D3 Section Ammos 2007

[Champ or Chump]

OK, Ok ...how about we get back onto the games....

West Brunny V The Students - you would think that this would be all students as they are in form and chasing a possible top two spot. But with the West brunny mob trying to avoid the drop I think this could be a bit closer than expected. Will Disco play at CHB on Haysey? Who will take Ludes and stop the recent goal kicking machine? Students just, but if it rains hard an upset could be in the making.

E-wicks V Kew - just a case of which injury smashed team has more players back for mind. I think that the engine room of the E-wicks will give them the edge ( along with a home ground advantage) and see them win by 16 points.

Hawks v OW - this will be an interesting game at the home of the hawk. No Lauletta for them, but this may force an interesting move forward ( as they looked to have done last week against Ivanhoe) and play some talls in front of the sticks - Collins and Ogge could cause some headaches for the OW backmen. Will be some great match ups in the middle and I am predicting that the Hawks may just try and 'test the resolve' of the current Champions out west. Small ground flip of the coin - OW by 4 points.

The House V Ivanhoe - one word - Eddoooooo!!!! will kick a bag and place huge pressure on a struggling Ivanhoe. This is it for these two as they square off for the fourth spot - and I doubt either will leave much in the bank by the end of the day. Will the hoes get some players back? Will the great form of the House continue - at home? In another flip of the coin, I see the house winning by 14 points.

Swinney V the Gryphs - what a huge game!! Swinney to remain in touch for the fourth spot - gryphs to stay up. Wells on Mary will be a highlight, with some good midfield action to boot. Gryphs have the better recent form and even though Swinney play their ground well, I think they will fall short. Gryphs by 11 points.

Good luck to all .............even your mob OMR.

 

[Lucky7]

You cannot be serious lucky7. THe Hawthorn reserves umpire barely paid a freekick to Ivanhoe all day (as usual), only sent off his own Ruckman because he threw about 8 punches (yet I notice his name wasn't up at the tribunal?) & sent Ivanhoe player off 3 times (one for arguing, not even abusive arguing). He turned a blind eye to a punch & elbow that left an Ivanhoe player with a broken nose. He also, just like last time threatened to put the whole team on report, and threatened to suspend one of our seniors players who spoke to him at half time.

Ummm...my count (the technical way with a pen and paper) had Ivanhoe get 4 more free kicks for the game.

Both ruckmen were sent off for throwing punches at each other - not sure where you got 8 from, but I saw 2 from Ivanhoe and one from Hawthorn before they were sent off.

As for the Ivanhoe player being sent off for arguing/language. Isn't that what the yellow card is for.

The broken nose was awarded a freee kick for high contact. I was about 25m from it and the Hawthorn player tried to fend off a tackle with a forearm. It connected high and the free was given. I didn't see any 'elbow or punches' and nor did the other umpire who I was chatting with following the game.

As for player approaching him during the break. Do any of you actually know the rules?? Only the captain can speak to the umpire during a break - remember the Richmond players got fined a couple of years back....

In regards to not reporting players, Ivanhoe #52 was lucky not to be, as was the Hawks ruckman. Given the lack of support he received from the impotent tribunal, are you surprised? Would you want to waste your Tuesday night @ Elsternwick Park?

It's idiots like you that keep fuelling this crap - you won the game, played much better than Hawthorn did and yet you still feel the need to get stuck in to someone

 

[Giggidy Giggidy]

Not my umpire buddy - I don't have any affiliation to Hawthorn. As I have said before, I see a fair few of their games as I live not far from their ground.

Ummm...my count (the technical way with a pen and paper) had Ivanhoe get 4 more free kicks for the game.

Both ruckmen were sent off for throwing punches at each other - not sure where you got 8 from, but I saw 2 from Ivanhoe and one from Hawthorn before they were sent off.

As for the Ivanhoe player being sent off for arguing/language. Isn't that what the yellow card is for.

The broken nose was awarded a freee kick for high contact. I was about 25m from it and the Hawthorn player tried to fend off a tackle with a forearm. It connected high and the free was given. I didn't see any 'elbow or punches' and nor did the other umpire who I was chatting with following the game.

As for player approaching him during the break. Do any of you actually know the rules?? Only the captain can speak to the umpire during a break - remember the Richmond players got fined a couple of years back....

In regards to not reporting players, Ivanhoe #52 was lucky not to be, as was the Hawks ruckman. Given the lack of support he received from the impotent tribunal, are you surprised? Would you want to waste your Tuesday night @ Elsternwick Park?

It's idiots like you that keep fuelling this crap - you won the game, played much better than Hawthorn did and yet you still feel the need to get stuck in to someone

For someone with no affiliation to Hawthorn who just claims to see games due to living not far from the ground, I commend your efforts to travel to an away match, sit through both matches, take down the stats, and include not only the free kick count, but how many were awarded by each individual umpire?!?! Did you also get a pedometer and heart rate reading for each of them?

