News Dan Houston traded to Collingwood

[PeacefulWarrior]

I'm becoming happier and happier to see the back of this guy. Hopefully whoever we choose with the draft pick we got becomes a good player for us. And who knows, whoever we play at half back next year might actually know how to defend and be willing to put his body on the line for the team.

Logan Evas is certainly putting in a great audition to fill the role.

Could genuinely be anything

 

[Peninsula Boy]

This feels like it's getting towards Janus territory. Using Occam's razor, it seems far more likely that the club is just a bunch of pissweak cucks, and we took over and copped it because CD is trying to get to Collingwood anyway.

If the draft is amazing, why did we trade out our first last year to get duds like soldo and ratagolea?

Our strategy has constantly been to try and fill missing pieces of Kenny's puzzle, ignoring that Kenny doesn't have the mental capabilities for a game for tic tac toe, let alone completing a jigsaw.

Yep, maybe they are just poor when dealing with tough negotiators during trade week.

It is well known that we advocate for players going back when they want so it is much easier for opposition teams to use that as leverage.

IIRC, it happened last year with Essendon and the Zerk deal where wanted a 2nd or something coming back and they said, we ain't got it, here's a 4th, enjoy.

It shows that when we hold all the cards and we were holding a lot of cards that the nice guy way pretty much neutralises any advantage we have and we get smashed in trades, usually by the Big Vic teams.

And I don't really know how Ratkins fits in.

 

[JimmyBC]

He’s a loss but that’s tempered by Logan Evans and Sinn. Logan was a real surprise packet. Looks like an accomplished afl footballer with more improvement to come. Sinn, late in the season, started to live up to Port’s high expectations when we drafted him

The jury will be out on Sinn until he shows some durability there were some positives with actual performance.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The jury will be out on Sinn until he shows some durability there were some positives with actual performance.

Sinn needs to play an entire year injury free in the As

I have no doubt he has the talent, just needs to put some games together

 

[Peninsula Boy]

This year is the year for Josh Sinn to show out.

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

This year is the year for Josh Sinn to show out.

It will be a SINN if he doesn’t come on.

 

[Us against the rest]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

A crystal ball would be better.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I hope that Paul Connors owes us a trading favour.

We are never, ever getting paid back. In fact we're now more likely to eat shit on future deals because Connors knows we'll cave.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

We are never, ever getting paid back. In fact we're now more likely to eat shit on future deals because Connors knows we'll cave.

Here's hoping.

 

[Marmozet]

Knowing our luck he'll have a Shaun Burgoyne

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Shaun Burgoyne

Age

41

Ht

186cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

8.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.8

5star

MG

162.7

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.6

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

162.7

3star

D

6.2

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.6

4star

at Hawthorn like career.

 

[El_Scorcho]

We got unders but ask yourself if you'd pay 2 first rounders for a half back flanker.. I reckon this board would melt if we did.

If they're elite, like Houston, then yes. The point has already been made that although halfback has a pretty low skill floor by AFL position standards, there is a high skill ceiling and the elite halfbacks can be very damaging.

There are plenty of halfbacks over the last decade or so or so who i'd consider to be an absolute bargain at what Collingwood paid for Houston and would have no issue paying 2 first round picks for, especially in the modern era where a "first round pick" ends up being a pick in the low 20s.

Houston, Luke Ryan, Lachie Whitfield, Yeo, Hurn, Heath Shaw, Hodge, Enright.

 

[PJ Power]

We just hope now that Lukosius, Richards and the player we get at pick 29 all have excellent careers with us. I don’t think of pick 13 as part of the Houston trade (although I realise technically it was), because we’ve basically just swapped it with our 2025 1R.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Half back isn't the easiest position to play, did we forget Boak and Burton conceding 6 goals trying to kick from half back vs Sydney?

 

[Us against the rest]

Half back isn't the easiest position to play, did we forget Boak and Burton conceding 6 goals trying to kick from half back vs Sydney?

Boak I can understand but Burton has a much better kick.

 

[Blinky Nyland]

I know I'm stating the obvious but the Houston deal may still be a win for us if we nail the selections we get for picks 13 and 29. Given the quality of players available in that range in this year's draft, I'm more optimistic than disappointed with his loss. Houston's elite kicking is irreplaceable but the spread of talent in our team may be stonger overall with his departure.

