News Dan Houston traded to Collingwood

[dirty2]

Has he a preference to play for us, or Freo ?


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Melbourne.

 

[Us against the rest]

Bulldogs basically getting pick 17 for Bailey Smith (Macrae and Kennedy cancel each other out, if anything Bulldogs lose on that too) was worse than the Houston trade.

Plenty of people rate Bailey Smith in the top 5 of the 2018 superdraft and he's 23 years old.

Still, sticking your flag in the sand on the Houston trade gives them another reason to defend Hinkley next year.

Houston was supposed to be the diamond in the trade period is what I think he meant, so with that we were supposed to be well rewarded with 2 first round picks.

I'm sure more went on behind closed doors that created some bad blood where Dan couldn't stay imo.

Yeah poor Ken hasn't got the cattle line will pulled again I'm sure, it's understandable after 12 years and 3 lists, he needs more time so they can win a GF for Kenny.

 

[Duck Farmer]

He's not making it up. The person giving him the information is making it up. He's getting played.

It's never anything negative. It's always some positive story about how something good nearly happened, or an excuse about how we had no choice but to do whatever stupid thing we just did, or a kicking of the can down the road and an urging to keep the faith (now that the trade period's done I'm sure Ken is getting sacked any day now!) I don't recall ever seeing a Chewy 'ITK' post designed to leave someone feeling less positive after they read it.

Credit to whoever's behind this, it's a far more effective strategy than a Janus-esque shill. Any poster who comes on here and tells us how great Ken is really is going to get instantly rejected. But "The club wanted to sack Ken before but couldn't for reasons outside our control. But Ken will surely be sacked this time! Oh wait no he wasn't because of some new reason outside our control. But next week he'll definitely be sacked! And also how good is Josh Carr gonna be guys!" is much more subtle but effective messaging.

He has the Janus "continually change the goal posts so I'm always right and defend myself with a wall of text" schtick down pat.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Houston was supposed to be the diamond in the trade period is what I think he meant, so with that we were supposed to be well rewarded with 2 first round picks.

I'm sure more went on behind closed doors that created some bad blood where Dan couldn't stay imo.

Yeah poor Ken hasn't got the cattle line will pulled again I'm sure, it's understandable after 12 years and 3 lists, he needs more time so they can win a GF for Kenny.

The opinions of parasites like Barrett who just push the AFL line, never question the organisation's corrupt practices or their inability to control the increasing power of so-called kingmakers, won't cover stories on high-profile players who publicly disgrace themselves, and won't challenge their golden children aren't worth the paper napkins they're dribbled on to.

But they'll flock like blowflies and huff and puff around the rotting story of some low-level players who were suspended for behaving badly at a player end of year event.

 

[Us against the rest]

The opinions of parasites like Barrett who just push the AFL line, never question the organisation's corrupt practices or their inability to control the increasing power of so-called kingmakers, won't cover stories on high-profile players who publicly disgrace themselves, and won't challenge their golden children aren't worth the paper napkins they're dribbled on to.

But they'll flock like blowflies and huff and puff around the rotting story of some low-level players who were suspended for behaving badly at a player end of year event.

Like everything AFL related atm, rotten and corrupt.

 

[Expat power]

As someone who knows Kozzie personally this is misinformation and not true at all I'm positive you make your 'inside information' up.

Agree

 

[Harlott]

In the end whether Ken has the cattle or not is debatable from the “Ken doesn’t have the cattle“ crowd. What isn’t is he’s had 12 years (going on 13 I’m sure) to have a huge say in that cattle and he hasn’t delivered. Everyone here knows mathematically it’s below average to have 12 years without a GF appearance.
And coming from our background and our motto of existing to win premierships, it’s unacceptable being below average. Koch and co need to be held accountable for this. When’s the AGM?

 

[Duck Farmer]

Ken's shown remarkable dedication to coach for 12 years at a club that's out to deliberately sabotage his career by drafting and trading in spuds he either doesn't want or doesn't have a say in. That's even before you factor in the disadvantage he has compared to every other coach in the league who is actually allowed to kick it for them.

