Confirmed Dan Houston - Joins Collingwood as part of 3-way trade with Port and GC

[Jeremias]

For anyone who missed the prior warning:

Take the Carlton v Collingwood shit fight elsewhere.

Infractions will be handed out.

 

[King_Tredrea]

I don't think there's any realistic scenario where Port ends up with this year's pick 2 in a Houston trade

I have no idea why Port would trade him to North and let them hang on to an asset like that. I mean you are probably right, but it makes no sense to do so.

 

[perplexed]

I have no idea why Port would trade him to North and let them hang on to an asset like that. I mean you are probably right, but it makes no sense to do so.

I'd be happy for us to do it if you chuck enough stuff into the deal. But you don't have much available and are trying to get Richards and Luko as well. The numbers just don't add up.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Irrelevant 11/12 isn’t going to be enough if it’s the centre piece of your deal, we are under no obligation to trade him if the terms don’t get us the value the club wants

That’s my point irrespective of how inconvenient that is for blues fans who want him for a pack of chips

Ask yourself if we wanted one of your AA blokes would pick 12 and some coins from under couch get it done?

But but...a few posts the academy picks were a problem and now they are irrelevant? Hard to keep up.

 

[drcollossimo]

But but...a few posts the academy picks were a problem and now they are irrelevant? Hard to keep up.

It was highlighting the value of the pick, yes its live position is unchanged but regardless its not enough and you know it

It wasn't even the main part of my point which I've since clarified

 

[QPower]

Two picks in the early teens or one high pick with an early second rounder about right.

 

[longdonkey]

Indeed, we'll keep him right up until the moment we need to find a first rounder for Lukosious

If worse comes to worse we can use next years first round pick or maybe an upgraded second with extra mayo on top to get Lukosius. There are ways we can get Lukosius and keep Houston.

The club that needs to get the deal done is Gold Coast so they can pay Andrew and Rioli.

Ideally we should be getting a Bowes type deal but that is reserved for Geelong.

 

[Skull Face]

Irrelevant 11/12 isn’t going to be enough if it’s the centre piece of your deal, we are under no obligation to trade him if the terms don’t get us the value the club wants

That’s my point irrespective of how inconvenient that is for blues fans who want him for a pack of chips

Ask yourself if we wanted one of your AA blokes would pick 12 and some coins from under couch get it done?

You need to remember you can only probably bank on that player for 3 years, early to mid 20s and he is worth more, late twenties depends on where your side is at.

Port are in the window so would rather keep him than gain a draft pick
Carlton would trade 12 for him right now for the same reason.

North on the other hand would be mad to trade away pick 12 for a player thats probably going to be out the gate before their kids take a step together.

 

[pressurepoint]

3 way:

GCS: Recieve Pick 11
Port: Recieves Lukosius
Carlton: Recieves Houston and Rosas Jnr

What extra pieces would even up this trade

 

[Rich01]

3 way:

GCS: Recieve Pick 11
Port: Recieves Lukosius
Carlton: Recieves Houston and Rosas Jnr

What extra pieces would even up this trade

GCS: Pick 11
Port: Lukocious and Carlton’s 2nd rounder.
Carlton: Houston.

 

[manureid]

3 way:

GCS: Recieve Pick 11
Port: Recieves Lukosius
Carlton: Recieves Houston and Rosas Jnr

What extra pieces would even up this trade

We wouldn't want to straight swap Houston for Luko
Carlton making out like bandits, but guessing that's why you like it.

 

[pressurepoint]

We wouldn't want to straight swap Houston for Luko
Carlton making out like bandits, but guessing that's why you like it.

Fair enough. But Port need a pick 11 to get a Lukosius and we have one to give you.

Respect what you say about Houston’s worth, he’s real good.

We coughed up pick 8 for Saad a few years back. 11 is not too far away (but I think I agree steak knives are required).

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Fair enough. But Port need a pick 11 to get a Lukosius and we have one to give you.

Respect what you say about Houston’s worth, he’s real good.

We coughed up pick 8 for Saad a few years back. 11 is not too far away (but I think I agree steak knives are required).

Gold Coast arent going to want 11, they'll prefer future picks. Port F1 is spot on for him

 

[longdonkey]

Fair enough. But Port need a pick 11 to get a Lukosius and we have one to give you.

Respect what you say about Houston’s worth, he’s real good.

We coughed up pick 8 for Saad a few years back. 11 is not too far away (but I think I agree steak knives are required).

No we don't. Lukosius is like Bowes to Geelong they need to get him out to keep them under the cap That Mac Andrew money has to come from somewhere.