 

[Chewy316]

We just hope now that Lukosius, Richards and the player we get at pick 29 all have excellent careers with us. I don’t think of pick 13 as part of the Houston trade (although I realise technically it was), because we’ve basically just swapped it with our 2025 1R.

Substitute Lukosius for 13 and that makes a lot more sense becaus Luko was essentially traded for Port's future 1st.

 

[PJ Power]

Substitute Lukosius for 13 and that makes a lot more sense becaus Luko was essentially traded for Port's future 1st.

Yeah, but I’m not convinced that should have been Lukosius’ value on exposed form, especially as we may finish bottom 10 in 2025.

I’m happy to accept pick 13 in a stronger draft is a nil-all draw with our 2025 1R.

That then leaves us to weigh the value of 29, Lukosius and Richards against Houston’s loss more easily.

 

[crafty_bernardo]

Trade season be like

 

[johnnysix]

We just hope now that Lukosius, Richards and the player we get at pick 29 all have excellent careers with us. I don’t think of pick 13 as part of the Houston trade (although I realise technically it was), because we’ve basically just swapped it with our 2025 1R.

If this years draft is so much better than other years then pick 13 this year would be considered an upgrade and needs to be considered as part of it. We will only know in hindsight.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

How did Collingwood end up with our natural 2nd Rounder?

I would've thought we would've pushed for that pick to stay with us l given the fact we were already getting screwed.

 

[Chewy316]

Yeah, but I’m not convinced that should have been Lukosius’ value on exposed form, especially as we may finish bottom 10 in 2025.

I’m happy to accept pick 13 in a stronger draft is a nil-all draw with our 2025 1R.

That then leaves us to weigh the value of 29, Lukosius and Richards against Houston’s loss more easily.

I had a similar thought process to yourself and got into a fairly heated argument with someone at Port about it.

Supposedly Port rank 5 of the top 8 prospects and 7 of the top 18 as academy or father/son selections.

So if Port finish 10th as a fairly worst case scenario based on past history, that's pick 9 of the draft, which could blow out as far as pick 16, possibly even one or two further back depending on free agency compo which often sees at least one or two of the bottom clubs mysteriously getting band 1 compo.

This draft probably sees pick 13 fall down to 16ish.

I think worst case scenario it's an even split pick 16ish in both drafts, but I really don't suddenly see Port dropping off to the degree of 2021 to 2022 when they started 0-5 and were on the back foot from the get go. And they see the 16th ranked prospect in this draft as a much better prospect than the 16th ranked prospect next year I know that much. They see players 6-20 on their big board this year as having similar talent levels, so they think they're going to get a really, really good prospect using pick 13 if they stick at that pick.

If Port finish around 6th next season, that pick will be close to pick 20. I wouldn't think that is too far from the mark with respect to Lukosius' value. Not to mention there's no way that Gold Coast would have traded 13 for port's future 1st in isolation this past trade period either. Dare I say even North putting up their future 1st as a straight swap for pick 13 shows the kind of value other clubs rate this upcoming draft compared to next year.

 

[Willsy10]

Yeah, but I’m not convinced that should have been Lukosius’ value on exposed form, especially as we may finish bottom 10 in 2025.

I’m happy to accept pick 13 in a stronger draft is a nil-all draw with our 2025 1R.

That then leaves us to weigh the value of 29, Lukosius and Richards against Houston’s loss more easily.

How low do you have us finishing for pick 13 in a strong draft to be a nil all draw with our future first in a poor/heavily compromised draft?


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[Willsy10]

Isn’t the obvious Houston cover Jase Burgoyne? He was bog across half back in our winning final. And then for some reason didn’t play him there in the prelim.

Will Lorenz to wing.


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[tribey]

He was bog across half back in our winning final. And then for some reason didn’t play him there in the prelim.

Haha, yes. Whoever was responsible for that doozy should’ve been left in Sydney.

 

[longdonkey]

Substitute Lukosius for 13 and that makes a lot more sense becaus Luko was essentially traded for Port's future 1st.

If you look at 2023 where he played nearly all the year as a forward he was on a par with loads of forwards who you would need to pay at least a first round pick for. The only reason he could only be worth a 2nd Round pick was due to salary dump not form.

But the salary dump only applies to Geelong. I hate to think what corruption was involved in that Bowes deal.