Draft Watcher Davo-27's 2018 AFL Draft Watch

[Procrastinator35]

As an aside with that, I didn't watch it as that's when I grabbed food today, but assume it was a normal kick? Surely someone could kick longer than 52-odd metres? I know they're kids, but I would have thought with a torp we could see a 65-70m kick or something?

So nothing wrong with Andrews penetration by foot then.

Speed....check.
Agility....Check
Endurance....Check
Kicking....Check.

Sounds like a real over-rated dud to me.....Rookie pick at best.

 

[Bicks]

As an aside with that, I didn't watch it as that's when I grabbed food today, but assume it was a normal kick? Surely someone could kick longer than 52-odd metres? I know they're kids, but I would have thought with a torp we could see a 65-70m kick or something?

Obviously Matty Lloyd never got an invite?

 

[Davo-27]

top 60 *updated

1. Sam Walsh
2. Ben King
3. Izak Rankine
4. Nick Blakey
5. Jack Lukosius
6. Connor Rozee
7. Max King
8. Bailey Smith
9. Tarryn Thomas
10. Xavier Duursma
11. Bailey Williams
12. Jordan Clark
13. Xavier O'Halloran
14. Ned McHenry
15. Bailey Scott
16. Jye Caldwell
17. Ian Hill
18. Jackson Hately
19. Jack Bytel
20. Riley Collier-Dawkins
21. Connor McFadyen
22. Zak Butters
23. Sam Sturt
24. Ely Smith
25. Luke Valente
26. Lachlan Sholl
27. Joe Ayton-Delaney
28. Chayce Jones
29. Tom McKenzie
30. Liam Stocker
31. Jarrod Cameron
32. Laitham Vandermeer
33. Jason Carter
34. Aaron Nietschke
35. Curtis Taylor
36. Rhylee West
37. Fraser Turner
38. Xavier O'Neill
39. Tom Lewis
40. Tom Joyce
41. Thomas Sparrow
42. Oscar Brownless
43. Alastair Richards
44. Jack Ross
45. Jacob Kennerley
46. Jake Gaspar
47. Will Hamill
48. Luke Moore
49. Oscar Chapman
50. Harry Reynolds
51. Daly Andrews
52. Toby Bedford
53. Jacob Koschitzke
54. Dillon O'Reilly
55. Jez McLennen
56. Mathew Walker
57. Mitch Riordan
58. Tom Medhat
59. Kieran Briggs
60. Kyle Reid

 

[Pie 4 Life]

So nothing wrong with Andrews penetration by foot then.

Speed....check.
Agility....Check
Endurance....Check
Kicking....Check.

Sounds like a real over-rated dud to me.....Rookie pick at best.

Andrews is a great kid, but his kicking is definitely not a "check". I don't understand why you've taken it so personally when most of us have said he's not a top 25 pick. You seem to have this one-man crusade happening, where if you asked Daly himself, he wouldn't expect to be a top 25 pick. If you asked him who from the Jets will be first picked, he would say O'Halloran or Butters. No-one is saying he's an "overrated dud", we are just pointing out flaws/improvements needed in his game (like any player) which is why he is not situated in the top 25 picks. No-one is saying he won't get picked up, we are just saying top 25 is too high. What you're saying is he seems to be perfect, which is just bizarre. Yes he's a good athlete, but he needs to work on his kicking.

 

[HedgeFund]

Well as I think HedgeFund has said, date of birth's are available on the TAC Cup website in any TAC Cup record.

Correct. However.....

O. Perez - DOB 3/3/1999
F. Perez - DOB 25/8/2001

Pretty sure Davo-27 nominated Flynn not Oscar as a prospect for next year.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Andrews is a great kid, but his kicking is definitely not a "check". I don't understand why you've taken it so personally when most of us have said he's not a top 25 pick. You seem to have this one-man crusade happening, where if you asked Daly himself, he wouldn't expect to be a top 25 pick. If you asked him who from the Jets will be first picked, he would say O'Halloran or Butters. No-one is saying he's an "overrated dud", we are just pointing out flaws/improvements needed in his game (like any player) which is why he is not situated in the top 25 picks. No-one is saying he won't get picked up, we are just saying top 25 is too high. What you're saying is he seems to be perfect, which is just bizarre. Yes he's a good athlete, but he needs to work on his kicking.

