of picking them.

It's almost like me saying please move the bowl of potato chips further away from me so that I'll stop eating them. If they're there I can't help myself!

 

[sydney_crow]

Here is the team I would like to see take the park in round 1 next year.

B: Johncock -- Rutten -- Stevens
HB: McLeod -- Bock -- Goodwin
C: Mackay -- Vince -- Otten
HF: Porplyzia -- Tippett -- Knights
F: Hentschel -- Walker -- Douglas

1st: Maric -- Thompson -- Dangerfield
INT: Edwards -- van Berlo -- Doughty -- Moran

Potential changes depending on form/injuries/needs:
Burton/Davis for Hentschel
McKernan/Sellar for Moran
Sloane/Cook for Doughty
Sellar/Davis for Stevens
Symes for Edwards
Petrenko for McLeod/Johncock

 

[amer]

It's also right.

I don't agree. Depends on the footballer in question. You couldn't really say conclusively that it's the best way to introduce him, doubt it would be a bad way, but may not necessarily be the best way either.

The club rates his ability as a forward higher than as a defender, but as others say there is probably more competition for spots in the forward line. If he's going to play in defense it will be part of a swingman role imo - seriously doubt he will just settle in in the back pocket. Will Young might, but probably not Phil.

 

[hendo8888]

FB: Johncock - Rutten - Otten
HB: Davis - Bock - Goodwin
C: MacKay - Van Berlo - Symes
HF: Dangerfield - Stevens - Knights
FF: Porplyzia - Tippett - Walker
R: Maric - Vince - Thompson
I/C: Mcleod - Edwards - Doughty - Moran

Emg: Burton - Reilly - McKernan

Found it hard to fit in some that I wanted.
Would have thought I could find room for Reilly, Burton, Douglas etc.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

FB: Johncock - Rutten - Davis
HB: Symes - Bock - Goodwin
C: MacKay - Van Berlo - Otten
HF: Dangerfield - Tippett- Knights
FF: Porplyzia - Walker - Edwards
R: Maric - Vince - Thompson
I/C: Mcleod - Radar - Doughty - Moran

Emg: Burton - Douglas - McKernan

 

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Barring trades/delistings, this is our most experienced line up for next year:-

B: Johncock Rutten Doughty
HB: Goodwin Bock McLeod
C: Symes Vince Mackay
HF: Burton Stevens Knights
F: Hentschel Tippett Porplyzia
1R: Maric Thompson Shirley
INT: Moran Reilly van Berlo Edwards

Not selected - Douglas, Sellar, Otten, Dangerfield, Walker, Griffin, Davis, Sloane, McKernan, Cook.

Reckon this is what we'll go with when all players are available except when there are injuries or if players from the 22 I've named are delisted.

If that was our side for a majority of next year, despite others tearing it up in the SANFL and if we fell over again in September. IMO would be time for Craig to get the tap on the shoulder.

 

[relapse]

I hope you're right and we do see the players you have listed in the 22 but I'll believe it when I see it. We assume that players like Burton, Reilly, Stevens, Doughty, Shirley, Symes... will get overtaken by the youngsters but it's always "it'll happen next year." And the year after we are saying the same thing again.

How much SANFL footy have these older guys played? Bugger all, except when they're coming back from long term injuries. Shirley is the only one who actually spent some significant time in the SANFL. The rest have all been first 22 selections whenever available bar a game or two here and there.

What we've seen is that there are only two ways out of the team for an experienced player at Adelaide. First is by injury. And the second is by being delisted. With guys like Torney, Hart, Massie... it has seemed as though NC has to delist them, otherwise he knows he won't be able to resist the temptation of picking them.

It's almost like me saying please move the bowl of potato chips further away from me so that I'll stop eating them. If they're there I can't help myself!

I totally agree with you on this post.

The sad thing is that relying on experience year after year has not got us over the line and we then all sit around in the off season saying it wont happen again. Then like a vicious cycle as we get close to September the same thing happens all over again.