The guy who kicked 7 out of Hawthorn's 8 goals threw the punch that was ignored, co-incidence? If you only saw YOUR ruckman throw 1 then you must have missed the entire third quarter. Language was not a factor in the other send off, and the Ivanhoe person that spoke to the umpire wasn't playing in that match.

I had previously dismissed rumours about this umpire from various other D3 & D4 clubs, but having witnessed him in action twice now, I 'd have to say they were spot on.

 

[The Punter]

Well I think people are divided into two groups on this issue. Those who think the Hawthorn twos umpire is a cheat, and members of the Hawthorn Amateur Football Club.

In the two games I played this year against Hawthorn their umpire overlooked blatant free kicks, talked back in an inflammatory manner to our players (remember you don't throw petrol on a fire to put it out) and generally officiated the game extremely poorly. While this had no effect on the result of the first game, his invention of a free kick (not inventing what happened but inventing the infringement) cost us the second game.

 

[The Bloods 33]

Ummm...my count (the technical way with a pen and paper) had Ivanhoe get 4 more free kicks for the game.

Both ruckmen were sent off for throwing punches at each other - not sure where you got 8 from, but I saw 2 from Ivanhoe and one from Hawthorn before they were sent off.

As for the Ivanhoe player being sent off for arguing/language. Isn't that what the yellow card is for.

The broken nose was awarded a freee kick for high contact. I was about 25m from it and the Hawthorn player tried to fend off a tackle with a forearm. It connected high and the free was given. I didn't see any 'elbow or punches' and nor did the other umpire who I was chatting with following the game.

As for player approaching him during the break. Do any of you actually know the rules?? Only the captain can speak to the umpire during a break - remember the Richmond players got fined a couple of years back....

In regards to not reporting players, Ivanhoe #52 was lucky not to be, as was the Hawks ruckman. Given the lack of support he received from the impotent tribunal, are you surprised? Would you want to waste your Tuesday night @ Elsternwick Park?

It's idiots like you that keep fuelling this crap - you won the game, played much better than Hawthorn did and yet you still feel the need to get stuck in to someone

I would say that it's clowns like you that perpetuate this crap, not the other way around. How you can sit there and defend a bloke that is blatantly cheating is totally beyond me!
The umpire invented 9 charges in the Elsternwick case and after he was quizzed by the powers that be withdrew almost all of them. Does this not demostrate that he's full of sh*t?
It's hard enough to get blokes to commit to the two's and play every week without them having to put up with cheats and the like.
If this type of attitude is making it hard to recruit umpires of the Hawthorn umpires ilk then I say that's a good thing.

 

[akkadakka]

When one person says that an umpire is terrible you can take them as one-eyed supporters, but when 5 and 6 people from all different clubs all agree that the umpire is indeed terrible, then obviously there is some truth to their claims.

It seems that the one-eyed supporters are now those sticking up for the umpire. Where would you guys be on the ladder without him Lucky? Maybe the reason you stick up for him is that he is leading your B&F, and has won you the majority of your games!

 

[Lucky7]

When one person says that an umpire is terrible you can take them as one-eyed supporters, but when 5 and 6 people from all different clubs all agree that the umpire is indeed terrible, then obviously there is some truth to their claims.

It seems that the one-eyed supporters are now those sticking up for the umpire. Where would you guys be on the ladder without him Lucky? Maybe the reason you stick up for him is that he is leading your B&F, and has won you the majority of your games!

interesting theory, but I've been to at least 3 of their games where he hasn't umpired, but they still won. Any chance of explaining that one?

Oh, and from two of the games, he copped a spray on here.

 

[Red Gum]

Anyone from West Brunswick out there?

I need some clarification on something....

What would you like clarified?

 

[akkadakka]

never said they were a bad twos side, just pointing out that you are alone in thinking that this umpire is not very poor to say the least. I am beginning to think that this umpire is you!

 

[The Tigers Nuts]

The drums are beating, smoke is rising in puffs from hilltops, and runners have arrived panting at the gates of Elsternwick. Tigernuts predicts y'all may not have heard the last of the Ressies Umpire saga, for at least a couple of clubs.

Of course, I could be totally wrong, often am...

 

[King_Cobra]

When one person says that an umpire is terrible you can take them as one-eyed supporters, but when 5 and 6 people from all different clubs all agree that the umpire is indeed terrible, then obviously there is some truth to their claims.

It seems that the one-eyed supporters are now those sticking up for the umpire. Where would you guys be on the ladder without him Lucky? Maybe the reason you stick up for him is that he is leading your B&F, and has won you the majority of your games!

Just clicked on this forum by mistake instead of the D4 thread and without looking back through the posts i would guess the umpire you are talking about is the hawthorn ressie's ump. Let me know if im wrong!!!!!

 

[Lucky7]

never said they were a bad twos side, just pointing out that you are alone in thinking that this umpire is not very poor to say the least. I am beginning to think that this umpire is you!

Afraid not - but wouldn't that be fun. If I could drag myself around an oval again I would love to umpire. Have any of you ever actually done it? I'm sure it's not as easy as you all seem to assume...