A true saint.

 

[Waspy79]

The opinions of parasites like Barrett who just push the AFL line, never question the organisation's corrupt practices or their inability to control the increasing power of so-called kingmakers, won't cover stories on high-profile players who publicly disgrace themselves, and won't challenge their golden children aren't worth the paper napkins they're dribbled on to.

But they'll flock like blowflies and huff and puff around the rotting story of some low-level players who were suspended for behaving badly at a player end of year event.

Barrett has his biases but he certainly has gone hard at Hawthorn over the racism saga, something the VFL would love to be swept under the rug.

I actually see Barrett as one of the more likely journalists to call out league BS. He often has a special place for the league at the end of his ‘sliding doors’ section but there is still obviously a conflict of interest and a line he won’t cross.

 

[rogerjames]

This looks so wrong.

F*ck you Dan. That's my 2 cents worth.

 

[rogerjames]

I think it's easy for people to get up in arms this year given how GC got fleeced on Rioli and even Freo probably paid overs for Bolton.

In reality, our return for Houston is not far off what clubs got for players of similar quality and age. For instance 13 + 29 is 1865 points which is pretty close to what Geelong ended up paying for Cameron.

Edit: that's not to say I love the deal, just that it's within the bounds of what we realistically could accept

Geelong underpaid for Cameron. Do Geelong ever lose a trade?

 

[rogerjames]

He will 100% reference it as an excuse after a loss….

“Look we are a much more inexperienced team in that part of the ground than we have been in previous years and those decisions, which are club decisions not coaching ones, were made and we need to work through those going forward….”

Sure he will. But he won't be filthy. He likes excuses.

 

[rogerjames]

You guys are going to look very stupid after the super secret board meeting happens next week.

Just waiting for Tredders to finish his caravan trip

The funniest thing during that saga was some people believing Ken was going rogue on radio spruiking for his job.

 

[PowerBaz]

You guys are going to look very stupid after the super secret board meeting happens next week.

Just waiting for Tredders to finish his caravan trip

Are you saying Tredders is actually going to Facebook livestream driving Ken back to Geelong in the caravan?

 

[danman69]

You can choose to believe whatever you want. Port have had expectations due to what he has conveyed through his manager to them that he would request a trade, only to end up staying.

I have much more important things to do in life than actually make shit up on a footy forum

Clearly you are being fed the wrong information or are just making it up and running with things you think make sense. Keep making things up though, the constant back tracking is good entertainment

 

[johnnysix]

Is Dan the 'biggest' player we've lost since Shaun Burgoyne

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Shaun Burgoyne

Age

42

Ht

186cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

8.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.8

5star

MG

162.7

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.6

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

162.7

3star

D

6.2

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.6

4star

? I'm talking about situations where the player has initiated the move. We've done pretty well to loose very few players we've wanted to keep considering the large number of interstate players we have.

 

[Waspy79]

Is Dan the 'biggest' player we've lost since Shaun Burgoyne? I'm talking about situations where the player has initiated the move. We've done pretty well to loose very few players we've wanted to keep considering the large number of interstate players we have.

Dual All Australian with elite leg and good intercept mark. He’s probably a better player than Burgoyne

 

[Waspy79]

Geelong underpaid for Cameron. Do Geelong ever lose a trade?

No but they did lose GAJ (not a trade) but that loss was partly offset by the rigged Motlop compensation. So basically they never lose when a player leaves. It’s quite remarkable for a small town club.

Remember the outrage when they lost Leigh Colbert. In exchange they picked up Cam Mooney and with one of the 3 draft picks (47) landed Corey Enright. Unbelievable.

 

[philthy05]

The offer put to Port by North on Tuesday morning (the day the trade was done) was 13 (traded from the Gold Coast after acquiring 13 for North's future 1st) and a late round sweetener for Houston, and that was a final take it or leave it offer. North were unwilling to go off that because pick 25 was used to acquire Caleb Daniel.