I always think it is interesting how a player like Shirley who Craig rushed in for September will be delisted, it's almost like Craig is told sometimes that he needs to move certain players on even though he had previously over-relied on them at the expense of youngsters.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I don't agree. Depends on the footballer in question. You couldn't really say conclusively that it's the best way to introduce him, doubt it would be a bad way, but may not necessarily be the best way either.

The club rates his ability as a forward higher than as a defender, but as others say there is probably more competition for spots in the forward line. If he's going to play in defense it will be part of a swingman role imo - seriously doubt he will just settle in in the back pocket. Will Young might, but probably not Phil.

Well, you can say conclusively that it is easier to play in the backlines. It's easier to stop someone from gaining possession than it is to win the ball against a direct opponent, particularly now that there is safety in numbers in defence too.

It makes perfect sense to blood a key position player as your 3rd tall defender. It's the Wing Defence of football. The number six batting spot.

Guys who can go forward right from their debut game and make an impact are as rare as hen's teeth. And when you get one - jeez, every single club in the competition (except us) would be absolutely falling over themselves with delight.

 

[Permanence]

heres a suggestion. I reckon craigy should do something a little revolutionary and give McLoed and Edwards a week off every 5 or so. Therefore come finals time they would have only played 17 out of a possible 22 matches, and should be well conditioned for the finals.

might sound silly but I reckon it will keep them fresh / limit the chances of them sustaining an injury, and at the same time give the younger guys a crack at afl level whilst still having them in the side to help ease the transition into 2011.

Id rather this setup then them giving us quite patches throughout the season (like bungi did rounds 2 - 15 this year!) or god forbid, seeing one of them dropped due to bad form!

 

[Crow-mo]

That is pure opinion and conjecture.

come now, its been standard practice for decades.

 

[Ferris_rules]

heres a suggestion. I reckon craigy should do something a little revolutionary and give McLoed and Edwards a week off every 5 or so. Therefore come finals time they would have only played 17 out of a possible 22 matches, and should be well conditioned for the finals.

Geelong did it and in the end were successful.

Given the quality and caliber of players in question I would have no problem with a "behind the scenes" rotation policy, the club doesnt have to declare they are resting Macca, just the old knee flared up - one week.

ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB.

 

[whattagun07]

I don't think Davis will be in for round 1, unless we somehow snag the Leon variety.

FB Johncock Rutten Stevens

HB McLeod Bock Goodwin

C Mackay Thompson Otten

HF Dangerfield Burton Knights

FF Porplyzia Tippett Walker

R Maric Vince Edwards

Int van Berlo Doughty Hentschel Moran/Sellar

Emg Reilly Symes Douglas

McKernan Davis Sloane and the other ruck to push for selection early in the season

Unsure over Petrenko

 

[writeoff]

I think a lot of posters here need to realise that Craig doesn't go with the standard 6-6-6 + 4 formation. His is more like 7-6-5 or even 7-4-7. Quite often Stevens, Otten or Hentsschel are used as a loose man in defence. The Crows rarely play a CHF these days although Edwards or Knights may stand in that traditional position at centre bounces. Wings are also positions that get used varyingly in games. Sometimes Mackay & McLeod line up there where as other times no-one will start there. Assuming a full, injury free preseason I wouldn't be surprised if Mackay & Burton were the starting wings for 2010.

Defence:
Johncock - Rutten - Doughty
McLeod - Bock - Otten - Goodwin

In the square:
Maric - Vince - Thompson - Dangerfield
Wings:
Mackay - Burton

Forwards:
Edwards - Knights
Hentschel - Tippett - Porplyzia

Interchange: Moran - van Berlo - Reilly - Stevens
Emergencies: Walker - Symes - (Davis/Sloane/McKernan)

This assumes that Symes & Stevens are still on the list and that Shirley is not.