Nice straw man....and by far the most 'bizarre' comment I've read in these parts for a while.

The kid can play, lets just leave it at that.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Correct. However.....

O. Perez - DOB 3/3/1999
F. Perez - DOB 25/8/2001

Pretty sure Davo-27 nominated Flynn not Oscar as a prospect for next year.

He nominated both.

 

[HedgeFund]

He nominated both.

The significantly older twin is ineligible then.

 

[PMBangers]

top 60 *updated

1. Sam Walsh
2. Ben King
3. Izak Rankine
4. Nick Blakey
5. Jack Lukosius
6. Connor Rozee
7. Max King
8. Bailey Smith
9. Tarryn Thomas
10. Xavier Duursma
11. Bailey Williams
12. Jordan Clark
13. Xavier O'Halloran
14. Ned McHenry
15. Bailey Scott
16. Jye Caldwell
17. Ian Hill
18. Jackson Hately
19. Jack Bytel
20. Riley Collier-Dawkins
21. Connor McFadyen
22. Zak Butters
23. Sam Sturt
24. Ely Smith
25. Luke Valente
26. Lachlan Sholl
27. Joe Ayton-Delaney
28. Chayce Jones
29. Tom McKenzie
30. Liam Stocker
31. Jarrod Cameron
32. Laitham Vandermeer
33. Jason Carter
34. Aaron Nietschke
35. Curtis Taylor
36. Rhylee West
37. Fraser Turner
38. Xavier O'Neill
39. Tom Lewis
40. Tom Joyce
41. Thomas Sparrow
42. Oscar Brownless
43. Alastair Richards
44. Jack Ross
45. Jacob Kennerley
46. Jake Gaspar
47. Will Hamill
48. Luke Moore
49. Oscar Chapman
50. Harry Reynolds
51. Daly Andrews
52. Toby Bedford
53. Jacob Koschitzke
54. Dillon O'Reilly
55. Jez McLennen
56. Mathew Walker
57. Mitch Riordan
58. Tom Medhat
59. Kieran Briggs
60. Kyle Reid

Interested in your high rating of Jason Carter, could you explain further?
Like the higher than usual ratings of Duursma, Clark and Scott

 

[Davo-27]

Interested in your high rating of Jason Carter, could you explain further?
Like the higher than usual ratings of Duursma, Clark and Scott

i made notes at the championships on how players were performing and my notes that i have on carter is that he looks really good and he looks like a 2nd rounder, i know he averages 16 poss in the colts in W.A. is that because Freo are telling him to keep a low profile or is he not an accumulator? well i took the gamble on picking him higher than his output suggests, based on his championships and what i saw of him, maybe he will be a quality player that just doesnt rack up the stats, but thats not the worst player to draft.

Duursma, i like that he averages 23 poss, is a goal kicking mid and averages 5 tackles a game, he is a high value mid imo
Clark looks at home in the WAFL, in fact he looks like if he was on an AFL list he would be pushing for selection, he is doing that well at the WAFL level
Scott i just loved how he played at the championships

 

[Davo-27]

when i looked at the stats from the TAC Cup, the one player that surprised me was Lachlan Sholl, i had liked him in the championships and had thought he was ok, but his stats at TAC Cup level are high for a guy playing half back/mid, he is averaging 24 poss a game, 7 marks a game, accurate shot at goal with 4.1 for the season and has one of the highest handball receives in the comp (good run and carry), with over 70% disposal eff which is high for u/18's games (good accuracy).

 

[eDPS]

when i looked at the stats from the TAC Cup, the one player that surprised me was Lachlan Sholl, i had liked him in the championships and had thought he was ok, but his stats at TAC Cup level are high for a guy playing half back/mid, he is averaging 24 poss a game, 7 marks a game, accurate shot at goal with 4.1 for the season and has one of the highest handball receives in the comp, with over 70% disposal eff which is high for u/18's games.

Sholl has never had a problem finding the footy but his speed and lack of contested ability I think will hurt him at the next level, he would need to play on the dangerous small forwards which I don’t think he could do.