 

[longdonkey]

Gold Coast arent going to want 11, they'll prefer future picks. Port F1 is spot on for him

Seeing they are a distressed seller we'd rather the Bowes deal thanks. But what you are saying will be the fall back position particularly if we cannot get the deal we want for Houston and he stays. Another option is a possible upgrade of our second rounder (36) maybe using Soldo

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Seeing they are a distressed seller we'd rather the Bowes deal thanks. But what you are saying will be the fall back position particularly if we cannot get the deal we want for Houston and he stays. Another option is a possible upgrade of our second rounder (36) maybe using Soldo

They seem to have made a point to use the media to emphasise this is not a "get rid of him" situation. Maybe it is and they are hiding it well but I think a top 20 pick next year is pretty fair. I actually think he'll be a good pick-up for you guys though the forwardline would really hum with a Dixon that was 5 years younger.

Regardless, I dont really think any shenanigans are needed between Houston and Luko to pay for one another though Port have had a lot of success in the past conning other teams to pay for their players in a multi team trade so they'll probably keep at it.

 

[Jugada]

Some genuine crackies in here thinking Lukosius and Houston have a similar trade value

 

[THE_GUN]

LOL. The argument started with a poster saying Port should shop Houston for the best deal then give him the option of going to that club or staying. I pointed out that it never happens this way. You have then proceeded to provide examples of it not happening that way, then telling me I am wrong.

You asked has this happened before

I gave you an example

You then proceed to ignore and continue
let it go as its an example that you asked for and got

Simple - Move on

 

[rabidcrow]

3 way:

GCS: Recieve Pick 11
Port: Recieves Lukosius
Carlton: Recieves Houston and Rosas Jnr

What extra pieces would even up this trade

More like Carlton give up F1 and 31 this year
Port give up F1 and Houston
GC give up 12 and Lukosius

Carlton get Houston
Port get Lukosius, pick 12 and 31
GC get Port and Carlton F1


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[Wild Bill]

More like Carlton give up F1 and 31 this year
Port give up F1 and Houston
GC give up 12 and Lukosius

Carlton get Houston
Port get Lukosius, pick 12 and 31
GC get Port and Carlton F1


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2 1st round picks for Luko?

 

[perplexed]

You asked has this happened before

I gave you an example

You then proceed to ignore and continue
let it go as its an example that you asked for and got

Simple - Move on

Happy to move on. I asked for an example. You gave me one that emphasised my point. Well done. I glad this is over now.

 

[perplexed]

11 + 31 or 11 + F2 should be fine for Houston. Because of the teams involved, everyone will carry on like pork chops, but it should be a fairly easy one.

 

[Skull Face]

Fair enough. But Port need a pick 11 to get a Lukosius and we have one to give you.

Respect what you say about Houston’s worth, he’s real good.

We coughed up pick 8 for Saad a few years back. 11 is not too far away (but I think I agree steak knives are required).

Pick 8 for saad was overs and a mistake, Houston would be handy but not a sell the farm worthy pickup particularly if he is entertaining north motivation isn't for success.

 

[Libbaaaa]

He wants to head for Victoria but when push comes to shove he isn't going to nominate North, he'll want to go to a team that is contending in his prime years.

 

[Janus]

1. Carlton want to use an F1 pick on Houston because they want to keep a decent first round pick in this years draft.

2. Gold Coast want an F1 pick for Lukosius because they want draft capital for next year.

3. Port want 2 first round picks for Houston and could sell getting Lukosius as being 'worth a first round pick'.

Am I going crazy, or is this like the easiest trade of all time now that Lukosius has chosen Port as his destination?

Carlton gives up F1 and 31 to Gold Coast and 11 to Port. gets Houston and 12 (rates Houston worth 5-7 assuming Carlton make finals next year).

Gold Coast gives up Lukosius and 12, gets Carlton's F1, 31 and 36 (rates Lukosius worth 16-23 assuming Carlton make finals next year).

Port gives up Houston and 36, gets Lukosius and 11 (rates Houston and being worth 23+Lukosius, which even under the "worst" case scenario of Carlton winning the premiership, makes him worth 8).

Throw some picks around to even it up, but this will be the basis of the trade IMO.

 

[marcmurphy3]

More like Carlton give up F1 and 31 this year
Port give up F1 and Houston
GC give up 12 and Lukosius

Carlton get Houston
Port get Lukosius, pick 12 and 31
GC get Port and Carlton F1


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That's actually quite reasonable. I don't see how Carlton realistically gets 12 for F1 alone so throwing in 31 makes sense.

Port deserves slightly more then 12 alone for Houston and F1 is slight overs for Luko so getting 31 back makes sense for them.

Pick 12 and Luko for Port and Carlton F1 (probably teens picks in a weaker draft) values Luko as about an end of first round pick which is about right.

Every teams supporters will feel they could do a bit better which is a strong indication it's fair.