I'm not saying he's the best umpire (for the record, I give that to the bloke from North Brunswick - Lucas(?) I think) - just that he doesn't deserve the torrents of abuse heaped out here every day. Could it be that no one else has had a consistent umpire all season - and the fact Hawthorn does stands out?

Point taken about being labelled a supporter - I guess that's what I am, but I've never claimed not to be. I only said I am not a member or otherwise affiliated with them. As for the stats, etc - I had a free weekend and thought I'd take note to see if what you guys are saying is true.

 

[akkadakka]

The good umpires are the ones that dont get talked about on these threads. The ones who dont try and control the game but rather let the game go, award free kicks when necessary and prevent any melees or fights from breaking out. I agree that it is not always this simple but the problem is that some umpires let the power go to their heads and over-umpire the game, awarding far too many free kicks and sending people off at the drop of a hat.

 

[crazybear]

The good umpires are the ones that dont get talked about on these threads. The ones who dont try and control the game but rather let the game go, award free kicks when necessary and prevent any melees or fights from breaking out. I agree that it is not always this simple but the problem is that some umpires let the power go to their heads and over-umpire the game, awarding far too many free kicks and sending people off at the drop of a hat.

Couldn't agree more with you. The 2's umpire should be seen and not heard. Our umpire at Kew is very good but he only stopped playing senior footy last year. He let's the game flow and doesn't over umpire. I haven't had the pleasure of seeing the Hawthorn umpire go about his business but he couldn't be as bad the umpire from South Melbourne who umpired last year.

 

[bigwaz]

The good umpires are the ones that dont get talked about on these threads. The ones who dont try and control the game but rather let the game go, award free kicks when necessary and prevent any melees or fights from breaking out. I agree that it is not always this simple but the problem is that some umpires let the power go to their heads and over-umpire the game, awarding far too many free kicks and sending people off at the drop of a hat.

here here

 

[bromanbomber]

Ok then fellas, why not rate them then.

Best to worst from each club.

Must admit that the Sth Melb umpire was the worst I've ever come across. Definitely won them a few games throughout the years.

 

[Morning Glory]

Ok then fellas, why not rate them then.

Best to worst from each club.

Must admit that the Sth Melb umpire was the worst I've ever come across. Definitely won them a few games throughout the years.

Syndal would have to have the worst I have seen. Seen him 3 times and had a 25/1 freekick ratio.

 

[Copabit]

There was a female umpire in the Swinburne v West Brunswick reserves game on the weekend (west brunswick provided) who I thought umpired quite well.

 

[knackers_2]

Ok then fellas, why not rate them then.

Best to worst from each club.

Must admit that the Sth Melb umpire was the worst I've ever come across. Definitely won them a few games throughout the years.

Don't know about best... South Melb and Hawthorn are equal worst though. Insipid performances from them each and every time I have seen them pick up a whistle.

 

[Morning Glory]

I am actually now involved in the WRFL and anyone can umpire the two's. Have seen a lot less problems than I did in the VAFA. Most of them have just retired and some are still even playing. I also think it needs to be a rule that club umpires can only umpire in their defencesive half. Bad decisions are bad but ones that result in goals really fire players/supporters up.

 

[Lucky7]

It is easy for all of us sitting back here to criticise and hack at volunteer umpires who are enabling teams to play week in week out.

Why don't we declare a truce on the topic and switch the chat here back to what it is meant to be about. I am not trying to be an apologist for poor umpiring, but the more we make it an issue on here, the more it will be an on field issue. As someone said earlier, there is little point pouring petrol on the fire....

How about it then people?

 

[crazybear]

It is easy for all of us sitting back here to criticise and hack at volunteer umpires who are enabling teams to play week in week out.

Why don't we declare a truce on the topic and switch the chat here back to what it is meant to be about. I am not trying to be an apologist for poor umpiring, but the more we make it an issue on here, the more it will be an on field issue. As someone said earlier, there is little point pouring petrol on the fire....

How about it then people?

They aren't all volunteers. Some of them are getting paid. Lucky how much do you get for umpiring? or are you on the pie and soft drink deal?

 

[Red Gum]

There was a female umpire in the Swinburne v West Brunswick reserves game on the weekend (west brunswick provided) who I thought umpired quite well.

That's twice someone has praised her on this forum. I'll have to pass the kind words along.

 

[Champ or Chump]

It is easy for all of us sitting back here to criticise and hack at volunteer umpires who are enabling teams to play week in week out.

Why don't we declare a truce on the topic and switch the chat here back to what it is meant to be about. I am not trying to be an apologist for poor umpiring, but the more we make it an issue on here, the more it will be an on field issue. As someone said earlier, there is little point pouring petrol on the fire....

How about it then people?

Agree with you Lucky 7 - lets move along from this issue - we have no control over it and guess what it ain't gonna change. Footy anyone?

 

[akkadakka]

i agree i think the West Brunswick girl does a great job umpiring. She lets the game go and only blows her whistle when there is an obvious infringement. South Melb and Hawthorn are bouth quite poor, and i reckon the UHS-VU umpire was pretty bad as well. I think the OW two's umpire is quite fair but i am a little bias, what does everyone else think of him?