I believe that Craig will use a rotation policy with the 4 veterans but this will be determined by injuries as it is extremely unlikely all 4 will be fit to play all 22 rounds + finals.

 

[Riggy1]

I think a lot of posters here need to realise that Craig doesn't go with the standard 6-6-6 + 4 formation. His is more like 7-6-5 or even 7-4-7. .

it's actually 6-8-4 or 7-8-3 when down trying to stop a run, and even 8-7-3 when NC really gets desperate

 

[Good Win]

My team for R1

B:Johncock Rutten Davis
HB: McLeod Bock Goodwin
C: MacKay Dangerfield Otten
HF: Knights McKernan Porplyzia
F: Walker Tippett Edwards
R: Moran Thompson Vince
I: VanBerlo Doughty Sloane Reilly
EMG: Burton Stevo/Hent Symes

It's a very young team i know.

Moran to ruck (60% then rests forward) with McKernan (30%) and Tippett (10%) freeing up an extra spot for a midfielder on the bench. Should allow us to run out games even harder. Davis to swing forward when needed.

 

[cammo6556]

which of the kids have actually earnt their spot rather than been brought in due to youth policy etc... i guess the real question is; which of the kids can we realistically expect to earning their spot... I am not privvy to see any SANFL, living across the border and have very little to go on...

 

[SydCrow]

depends on preseason and form in the whatever the preaseason cup is called next year

Johncock Rutten Davis
van Berlo Bock Reilly
Mackay Danger Otten
Knights McKernan Martin
Porps Tippett Walker

Moran Thompson Vince

Maric Sloane Petrenko Henderson

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Johncock - Rutten - Doughty

Mcleod - Davis - Goodwin

Mackay - Thompson - Van Berlo

Knights - Bock - Porplyzia

Burton - Tippett - Edwards

Maric - Vince - Dangerfield

Reilly, Stevens, Otten, Walker/Hentschel

May have missed some player. But from an outside point of view i would like to see Bock played at CHF. A quality player and him and Tippett together could cause real trouble and also relieve Tippett from too many double teams or defensive pressure around 1 player.

I want to see Dangerfield given the best opportunity to play midfield from the get go next year. This means the old blokes miss out on the guts but they have impacts where their placed.

I have Davis playing CHB unsure of his size but iive heard hes tall and played well in the 2's this year as a key back type.

Now i dont have a 2nd ruck, but on the bench you have plenty of versatile height and maybe one will miss out for another midfielder. Otten, Reilly can definitly play midfield roles but.

I have added Davis and Walker/Hentschel to this side.

With 2 tall backs, 2 tall forwards, A ruck and 2/3 talls that have mobility on the bench. I see Tippett playing more into midfield if Bock plays forward allowing Walker to show his stuff as the FF or Hentschel.

Anyways just my thoughts.

Great side and their are some really good sides this year. Im putting my money on WBD and STK to make the GF, but im also writing the crows down in 3rd spot. With Hawks, Geelong and Collingwood next in line with Brisbane.

 

[BigSledge]

depends on preseason and form in the whatever the preaseason cup is called next year

Johncock Rutten Davis
van Berlo Bock Reilly
Mackay Danger Otten
Knights McKernan Martin
Porps Tippett Walker

Moran Thompson Vince

Maric Sloane Petrenko Henderson

This is a joke right? Not only do you have someone who will miss the majority of the year with a knee reco (Martin). You have left out McLeod, Edwards and our All Australian Club Captain Goodwin!

 

[cammo6556]

i get a feeling one of our draftees may push in his first year... crows seem to do sooo much work studying everyone that one is bound to pay off.

 

[SydCrow]

This is a joke right? Not only do you have someone who will miss the majority of the year with a knee reco (Martin). You have left out McLeod, Edwards and our All Australian Club Captain Goodwin!

also no Doughty, Burton, Hentschel, Stevens or Douglas

but it is the round 22 team