 

[HedgeFund]

Sholl has never had a problem finding the footy but his speed and lack of contested ability I think will hurt him at the next level, he would need to play on the dangerous small forwards which I don’t think he could do.

Spent the majority of the Calder season as their preferred playmaker off half back. They looked to get the ball in his hands as often as possible as they lacked depth in this regard.

 

[Davo-27]

Sholl has never had a problem finding the footy but his speed and lack of contested ability I think will hurt him at the next level, he would need to play on the dangerous small forwards which I don’t think he could do.

his negatives are his tackling numbers, contested footy doesnt look all that good either, but i think he has bursts of speed, he moves slowly, but i think thats just because he seems like a very balanced player, but when he needs to get in front of get on a lead he moves pretty quickly, its probably why he seems composed because he doesnt rush poss, but at AFL level he might need to use it quicker against pressure teams.

 

[eDPS]

Spent the majority of the Calder season as their preferred playmaker off half back. They looked to get the ball in his hands as often as possible as they lacked depth in this regard.

He is a great kick and good decision maker so it makes sense, not sure he has enough tricks to be as effective at this role at AFL level.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

his negatives are his tackling numbers, contested footy doesnt look all that good either, but i think he has bursts of speed, he moves slowly, but i think thats just because he seems like a very balanced player, but when he needs to get in front of get on a lead he moves pretty quickly, its probably why he seems composed because he doesnt rush poss, but at AFL level he might need to use it quicker against pressure teams.

The last quarter against Geelong in the Wildcard Round works against him too. Fumbled under pressure, which is a knock along with those you mentioned.

 

[Davo-27]

Dandenong V Oakleigh - a great contest on a sunny saturday afternoon, where Oakleigh had the best of the first quarter off of some brilliance from Collier-Dawkins, but then the second and third were dominated by Dandenong which blew out to a 5 goal lead just before 3/4 time, then Oakleigh threw caution to the wind and wound back a large deficit to be only 1 goal away with only a few minutes left, then Dandenong slowed the game down into stoppages and fought it out until the siren went for Dandenongs first Premiership after being bridesmaids 5 times they finally won one, so grats to Dandenong and Oakleigh for a wonderful and competitive final, as for the best performers, i have Rowell and Hamill as shared B.O.G. but Rowell won the medal for best on ground which raises his already high stocks for the 2019 draft, he had a wonderful 4 quarter game, i think he was in every Oakleigh charge forward or nearly every push, whereas Hamill was in everything at half back and pushing forward to play a role on the wing and with his beautiful kicking, his inside 50's were high quality and he can fight for the contested stuff and tackle as well, Bailey Williams was my 3rd best he was clunking a lot of contested marks and kicked some goals to give Dandenong a target up forward they could trust, he kicked 2-3 goals and dominated his area, Riley Collier-Dawkins had a huge impact in the first half, but fell out of the contest a bit in the last half, but his 2 goals and general quality use of the ball was another indication as to why he will go high in the draft, the 5th best was Jay Robertson from Oakleigh, a player i hadnt noticed until now, he was in a lot of positive plays going forward for Oakleigh, marking, rucking, with clean disposal, he played well, others to have a good Grand Final performance were Jai Taylor, Sam Sturt, Sam Fletcher, Lachlan Young, Jack Ross, Noah Anderson, Dylan Williams, Xavier O'Neill, Toby Bedford, Campbell Hustwaite, Mitch Riordan, Golds, Quaynor, Foot, Stenning


P.S. my man Finlay Bayne had an ordinary day, the siren went as he was kicking a goal and he missed a few opportunities to shine, oh well

so this was my take on the grand final after seeing it live, i watched it again on youtube and i had a slightly different take, i think because i couldnt see that well when the ball was on the other side of the ground i missed a few plays that are more clear on video/youtube.

the key differences was that i under-valued Bowmans game in the final, he did quite well, i just am not a fan of ruckmen in general unless they have elite marking or can be flexible in the positions they can play, another few players i under-rated were Hustwaite, Kelly and even Rowell who was clearly the best on the ground.

anyway after seeing the game more clearly on youtube, i rate it like this Rowell B.O.G. still stand by what i said, but was even more influential in Oakleigh challenging the might of Dandenong than i gave credit for, 2nd best Bailey Williams, for his goals over 40m, his big time marks, his clean handballs to runners going by, Hamill is 3rd best imo, he uses the ball well, spoils, intercepts, runs out of defense, tackles, he just did everything required of a defender and gave me the Blake Hardwick vibe at times, he needs a mullet stat, equal 4th was Jack Ross, Campbell Hustwaite, Lachlan Young and Riley Bowman, all of these guys i have covered why i liked their game in prior posts, except for Bowman, he had an amazing first quarter and continued being decent for the rest of the game, mostly in the ruck, but i liked his performances outside of the ruck taps.

