Crows turn to Ireland

[Stiffy_18]

Well according to Ch 10, we are looking into a possibility of recruiting from Ireland. Apparently we are looking into what it would cost financially and we would be sending someone over to do some scouting!

Personally, I have said before that we, as one of the richer clubs in the competition should have done this a LONG LONG time ago. Other teams seems to utilise this option while we are generally lagging behind.

This another option for the richer clubs to exploit the draft by recruiting talented kids from Ireland and developing them into AFL footballers. Similar to the the NSW development program here.

I understand there are relocation costs and development costs and all that but its a way of bringing in talented kids via a rookie list.

All I have to say is "About time Adelaide!"

 

[pjcrows]

Token Channel 10 "insight news" story. They did the same thing in Perth for Fremantle last night, just changed the interviews and references to Fremantle.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Token Channel 10 "insight news" story. They did the same thing in Perth for Fremantle last night, just changed the interviews and references to Fremantle.

Might well be the case. However, they interviewed Reidy about it so it might have more substace than just a poke in the dark.

Reidy did say that they will examine whether its financially viable exercise before proceeding.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

How rich are we compared to Collingwood/Sydney?

We are one of the wealthiest clubs along with West Coast & Collingwood.

Sydney would be a fair way behind. I think Freo would be about 4th.

As Stiffy mentioned, we should be using our greater resources to advantage.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Good news. The strike rate for and Irishman to come over here and have a good AFL is pretty good. I think it has got to do with the desire- I mean if you come here from a long long long way away you would want to make a good career out of it. They are freakish athletes as well. 200cm players that run like midfielders are common over there.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Good news. The strike rate for and Irishman to come over here and have a good AFL is pretty good. I think it has got to do with the desire- I mean if you come here from a long long long way away you would want to make a good career out of it. They are freakish athletes as well. 200cm players that run like midfielders are common over there.

Perhaps they can teach Gill to kick the ball too...

 

[ShearMagic9]

Good news.

Some very good players coming out of Ireland, hopefully we can get a few wearing crows guernseys

 

[RoosterLad]

I watched Hurling at the Rosemont in the middle of a pub crawl Saturday night, got on the Killie bandwagon as they had a few supporters there who I thought were Hawk fans. We should sign some of those lads.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Token Channel 10 "insight news" story. They did the same thing in Perth for Fremantle last night, just changed the interviews and references to Fremantle.

Yep ....same story running in melbourne as well ....speaking to irish recruiters ect

As Stiffy said ....we're a mile off the pace with respect to Ireland

With our resources we should have been an early initiator .........instead we're a copier of ideas .....bad form Adelaide what happened to being about innovation and new initiatives

 

[-VC-]

Good news and I'll echo the "about time" sentiments.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Great news and not before time.

 

[Phhht]

People do you really think it is a good idea. I would love to see some stats on the success rate. Over the last 20 years there haven't been that many 'gems' succeed. Sure, Stynes, Kennelly, White are top notch but after that??? even Clarke from the Wobbles, he shows heaps of potential but we just don't know yet. As I said it would be interesting to see some stats on success rate and costs.

Personally I think clubs should concentrate on developing local talent (Australia-wide). Surely the potentila of draftees from NT would be better value-for-money than relocating someone who doesn't even play the game from the other side of the world.

Sure look into it but unless there is some sort of incentive from the AFL (supplementary pick to the list)...... not sure on how effective it would be.

The AFL should be setting up something similar as they do with the scholarship (NSW) for the NT. Do they have the same thing going for QLD as well - much better option IMO.

 

[crowsarethebest]

People do you really think it is a good idea. I would love to see some stats on the success rate. Over the last 20 years there haven't been that many 'gems' succeed. Sure, Stynes, Kennelly, White are top notch but after that??? even Clarke from the Wobbles, he shows heaps of potential but we just don't know yet. As I said it would be interesting to see some stats on success rate and costs.