The thought many had were if North were offering their future 1st round pick (a likely top 5 pick) that it would be the most valuable asset in any potential trade for Houston. Rightly or wrongly, I don't ever get the sense that Port ever wanted North's future 1st, and instead would have used it to acquire a pick in the first round of this year's draft instead (hence North's offer of 13 plus a late round sweetener).

I however would suggest that if Houston showed a willingness early in the process to join North, then a deal would have most likely gotten done resulting in a better return.

C4 stated north had their future 1st and goad on the table, which isn’t a late round sweetener.

This goes against what you’re saying here.

 

[Chewy316]

C4 stated north had their future 1st and goad on the table, which isn’t a late round sweetener.

This goes against what you’re saying here.

Read my post again, specifically the first sentence which states the offer on Tuesday morning from North was...

Fwiw I don't think Port was interested in North's future 1st anyway - they wanted picks in this draft and more than likely any hypothetical trade involving North's future 1st (and change) for Houston would have involved that pick getting re-routed to another club for picks in this year's draft.

Clearly you are being fed the wrong information or are just making it up and running with things you think make sense. Keep making things up though, the constant back tracking is good entertainment

Not at all. You can trust your info and I'll trust mine, let's leave it at that.

 

[LittleLika]

F*ck you Dan. That's my 2 cents worth.

And some fans don't want to boo him lol. To say that shit after wearing their Guernsey on top of leaving our club with 3 years remaining....campaigner can get ****ed in my eyes, can't wait for the hyena jackal Ratkins to dance in his spot

 

[philthy05]

Read my post again, specifically the first sentence which states the offer on Tuesday morning from North was...

Fwiw I don't think Port was interested in North's future 1st anyway - they wanted picks in this draft and more than likely any hypothetical trade involving North's future 1st (and change) for Houston would have involved that pick getting re-routed to another club for picks in this year's draft.



Not at all. You can trust your info and I'll trust mine, let's leave it at that.

That doesn’t make sense, are you arguing that north, in their pursuit of Houston took goad off the table and replaced him with a late round pick?

That does not sound likely.


Also, all the messaging seems to be that if we were not going to be in the pies 3way that gcs would have traded pick 13 to north for that future 1st, hence why gcs didn’t trade that 13 until the 3way was sorted despite so many offers.

 

[Chewy316]

That doesn’t make sense, are you arguing that north, in their pursuit of Houston took goad off the table and replaced him with a late round pick?

That does not sound likely.


Also, all the messaging seems to be that if we were not going to be in the pies 3way that gcs would have traded pick 13 to north for that future 1st, hence why gcs didn’t trade that 13 until the 3way was sorted despite so many offers.

I can only speculate on Goad because I was never given an answer about him when I looked into that last week.

But I know with 100% certainty what North's offer on Tuesday morning was, and it was 13 with a late round sweetener.

You're correct on the last paragraph. Gold Coast put a deadline on the 3-way deal on Tuesday morning (gave Port roughly 2 hours to accept the deal as it stood the previous night) and if Port declined the deal they would have shipped 13 to North for their future 1.

That's why in light of this Suns-imposed deadline, Port double backed to North on Tuesday morning which is when North presented them with their final offer of 13 plus the late round sweetener.

 

[Us against the rest]

The trade is done, it is what it is, I'm sure there were circumstances we are not privy too, Dan's now our onfield enemy.

It won't matter what trades we won or lost, while we still have Ken as Coach.

 

[Visenfest]

Bulldogs basically getting pick 17 for Bailey Smith (Macrae and Kennedy cancel each other out, if anything Bulldogs lose on that too) was worse than the Houston trade.

Plenty of people rate Bailey Smith in the top 5 of the 2018 superdraft and he's 23 years old.

Still, sticking your flag in the sand on the Houston trade gives them another reason to defend Hinkley next year.

Would love for clubs to just refuse to trade anyone to Geelong for a few years.