Sam Fletcher worked hard in the coal face, winning contested poss and spreading the ball to runners, good display of inside midfielder at his craft
Mitch Riordan was similar to Fletcher but has a bit more class and bullish-ness about him
Golds also was more impressive on the video, i think it was because a lot of his good play was on the other side of the ground and i missed some of his good work
Anderson was another that lifted intensity when they were making a comeback
Dylan Williams kicking 4 goals, a couple fell into his lap, but it was his 1 on 1 work and general good play that got him noticed

so a little different but similar to my notes on the grand final.

 

[Davo-27]

top 60 *updated

1. Sam Walsh
2. Ben King
3. Izak Rankine
4. Nick Blakey
5. Jack Lukosius
6. Connor Rozee
7. Max King
8. Bailey Smith
9. Tarryn Thomas
10. Xavier Duursma
11. Bailey Williams
12. Jordan Clark
13. Xavier O'Halloran
14. Ned McHenry
15. Bailey Scott
16. Jye Caldwell
17. Ian Hill
18. Jackson Hately
19. Jack Bytel
20. Riley Collier-Dawkins
21. Connor McFadyen
22. Zak Butters
23. Sam Sturt
24. Ely Smith
25. Luke Valente
26. Lachlan Sholl
27. Joe Ayton-Delaney
28. Chayce Jones
29. Tom McKenzie
30. Liam Stocker
31. Jarrod Cameron
32. Laitham Vandermeer
33. Jason Carter
34. Aaron Nietschke
35. Curtis Taylor
36. Rhylee West
37. Fraser Turner
38. Xavier O'Neill
39. Tom Lewis
40. Tom Joyce
41. Thomas Sparrow
42. Oscar Brownless
43. Alastair Richards
44. Jack Ross
45. Jacob Kennerley
46. Jake Gaspar
47. Will Hamill
48. Luke Moore
49. Oscar Chapman
50. Harry Reynolds
51. Daly Andrews
52. Toby Bedford
53. Jacob Koschitzke
54. Dillon O'Reilly
55. Jez McLennen
56. Mathew Walker
57. Mitch Riordan
58. Tom Medhat
59. Kieran Briggs
60. Kyle Reid

10 players that i also like that didnt make my final top 60 are

Angus Hanrahan, Tom Berry, Sam Fletcher, Jacob Atley, Hugo Munn, Zane Barzen, Finlay Bayne, Noah Gown, Nick Murray and Luke Foley

i am still hopeful Finlay Bayne gets a combine invite as i believe he is too good to not get drafted this year, i like him so much i hope Hawthorn pick him up with a late pick in the draft. or as a rookie.

 

[Bicks]

10 players that i also like that didnt make my final top 60 are

Angus Hanrahan, Tom Berry, Sam Fletcher, Jacob Atley, Hugo Munn, Zane Barzen, Finlay Bayne, Noah Gown, Nick Murray and Luke Foley

i am still hopeful Finlay Bayne gets a combine invite as i believe he is too good to not get drafted this year, i like him so much i hope Hawthorn pick him up with a late pick in the draft. or as a rookie.

Having seen a lot of Tom Berry I honestly can't see how you could rate Nietschke and Lewis above him, both lack what he has in spades...speed and agility plus he offers way more outside the contest to the two aforementioned players. I take it you've only seen his Championship games where he went in underdone and was played out of position?

 

[Procrastinator35]

Sholl has never had a problem finding the footy but his speed and lack of contested ability I think will hurt him at the next level, he would need to play on the dangerous small forwards which I don’t think he could do.