Personally I think clubs should concentrate on developing local talent (Australia-wide). Surely the potentila of draftees from NT would be better value-for-money than relocating someone who doesn't even play the game from the other side of the world.

Sure look into it but unless there is some sort of incentive from the AFL (supplementary pick to the list)...... not sure on how effective it would be.

The AFL should be setting up something similar as they do with the scholarship (NSW) for the NT. Do they have the same thing going for QLD as well - much better option IMO.

O'Hailpin has been alright for Carlton. His brother is MONSTER. Looks like a Neanderthal/Fletcher (He has an arched back). Would've played for Carlton this year but got an injury and is out for the season or something. Was cutting up VFL. Clarke you mentioned, Colm Begly is showing potential at Brisbane. It is certainly a lot lot easier to teach the Irish how to kick than Nick Gill to kick...

 

[Phhht]

O'Hailpin has been alright for Carlton. His brother is MONSTER. Looks like a Neanderthal/Fletcher (He has an arched back). Would've played for Carlton this year but got an injury and is out for the season or something. Was cutting up VFL. Clarke you mentioned, Colm Begly is showing potential at Brisbane. It is certainly a lot lot easier to teach the Irish how to kick than Nick Gill to kick...

Lol, must admit if you had of used anyone else's name I might have argued.

But really, look at all the Irish lads kicking skills. They certainly ain't no superstars in the kicking department. Good but not great.

Its why you rarely saw Stynes, White (prev) Kennelly, Clarke, Setanta etc kick long distances. They are average at anything over 35m.

Their strength is in their running. They just run all day. But for sheer football ability we should be looking at developing guys locally. I mean at the end of the day I would take the potential of N Krakuer over M Clarke. And he would have come cheaper.

Also if you go to the effort to bring someone out here and they get homesick you potentially get shafted. Using the above guys as an example, if Clarke wanted to return 'home' to Ireland Collingwood get what? probably nuthin. If the Krak heads west we could at least get something for him.

I dont know, I keep hearing (for the last 20 years anyway) how there is going to be an invasion from Ireland. Just hasn't happened. I think over time it will go much the same way as the IR, slowly slip away.

And getting back to Gill, you guys have got to be disappointed with your development team. Surely someone over there (and at the Roosters, the great Fudd is there isnt he? RL?) could have worked on his kicking. It is exactly the same as it was last year. Aren't we at least 1 preseason and 3/4 of a regular season past his initial joining. Shows he might be a good player and your development team (that means NC as well) need to lift their game. My opinion anyway......gets fireproof jacket out....

 

[ThePeckers]

We are one of the wealthiest clubs along with West Coast & Collingwood.

Sydney would be a fair way behind. I think Freo would be about 4th.

As Stiffy mentioned, we should be using our greater resources to advantage.

I'd like to see Adelaide buy some hotels like Collingwood. Maybe a Crows Hotel in the middle of Adelaide as a meeting spot for people to go to if they can't or don't want to go to the game. (Off topic I know but thought it was worth a mention)

 

[CrowMagnum]

They'd have to be superstars to warrant the resources spent in finding them, relocating to Australia and re-developing them to a foreign culture and sport. Someone like Clarke shows promise but there'd have to be a heap of local kids with as much or more talent who just haven't been found or developed, or are lost to other sports. And if even interstaters get homesick how would an 18 year old Irish kid feel.

Even the rich clubs need to use their money wisely, its not a bottomless pit. Buy Australian if equal.

 

[smoovy]

I'd like to see Adelaide buy some hotels like Collingwood. Maybe a Crows Hotel in the middle of Adelaide as a meeting spot for people to go to if they can't or don't want to go to the game. (Off topic I know but thought it was worth a mention)

They wanted to buy the Lakes a few years back.