Got shown up as badly out of his depth at the Under 18 champs.....Slow reflexes, decision making & fumbles galore.

 

[Davo-27]

Having seen a lot of Tom Berry I honestly can't see how you could rate Nietschke and Lewis above him, both lack what he has in spades...speed and agility plus he offers way more outside the contest to the two aforementioned players. I take it you've only seen his Championship games where he went in underdone and was played out of position?

yes i saw him in defence for Vic Country and he was not playing competitive football, when you get on the park you should be good to go, too often people use excuses for poor performance, what i saw wasnt someone injured or under-done, what i saw was errors and an inability to deal with pressure, he has a big reputation and has the physique so maybe there is something ive missed, so ive named him in the almost top 60 group, thats as far as im willing to go. Lewis far out-performed him on the big stage which is Championship football and Nietschke is performing at SANFL and SANFL reserves level, he also caught my eye as potential at the Championships and with his SANFL performances has a lot more going for him going into the draft than Berry who has performed poorly at the Championships in a defensive role and who missed the finals through injury?

 

[eDPS]

yes i saw him in defence for Vic Country and he was not playing competitive football, when you get on the park you should be good to go, too often people use excuses for poor performance, what i saw wasnt someone injured or under-done, what i saw was errors and an inability to deal with pressure, he has a big reputation and has the physique so maybe there is something ive missed, so ive named him in the almost top 60 group, thats as far as im willing to go. Lewis far out-performed him on the big stage which is Championship football and Nietschke is performing at SANFL and SANFL reserves level, he also caught my eye as potential at the Championships and with his SANFL performances has a lot more going for him going into the draft than Berry who has performed poorly at the Championships in a defensive role and who missed the finals through injury?

That’s the point he is making, you only saw the champs where he was played out of position. Most natural midfielders/forwards don’t perform well as defenders and their is a reason for that.

Also your justified for your ratings since you can only rate players how you see them and you haven’t seen him play in his natural position.

 

[Procrastinator35]

10 players that i also like that didnt make my final top 60 are

Angus Hanrahan, Tom Berry, Sam Fletcher, Jacob Atley, Hugo Munn, Zane Barzen, Finlay Bayne, Noah Gown, Nick Murray and Luke Foley

i am still hopeful Finlay Bayne gets a combine invite as i believe he is too good to not get drafted this year, i like him so much i hope Hawthorn pick him up with a late pick in the draft. or as a rookie.

Where did Finlay Bayne play in 2018?....Can honestly say I've never seen the name mentioned prior.

 

[Davo-27]

Where did Finlay Bayne play in 2018?....Can honestly say I've never seen the name mentioned prior.

Dandenong Stingrays, as a small forward/mid, he is a better midfielder than forward, i see him as a goal kicking midfielder who uses the ball cleverly, his little handballs and kicks remind me of what Jack Ross from Oakleigh does, but he is a smaller player at 177cm i think his height is being held against him a bit, but he's a talent and i hope he gets a combine invite to get on clubs radar. (averages 17.7 disposals, a goal a game 14.6, from what ive seen he uses the ball intelligently, his disposals find a free runner or hit a target, also accurate kick at goal, could have higher disposal count if he played more midfield, doesnt tackle very often or get free for a mark, usually plays in the centre bounces and pressure situations so dont expect him to get easy marks, but the tackling is his only weakness i think and his height(although 177cm isnt too bad), but otherwise he can play both as forward or mid to a good standard.

out of the Stingrays i rate in order:

Bailey Williams 10-30
Sam Sturt 20-40
Will Hamill 40-60
Toby Bedford 50-late
Mitch Riordan 30-late
Finlay Bayne 40-late (no combine invite)
Lachlan Young late to rookie
Sam Fletcher 40 to rookie
Campbell Hustwaite late to rookie (no combine invite)
Jai Taylor 50 to rookie

rookies? (unsure if they will get drafted, but may get a rookie spot)
Zac Foot
Matt Gahan
Riley Bowman
Lachlan McDonnell

unlikely to get drafted, but might play at VFL level (also the 2 without combine invites if they dont get tested are likely not to get drafted too)
Jamie Plumridge
Jake Frawley

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

no Stack.... Davo...pretty sure he will go by 40