 

[Blind Fred]

Yep ....same story running in melbourne as well ....speaking to irish recruiters ect

As Stiffy said ....we're a mile off the pace with respect to Ireland

With our resources we should have been an early initiator .........instead we're a copier of ideas .....bad form Adelaide what happened to being about innovation and new initiatives

FFS! A C10 journo copies a rehashes a story from interstate, gets Reid to answer a question with a nothing response about possibly looking into Ireland, and all of a sudden Adelaide are hammered for "copying" other clubs.

 

[Blind Fred]

And getting back to Gill, you guys have got to be disappointed with your development team. Surely someone over there (and at the Roosters, the great Fudd is there isnt he? RL?) could have worked on his kicking. It is exactly the same as it was last year. Aren't we at least 1 preseason and 3/4 of a regular season past his initial joining. Shows he might be a good player and your development team (that means NC as well) need to lift their game. My opinion anyway......gets fireproof jacket out....

Wasn't there some bloke called Warren Tredrea who couldn't kick for his first few seasons?

 

[relapse]

Lol, must admit if you had of used anyone else's name I might have argued.

But really, look at all the Irish lads kicking skills. They certainly ain't no superstars in the kicking department. Good but not great.

Its why you rarely saw Stynes, White (prev) Kennelly, Clarke, Setanta etc kick long distances. They are average at anything over 35m.

Their strength is in their running. They just run all day. But for sheer football ability we should be looking at developing guys locally. I mean at the end of the day I would take the potential of N Krakuer over M Clarke. And he would have come cheaper.

Also if you go to the effort to bring someone out here and they get homesick you potentially get shafted. Using the above guys as an example, if Clarke wanted to return 'home' to Ireland Collingwood get what? probably nuthin. If the Krak heads west we could at least get something for him.

I dont know, I keep hearing (for the last 20 years anyway) how there is going to be an invasion from Ireland. Just hasn't happened. I think over time it will go much the same way as the IR, slowly slip away.

And getting back to Gill, you guys have got to be disappointed with your development team. Surely someone over there (and at the Roosters, the great Fudd is there isnt he? RL?) could have worked on his kicking. It is exactly the same as it was last year. Aren't we at least 1 preseason and 3/4 of a regular season past his initial joining. Shows he might be a good player and your development team (that means NC as well) need to lift their game. My opinion anyway......gets fireproof jacket out....

I think you have a valid point and I raised something similar.

Keep in mind that he got a severe hamstring injury on the first day or pre-season training, but I was disappointed to hear Craig say in the press conference that his kicking isnt upto standard and it is something that they have to work on. It should have been identified and worked on prior to this week.

I hope Adelaide are not leaving too much development to the SANFL clubs and hopefully they just arent only focussing on the main squad.

 

[relapse]

They wanted to buy the Lakes a few years back.

Imagine all the sooking from Alberton if that happened, its bad enough that they having a massive cry about us having our own social facilities.

 

[glengowan]

Absolutely, why wouldn't you look into Irish talent if you have the resources. The money is good for them over here in Australia and our game appears one that they can adapt to. I've only seen Clarke play once, but his kicking for goal was exceptional and Tadgh Kenelley has become a star.

Of course, this would only benefit the club if they continued to source our country for the best available talent at the same time.

 

[NikkiNoo]

I remember a couple of years ago when they were first looking at Ireland seriously that the afl allowed clubs to pick up an 'international' player that was not only supplementry to the list but there was a restriction on when you could delist them, had to keep them on the list for 2 or 3 years. Is this still the case? Anyone know?

 

[Vader]

There was an article on Fox Sports yesterday which seems to have started all this: http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22163582-23211,00.html

Basically, it seems that the relationship between the AFL and the Gaelic Football Association have broken down. As a result, their treaty preventing wholesale raiding by AFL clubs appears doomed.

This means that it will be open slather on Irish recruits. Hence all the "<Insert Club Here> is looking at recruiting from Ireland" stories in the news last night.

A further article, by the same author (Malcolm Conn) has been added today: http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22169438-23211,00.html

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Don't know how the GAA can actually do anything but put the players on a retention scheme or put them on a paying contract. Then they would have to change their name.